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On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 15:37:41 -0500, gym gravity
wrote: gym gravity wrote: By Saturday all I want to do is eat. And drink: http://beeradvocate.com/beer/rate_results/94/273/ http://www.internetwines.com/mb311504.html Public service, for the Brits reading: http://www.bibacity.co.uk/shop/catal...n-p-16354.html It will even pre-filter political discussions on rbr. By the second shot, you can't read anything, so you may as well load Kozmic Blues on the CD player and give it up. Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels... |
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This sounds a lot like the training the Kenyan runners do in their
running camps. I think it was documented in a book called "Training the Kenyan Way". They go to these camps where they run 3 times a day; light run in the morning, intervals on the track at midday, and then a longish run in the evening that often deteriorates into a race back to camp by the end. Mostly just sleep and eat between runs. They do this for a couple of weeks and then taper for a period of big events, where they do very little running besides racing. Seems to work for them, and it would be hard to argue that the stress on the muscles wasn't at least as great if not more so than in cycling. |
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This sounds a lot like the training the Kenyan runners do in their
running camps. I think it was documented in a book called "Training the Kenyan Way". They go to these camps where they run 3 times a day; light run in the morning, intervals on the track at midday, and then a longish run in the evening that often deteriorates into a race back to camp by the end. Mostly just sleep and eat between runs. They do this for a couple of weeks and then taper for a period of big events, where they do very little running besides racing. Seems to work for them, and it would be hard to argue that the stress on the muscles wasn't at least as great if not more so than in cycling. |
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"Wayne" wrote in message m... This sounds a lot like the training the Kenyan runners do in their running camps. I think it was documented in a book called "Training the Kenyan Way". They go to these camps where they run 3 times a day; light run in the morning, intervals on the track at midday, and then a longish run in the evening that often deteriorates into a race back to camp by the end. Mostly just sleep and eat between runs. They do this for a couple of weeks and then taper for a period of big events, where they do very little running besides racing. Seems to work for them, and it would be hard to argue that the stress on the muscles wasn't at least as great if not more so than in cycling. No mention of how intense those intervals are. Here's a clue, those Kenyans have small legs muscles compared to cyclists. -WG |
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"Wayne" wrote in message m... This sounds a lot like the training the Kenyan runners do in their running camps. I think it was documented in a book called "Training the Kenyan Way". They go to these camps where they run 3 times a day; light run in the morning, intervals on the track at midday, and then a longish run in the evening that often deteriorates into a race back to camp by the end. Mostly just sleep and eat between runs. They do this for a couple of weeks and then taper for a period of big events, where they do very little running besides racing. Seems to work for them, and it would be hard to argue that the stress on the muscles wasn't at least as great if not more so than in cycling. No mention of how intense those intervals are. Here's a clue, those Kenyans have small legs muscles compared to cyclists. -WG |
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Stewart Fleming wrote:
Benjamin Weiner wrote: P.S. Seems that they showed doing a lot of 4 minute intervals improves your performance over 4 minute periods. Specificity ... Consider a road racing pack doing steady state at 40kph. Your break goes with a jump then a sustained effort at 50kph. 40kph for 4 mins = 2.66km 50kph for 4 mins = 3.33km Your break is now 0.67km ahead on the road. The pack at steady state will take 1 min to cover that extra distance. So you have a lead of 1 minute and you can revert to steady state. The sustained effort after the initial jump is what gives the break a chance to succeed. (If, of course, there is no reaction from the bunch...but if it's the 7th attack that day...who knows?) On a different tack, Eddy B recommended never doing more than 2km intervals for time trial preparation. For much the same reason as given in the article - recovery is easier. Well, yeah, I can believe that there are cases where going hard for a 4 minute interval gives you a race advantage. But the same could probably be said for 1 minute intervals, or a high LT that lets you ride harder all race long. It gets back to the question of, what is the most effective regimen given the need to recover, and for most of us, limited time? Is it really easier to recover from 2km intervals at a 2km pace than 20 min intervals at a somewhat slower pace? When I said "Specificity" I was trolling for Andy Coggan, who usually has an opinion on these things - I could take a guess but don't want to presume. Ben Doing whiskey intervals with beer recovery this week |
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Stewart Fleming wrote:
Benjamin Weiner wrote: P.S. Seems that they showed doing a lot of 4 minute intervals improves your performance over 4 minute periods. Specificity ... Consider a road racing pack doing steady state at 40kph. Your break goes with a jump then a sustained effort at 50kph. 40kph for 4 mins = 2.66km 50kph for 4 mins = 3.33km Your break is now 0.67km ahead on the road. The pack at steady state will take 1 min to cover that extra distance. So you have a lead of 1 minute and you can revert to steady state. The sustained effort after the initial jump is what gives the break a chance to succeed. (If, of course, there is no reaction from the bunch...but if it's the 7th attack that day...who knows?) On a different tack, Eddy B recommended never doing more than 2km intervals for time trial preparation. For much the same reason as given in the article - recovery is easier. Well, yeah, I can believe that there are cases where going hard for a 4 minute interval gives you a race advantage. But the same could probably be said for 1 minute intervals, or a high LT that lets you ride harder all race long. It gets back to the question of, what is the most effective regimen given the need to recover, and for most of us, limited time? Is it really easier to recover from 2km intervals at a 2km pace than 20 min intervals at a somewhat slower pace? When I said "Specificity" I was trolling for Andy Coggan, who usually has an opinion on these things - I could take a guess but don't want to presume. Ben Doing whiskey intervals with beer recovery this week |
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Benjamin Weiner wrote: Doing whiskey intervals with beer recovery this week specificity. If you do whiskey intervals, you make the beer chase. |
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Benjamin Weiner wrote: Doing whiskey intervals with beer recovery this week specificity. If you do whiskey intervals, you make the beer chase. |
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Stewart Fleming Wrote: Benjamin Weiner wrote: On a different tack, Eddy B recommended never doing more than 2km intervals for time trial preparation. For much the same reason as given in the article - recovery is easier. keep in mind, eddie b's version of recovery is to ride what carmichael would consider "tempo" because in a race, you don't get to recover at 12mph. laura "currently recovering with percoset chasers after getting 10 screws and a plate put in her broken wrist - longer discourse on the dangers of toe-lap and 'cross tires later" w -- pedalchick |
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