Is it any wonder that cyclists get killed?

"MPs urge foreign lorry crackdown

Safety standards of foreign-registered vehicles are of particular
concern

MPs have called for the agency in charge of safety-testing lorries and
buses to be given extra powers to get unsafe foreign vehicles off the
road.

The Commons Transport Committee said non-compliance among foreign-
registered vehicles was unacceptably high.

Almost half of overseas vehicles were found to be un-roadworthy or in
need of work, compared with 38% of UK vehicles..."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8216905.stm

So, loads of lorries are un-roadworthy then but when they kill
cyclists the cyclists are blamed? What is the point of safety training
cyclists instead of safety training lorry drivers? Let me guess, lower
cost?

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www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.

Doug wrote:
"MPs urge foreign lorry crackdown

Safety standards of foreign-registered vehicles are of particular
concern

MPs have called for the agency in charge of safety-testing lorries and
buses to be given extra powers to get unsafe foreign vehicles off the
road.

The Commons Transport Committee said non-compliance among foreign-
registered vehicles was unacceptably high.

Almost half of overseas vehicles were found to be un-roadworthy or in
need of work, compared with 38% of UK vehicles..."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8216905.stm

So, loads of lorries are un-roadworthy then but when they kill
cyclists the cyclists are blamed? What is the point of safety training
cyclists instead of safety training lorry drivers? Let me guess, lower
cost?

Yet another example of Doug's twisted mind.

Doug wrote:
"MPs urge foreign lorry crackdown

Safety standards of foreign-registered vehicles are of particular
concern

MPs have called for the agency in charge of safety-testing lorries and
buses to be given extra powers to get unsafe foreign vehicles off the
road.

The Commons Transport Committee said non-compliance among foreign-
registered vehicles was unacceptably high.

Almost half of overseas vehicles were found to be un-roadworthy or in
need of work, compared with 38% of UK vehicles..."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8216905.stm

So, loads of lorries are un-roadworthy then but when they kill
cyclists the cyclists are blamed? What is the point of safety training
cyclists instead of safety training lorry drivers? Let me guess, lower
cost?

Calm down.

The typical incident of collision between a cyclist and a larger lorry occurs
in very specific traffic circumstances and is almost certainly not caused or
exacerbated by any state of legal roadworthiness of either vehicle.

On 24 Aug, 10:19, JNugent wrote:
Doug wrote:
"MPs urge foreign lorry crackdown

Safety standards of foreign-registered vehicles are of particular
concern

MPs have called for the agency in charge of safety-testing lorries and
buses to be given extra powers to get unsafe foreign vehicles off the
road.

The Commons Transport Committee said non-compliance among foreign-
registered vehicles was unacceptably high.

Almost half of overseas vehicles were found to be un-roadworthy or in
need of work, compared with 38% of UK vehicles..."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8216905.stm

So, loads of lorries are un-roadworthy then but when they kill
cyclists the cyclists are blamed? What is the point of safety training
cyclists instead of safety training lorry drivers? Let me guess, lower
cost?

Calm down.

The typical incident of collision between a cyclist and a larger lorry occurs
in very specific traffic circumstances and is almost certainly not caused or
exacerbated by any state of legal roadworthiness of either vehicle.

What about visibility and suitable rear view mirrors? What about a
lack of side frames on the lorry to prevent cyclists being dragged
under the wheels? What about foreign rivers seated on the left instead
of the right of the cab? What about overtaking cyclists and then
cutting them up on left turns where there are pedestrian barriers
against which cyclists can be crushed? Or maybe road planners/
engineers should also attend safety courses along with lorry drivers?

--
UK Radical Campaigns
www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.

Doug wrote:
On 24 Aug, 10:19, JNugent wrote:
Doug wrote:
"MPs urge foreign lorry crackdown

Safety standards of foreign-registered vehicles are of particular
concern

MPs have called for the agency in charge of safety-testing lorries
and buses to be given extra powers to get unsafe foreign vehicles
off the road.

The Commons Transport Committee said non-compliance among foreign-
registered vehicles was unacceptably high.

Almost half of overseas vehicles were found to be un-roadworthy or
in need of work, compared with 38% of UK vehicles..."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8216905.stm

So, loads of lorries are un-roadworthy then but when they kill
cyclists the cyclists are blamed? What is the point of safety
training cyclists instead of safety training lorry drivers? Let me
guess, lower cost?

Calm down.

The typical incident of collision between a cyclist and a larger
lorry occurs in very specific traffic circumstances and is almost
certainly not caused or exacerbated by any state of legal
roadworthiness of either vehicle.

What about visibility and suitable rear view mirrors? What about a
lack of side frames on the lorry to prevent cyclists being dragged
under the wheels? What about foreign rivers seated on the left instead
of the right of the cab? What about overtaking cyclists and then
cutting them up on left turns where there are pedestrian barriers
against which cyclists can be crushed? Or maybe road planners/
engineers should also attend safety courses along with lorry drivers?

It's noticable Doug that you haven't put the most obvious item into that
list. What about cyclists taking responsibility for their own safety?

Doug wrote:

JNugent wrote:
Doug wrote:

"MPs urge foreign lorry crackdown
Safety standards of foreign-registered vehicles are of particular
concern
MPs have called for the agency in charge of safety-testing lorries and
buses to be given extra powers to get unsafe foreign vehicles off the
road.
The Commons Transport Committee said non-compliance among foreign-
registered vehicles was unacceptably high.
Almost half of overseas vehicles were found to be un-roadworthy or in
need of work, compared with 38% of UK vehicles..."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8216905.stm

So, loads of lorries are un-roadworthy then but when they kill
cyclists the cyclists are blamed? What is the point of safety training
cyclists instead of safety training lorry drivers? Let me guess, lower
cost?

Calm down.
The typical incident of collision between a cyclist and a larger lorry occurs
in very specific traffic circumstances and is almost certainly not caused or
exacerbated by any state of legal roadworthiness of either vehicle.

What about visibility and suitable rear view mirrors?

Unless that happens to be the fault cited, it's not relevant. TBH, though,
there is a school of thought which holds that other road users (and I don't
only mean cyclists) do best to assume automatically that a lorry driver can't
see them.

What about a lack of side frames on the lorry to prevent cyclists being dragged
under the wheels?

If they are a legal requirement, they'll be fitted. Such things don't just
disappear somewhere along the road. If they're not a legal requirement ?,
then their lack does not count as unroadworthiness. You can't have it both ways.

What about foreign rivers seated on the left instead
of the right of the cab?

That's not a legal requirement and a LHD vehicle is not unroadworthy simply
because of that characteristic.

What about overtaking cyclists and then
cutting them up on left turns where there are pedestrian barriers
against which cyclists can be crushed? Or maybe road planners/
engineers should also attend safety courses along with lorry drivers?

Do you know what "roadworthy" and its converse, "unroadworthy", mean?

They're applied to vehicles, not to the actions of drivers.

Or even rivers.

"Doug" wrote in message
...
"MPs urge foreign lorry crackdown

Safety standards of foreign-registered vehicles are of particular
concern

MPs have called for the agency in charge of safety-testing lorries and
buses to be given extra powers to get unsafe foreign vehicles off the
road.

The Commons Transport Committee said non-compliance among foreign-
registered vehicles was unacceptably high.

Almost half of overseas vehicles were found to be un-roadworthy or in
need of work, compared with 38% of UK vehicles..."

You will all, of course, have noted Doug's deliberate editing of the story
to make the facts incorrect and try to make a point. The stats , i.e. about
half of foreign vehicles and 37.5% of UK vehicles, were OF THOSE STOPPED AND
TESTED, not, as Doug's editing would like to suggest, of all vehicles.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8216905.stm

So, loads of lorries are un-roadworthy then but when they kill
cyclists the cyclists are blamed? What is the point of safety training
cyclists instead of safety training lorry drivers? Let me guess, lower
cost?

--
UK Radical Campaigns
www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.

On 24 Aug, 12:36, "Brimstone" wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 24 Aug, 10:19, JNugent wrote:
Doug wrote:
"MPs urge foreign lorry crackdown

Safety standards of foreign-registered vehicles are of particular
concern

MPs have called for the agency in charge of safety-testing lorries
and buses to be given extra powers to get unsafe foreign vehicles
off the road.

The Commons Transport Committee said non-compliance among foreign-
registered vehicles was unacceptably high.

Almost half of overseas vehicles were found to be un-roadworthy or
in need of work, compared with 38% of UK vehicles..."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8216905.stm

So, loads of lorries are un-roadworthy then but when they kill
cyclists the cyclists are blamed? What is the point of safety
training cyclists instead of safety training lorry drivers? Let me
guess, lower cost?

Calm down.

The typical incident of collision between a cyclist and a larger
lorry occurs in very specific traffic circumstances and is almost
certainly not caused or exacerbated by any state of legal
roadworthiness of either vehicle.

What about visibility and suitable rear view mirrors? What about a
lack of side frames on the lorry to prevent cyclists being dragged
under the wheels? What about foreign rivers seated on the left instead
of the right of the cab? What about overtaking cyclists and then
cutting them up on left turns where there are pedestrian barriers
against which cyclists can be crushed? Or maybe road planners/
engineers should also attend safety courses along with lorry drivers?

It's noticable Doug that you haven't put the most obvious item into that
list. What about cyclists taking responsibility for their own safety?

Don't you mean cyclists being made to take responsibility for the
actions of dangerous drivers?

--
UK Radical Campaigns
www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.

Doug wrote:
On 24 Aug, 12:36, "Brimstone" wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 24 Aug, 10:19, JNugent wrote:
Doug wrote:
"MPs urge foreign lorry crackdown

Safety standards of foreign-registered vehicles are of particular
concern

MPs have called for the agency in charge of safety-testing lorries
and buses to be given extra powers to get unsafe foreign vehicles
off the road.

The Commons Transport Committee said non-compliance among foreign-
registered vehicles was unacceptably high.

Almost half of overseas vehicles were found to be un-roadworthy or
in need of work, compared with 38% of UK vehicles..."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8216905.stm

So, loads of lorries are un-roadworthy then but when they kill
cyclists the cyclists are blamed? What is the point of safety
training cyclists instead of safety training lorry drivers? Let me
guess, lower cost?

Calm down.

The typical incident of collision between a cyclist and a larger
lorry occurs in very specific traffic circumstances and is almost
certainly not caused or exacerbated by any state of legal
roadworthiness of either vehicle.

What about visibility and suitable rear view mirrors? What about a
lack of side frames on the lorry to prevent cyclists being dragged
under the wheels? What about foreign rivers seated on the left
instead of the right of the cab? What about overtaking cyclists and
then cutting them up on left turns where there are pedestrian
barriers against which cyclists can be crushed? Or maybe road
planners/ engineers should also attend safety courses along with
lorry drivers?

It's noticable Doug that you haven't put the most obvious item into
that list. What about cyclists taking responsibility for their own
safety?

Don't you mean cyclists being made to take responsibility for the
actions of dangerous drivers?

No Doug, I mean cyclists taking responsibility for their own safety. Just as
you failed to do when you obstructed the path of a car.