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"NY" wrote in message o.uk... "Truebrit" wrote in message ... Turning left/right (delete as applicable) is probably a good one. What do pedestrian lights show during this time? Green/walk? It needs pedestrians to be aware that cars will turn, even if they (cars) *should* give way to them. When the pedestrian green man goes out there is about 20-30 seconds before the traffic lights start to change from red to green. So no excuse for a pedestrian to still be crossing. |
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On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 22:21:11 +0100, "Thumper"
wrote: "NY" wrote in message news:MaqdnRWi9KZ0FGTMnZ2dnUVZ8l2dnZ2d@brightview. co.uk... "Truebrit" wrote in message ... Turning left/right (delete as applicable) is probably a good one. What do pedestrian lights show during this time? Green/walk? It needs pedestrians to be aware that cars will turn, even if they (cars) *should* give way to them. When the pedestrian green man goes out there is about 20-30 seconds before the traffic lights start to change from red to green. So no excuse for a pedestrian to still be crossing. Is there any legal requirement for pedestrians to wait while the red symbol is showing? Or do pedestrians have an unrestricted right to cross the highway (other than motorways and other restricted use highways)? |
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On 01/08/2013 22:41, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 22:21:11 +0100, "Thumper" wrote: "NY" wrote in message o.uk... "Truebrit" wrote in message ... Turning left/right (delete as applicable) is probably a good one. What do pedestrian lights show during this time? Green/walk? It needs pedestrians to be aware that cars will turn, even if they (cars) *should* give way to them. When the pedestrian green man goes out there is about 20-30 seconds before the traffic lights start to change from red to green. So no excuse for a pedestrian to still be crossing. Is there any legal requirement for pedestrians to wait while the red symbol is showing? Or do pedestrians have an unrestricted right to cross the highway (other than motorways and other restricted use highways)? It isn't an offence to cross against red, if that's what you mean. But that is far from being an "unfettered" right to walk out across the carriageway into the path of approaching traffic. If a pedestrian is injured or worse as a result of doing so, he may find that he can obtain no compensation because he is the only on who has been negligent. Indeed, he may find that he is liable to reimburse the losses of others (eg for damage to a vehicle) because he (the pedestrian) is the party who has been negligent. |
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"JNugent" wrote in message ... On 01/08/2013 22:41, Bertie Wooster wrote: On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 22:21:11 +0100, "Thumper" wrote: "NY" wrote in message o.uk... "Truebrit" wrote in message ... Turning left/right (delete as applicable) is probably a good one. What do pedestrian lights show during this time? Green/walk? It needs pedestrians to be aware that cars will turn, even if they (cars) *should* give way to them. When the pedestrian green man goes out there is about 20-30 seconds before the traffic lights start to change from red to green. So no excuse for a pedestrian to still be crossing. Is there any legal requirement for pedestrians to wait while the red symbol is showing? Or do pedestrians have an unrestricted right to cross the highway (other than motorways and other restricted use highways)? It isn't an offence to cross against red, if that's what you mean. But that is far from being an "unfettered" right to walk out across the carriageway into the path of approaching traffic. If a pedestrian is injured or worse as a result of doing so, he may find that he can obtain no compensation because he is the only on who has been negligent. ITYF that the car driver is still expected to anticipate such hazards tim |
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"Truebrit" wrote in message ... NY" wrote in message Turning left/right (delete as applicable) is probably a good one. What do pedestrian lights show during this time? Green/walk? It needs pedestrians to be aware that cars will turn, even if they (cars) *should* give way to them. "Thumper" wrote: When the pedestrian green man goes out there is about 20-30 seconds before the traffic lights start to change from red to green. So no excuse for a pedestrian to still be crossing. "Bertie Wooster" wrote: Is there any legal requirement for pedestrians to wait while the red symbol is showing? Or do pedestrians have an unrestricted right to cross the highway (other than motorways and other restricted use highways)? Do you not have jaywalking laws? We have them here and for the most part they are quite vigorously enforced. Truebrit. Where is here? Does you name refer to your location or your birthplace (perhaps)? IME whilst ignoring a red man does constitute jaywalking in the UK, your chances of being "ticketed" for it are somewhat less than negligible. OTHO in the US and Germany it is quite possible. tim |
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"Phil W Lee" wrote in message news "Truebrit" considered Mon, 29 Jul 2013 18:04:00 -0400 the perfect time to write: NY" wrote in message Turning left/right (delete as applicable) is probably a good one. What do pedestrian lights show during this time? Green/walk? It needs pedestrians to be aware that cars will turn, even if they (cars) *should* give way to them. "Thumper" wrote: When the pedestrian green man goes out there is about 20-30 seconds before the traffic lights start to change from red to green. So no excuse for a pedestrian to still be crossing. "Bertie Wooster" wrote: Is there any legal requirement for pedestrians to wait while the red symbol is showing? Or do pedestrians have an unrestricted right to cross the highway (other than motorways and other restricted use highways)? Do you not have jaywalking laws? We have them here and for the most part they are quite vigorously enforced. Truebrit. No such thing as "jaywalking". It's term invented by american petrolheads to disparage non-motorised users of the roads. Pedestrians have a right of way on all public highways. having a right of way does not mean that you have "priority" access tim |
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On 02/08/2013 06:38, tim..... wrote:
"JNugent" wrote in message ... On 01/08/2013 22:41, Bertie Wooster wrote: On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 22:21:11 +0100, "Thumper" wrote: "NY" wrote in message o.uk... "Truebrit" wrote in message ... Turning left/right (delete as applicable) is probably a good one. What do pedestrian lights show during this time? Green/walk? It needs pedestrians to be aware that cars will turn, even if they (cars) *should* give way to them. When the pedestrian green man goes out there is about 20-30 seconds before the traffic lights start to change from red to green. So no excuse for a pedestrian to still be crossing. Is there any legal requirement for pedestrians to wait while the red symbol is showing? Or do pedestrians have an unrestricted right to cross the highway (other than motorways and other restricted use highways)? It isn't an offence to cross against red, if that's what you mean. But that is far from being an "unfettered" right to walk out across the carriageway into the path of approaching traffic. If a pedestrian is injured or worse as a result of doing so, he may find that he can obtain no compensation because he is the only on who has been negligent. ITYF that the car driver is still expected to anticipate such hazards I will *not* "find" that, for the simple and obvious reason that it is not true. You are mistaking the general duty to react in amelioration (where possible) of other peoples' bad behaviour as a duty to ensure or guarantee that the bad behaviour cannot have any negative effects on the person behaving badly. That people may act negligently does not oblige others to act as if the negligence is permanently under way. Everyone has a right to expect everyone else to obey the rules insofar as they might impinge on one's own rights. |
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In message , tim.....
writes "Phil W Lee" wrote in message news "Truebrit" considered Mon, 29 Jul 2013 18:04:00 -0400 the perfect time to write: NY" wrote in message Turning left/right (delete as applicable) is probably a good one. What do pedestrian lights show during this time? Green/walk? It needs pedestrians to be aware that cars will turn, even if they (cars) *should* give way to them. "Thumper" wrote: When the pedestrian green man goes out there is about 20-30 seconds before the traffic lights start to change from red to green. So no excuse for a pedestrian to still be crossing. "Bertie Wooster" wrote: Is there any legal requirement for pedestrians to wait while the red symbol is showing? Or do pedestrians have an unrestricted right to cross the highway (other than motorways and other restricted use highways)? Do you not have jaywalking laws? We have them here and for the most part they are quite vigorously enforced. Truebrit. No such thing as "jaywalking". It's term invented by american petrolheads to disparage non-motorised users of the roads. Pedestrians have a right of way on all public highways. having a right of way does not mean that you have "priority" access In the UK, no one has "right of way" on the roads - and "priority" does not mean you can assert your priority if you know that, by doing so, you will cause an 'accident' or other road-traffic incident. -- Ian |
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On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 07:50:58 +0100, JNugent
wrote: ITYF that the car driver is still expected to anticipate such hazards I will *not* "find" that, for the simple and obvious reason that it is not true. You are mistaking the general duty to react in amelioration (where possible) of other peoples' bad behaviour as a duty to ensure or guarantee that the bad behaviour cannot have any negative effects on the person behaving badly. That people may act negligently does not oblige others to act as if the negligence is permanently under way. Everyone has a right to expect everyone else to obey the rules insofar as they might impinge on one's own rights. If that is the case, what do you make of the cyclist who, as described in another thread, mowed down a young child on a pedestrian crossing. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-23492094 From what you appear to be saying, so long as the lights on the pedestrian crossing were green for the cyclist, and the cyclist wasn't engaged in wanton or furious cycling, no offence occurred (section 170 of the 1988 road traffic act does not apply to cyclists). |
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