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Old July 22nd 03, 06:42 PM
Martin Recker
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"Willowbeauty" wrote in message ...

Mayo would have lost nothing in this competition crossing the line as 3rd.

4 seconds are nothing in the best team classification by now.


Good thing Lemond wasn't quite so flippant as you over a few seconds wasn't
it?


I just learned from RBR that the bonuses doesn't even count for the
best team classification.

Okay, Mayo may not have known that either.
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Old July 22nd 03, 06:54 PM
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Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

"Willowbeauty" wrote in message
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"Martin Recker" wrote in message
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"Willowbeauty" wrote in message

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Euskatel are after the highest Spanish team prize

Mayo would have lost nothing in this competition crossing the line as

3rd.

4 seconds are nothing in the best team classification by now.


Good thing Lemond wasn't quite so flippant as you over a few seconds

wasn't
it?




Mayo is not in contention for much. The rider ahead of him is his teamate.


If he breaks tomorrow for Bayonne (not saying he will) would you accept
his motives for a podium finish? If he and Zubeldia continue to slave in
tandem and make up the deficit to CSC, would you accept those motives?
What might you accept?

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Old July 22nd 03, 07:03 PM
Kurgan Gringioni
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"Clovis Lark" wrote in message
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Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

"Willowbeauty" wrote in message
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"Martin Recker" wrote in message
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"Willowbeauty" wrote in message
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Euskatel are after the highest Spanish team prize

Mayo would have lost nothing in this competition crossing the line as

3rd.

4 seconds are nothing in the best team classification by now.

Good thing Lemond wasn't quite so flippant as you over a few seconds

wasn't
it?




Mayo is not in contention for much. The rider ahead of him is his

teamate.

If he breaks tomorrow for Bayonne (not saying he will) would you accept
his motives for a podium finish? If he and Zubeldia continue to slave in
tandem and make up the deficit to CSC, would you accept those motives?
What might you accept?




Mayo won't finish on the podium.

I'm willing to put money on that. Are you?


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Old July 22nd 03, 07:15 PM
Wayne Pein
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Steve McGinty wrote:


Put it in the perspective of Monday's stage - Mayo didn't know how
much time Vino was going to lose - so every second counted, as far as
he was concerned.


In that case he should have worked with JU to put time into Vino, unless Mayo's "excuse" is that he couldn't help due to JU's
pressure. And if he couldn't help, then he ought to be thankful to JU for towing him, and concede the time bonus to JU.

Wayne


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Old July 22nd 03, 07:21 PM
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Mayo is my currently hated rider for that move. No class !!

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"Martin Recker" wrote in message
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"Willowbeauty" wrote in message

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Mayo would have lost nothing in this competition crossing the line as

3rd.

4 seconds are nothing in the best team classification by now.


Good thing Lemond wasn't quite so flippant as you over a few seconds

wasn't
it?


I just learned from RBR that the bonuses doesn't even count for the
best team classification.

Okay, Mayo may not have known that either.



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Old July 22nd 03, 07:57 PM
Clovis Lark
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Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

"Clovis Lark" wrote in message
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Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

"Willowbeauty" wrote in message
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"Martin Recker" wrote in message
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"Willowbeauty" wrote in message
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Euskatel are after the highest Spanish team prize

Mayo would have lost nothing in this competition crossing the line as
3rd.

4 seconds are nothing in the best team classification by now.

Good thing Lemond wasn't quite so flippant as you over a few seconds
wasn't
it?




Mayo is not in contention for much. The rider ahead of him is his

teamate.

If he breaks tomorrow for Bayonne (not saying he will) would you accept
his motives for a podium finish? If he and Zubeldia continue to slave in
tandem and make up the deficit to CSC, would you accept those motives?
What might you accept?




Mayo won't finish on the podium.


I'm willing to put money on that. Are you?


My hunch is that he won't either. But that is not a blank check for him
to stop racing. Much is on the line, E-E has budgetary constraints and is
hoping to raise extra cash for extending contracts for their riders from
both Euskatel and the local government. However, if the dough ain't
sufficient, he, along with several others, will be looking for interest
elsewhere. Most teams would gladly grab a combative, energetic rider who
doesn't give up. On his team's part, the Fundacion Euskadi is only able
to guarantee a single year contract which won't keep riders looking for
several years' security. Euskatel is planning to continue their support to
2006, but the current contract ends next season and good exposure/results
are needed to convince the beancounters. Right now, they aren't inclined
to give more than 3 million euros. The balance is apparently going to come
from provincial government grants. I think this presents incentive enough
to perform as hard as possible.

Facts cribbed from:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/tour.php?...ures/euskaltel
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Old July 22nd 03, 08:18 PM
Kurgan Gringioni
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"Clovis Lark" wrote in message
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Mayo won't finish on the podium.


I'm willing to put money on that. Are you?


My hunch is that he won't either. But that is not a blank check for him
to stop racing. Much is on the line, E-E has budgetary constraints and is
hoping to raise extra cash for extending contracts for their riders from
both Euskatel and the local government. However, if the dough ain't
sufficient, he, along with several others, will be looking for interest
elsewhere. Most teams would gladly grab a combative, energetic rider who
doesn't give up. On his team's part, the Fundacion Euskadi is only able
to guarantee a single year contract which won't keep riders looking for
several years' security. Euskatel is planning to continue their support to
2006, but the current contract ends next season and good exposure/results
are needed to convince the beancounters. Right now, they aren't inclined
to give more than 3 million euros. The balance is apparently going to come
from provincial government grants. I think this presents incentive enough
to perform as hard as possible.





If he performed as hard as possible, he should have at least helped Ullrich
a little, even 5%, then sprinted.


Dude didn't do a thing. He will be paid back.


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Old July 22nd 03, 09:23 PM
Steve McGinty
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On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:15:22 GMT, Wayne Pein wrote:

Steve McGinty wrote:


Put it in the perspective of Monday's stage - Mayo didn't know how
much time Vino was going to lose - so every second counted, as far as
he was concerned.


In that case he should have worked with JU to put time into Vino, unless Mayo's "excuse" is that he couldn't help due to JU's
pressure. And if he couldn't help, then he ought to be thankful to JU for towing him, and concede the time bonus to JU.

Wayne


Mayo had attacked a number of times and had tried to go with
Armstrong. Having failed to stay with Armstrong his best option for
gaining time on Vino was to sit on Ullrich when he came up and try to
get the remaining bonuses.


Regards!
Stephen
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Old July 22nd 03, 09:55 PM
Kurgan Gringioni
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"Clovis Lark" wrote in message
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Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

"Clovis Lark" wrote in message
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Mayo won't finish on the podium.

I'm willing to put money on that. Are you?

My hunch is that he won't either. But that is not a blank check for

him
to stop racing. Much is on the line, E-E has budgetary constraints and

is
hoping to raise extra cash for extending contracts for their riders

from
both Euskatel and the local government. However, if the dough ain't
sufficient, he, along with several others, will be looking for interest
elsewhere. Most teams would gladly grab a combative, energetic rider

who
doesn't give up. On his team's part, the Fundacion Euskadi is only

able
to guarantee a single year contract which won't keep riders looking for
several years' security. Euskatel is planning to continue their support

to
2006, but the current contract ends next season and good

exposure/results
are needed to convince the beancounters. Right now, they aren't

inclined
to give more than 3 million euros. The balance is apparently going to

come
from provincial government grants. I think this presents incentive

enough
to perform as hard as possible.





If he performed as hard as possible, he should have at least helped

Ullrich
a little, even 5%, then sprinted.


You assume, without evidence, that he had a super 10km climb in his legs
greater than that of Ullrich.



If he was strong enough to sprint by at the end (Ullrich wanted the bonus),
he could have done at least one or two pulls. The honorable way to do it
would have been to help a little, then quit helping towards the finish. The
way he did it will besmirch his reputation among his peers.


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Old July 23rd 03, 01:21 AM
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Martin Recker wrote:
"Willowbeauty" wrote in message
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Euskatel are after the highest Spanish team prize

Mayo would have lost nothing in this competition crossing the
line as 3rd.
4 seconds are nothing in the best team classification by now.




If you don;t want people to sprint for it then don;t give euros for
it...Mayo attacked earlier in the race. He tried to attack Jan once
Lance had left. Mayo also attacked late enough to allow Jan to respond



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