Enough whining bull****, here's a story

Two cyclists just couldn't let it go, went back for a fight with
youngsters and lost.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news...-shard-5910747

"Mrcheerful" wrote

Two cyclists just couldn't let it go, went back for a fight with
youngsters and lost.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news...-shard-5910747

Nothing to do with cycling. Try uk.local.birmingham.

"TMS320" wrote in message
...
"Mrcheerful" wrote

Two cyclists just couldn't let it go, went back for a fight with
youngsters and lost.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news...-shard-5910747

Nothing to do with cycling. Try uk.local.birmingham.

I agree. The subject of the story was an assault. Without more details, I
can only assume that the fact that the victim was a cyclist is irrelevant.

"Mrcheerful" wrote

Two cyclists just couldn't let it go, went back for a fight with
youngsters and lost.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news...-shard-5910747

Correction... "two people just couldn't let it go"... Off topic for a
cycling newsgroup. Try a Birmingham newsgroup.

On 11/09/2013 17:55, TMS320 wrote:
"Mrcheerful" wrote

Two cyclists just couldn't let it go, went back for a fight with
youngsters and lost.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news...-shard-5910747

Correction... "two people just couldn't let it go"... Off topic for a
cycling newsgroup. Try a Birmingham newsgroup.


Please enlighten us as to why people riding bicycles are not to be
called cyclists?

On 11/09/2013 11:32, Mrcheerful wrote:

Two cyclists just couldn't let it go, went back for a fight with
youngsters and lost.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news...-shard-5910747

It really doesn't look as though it had all that much to do with cycling.

Just one group of chavs scrapping with another.

QUOTE:
Timothy Cray, prosecuting at Birmingham Crown Court, said in the course
of the struggle, when they ended up on the ground, Mrs Brady had grabbed
hold of the teenager’s hair and may have hit her in the face.

The defendant responded by biting the victim’s ring finger on her left
hand with “very great force”.
ENDQUOTE

Fancy retaliating for something as trivial as having your hair grabbed
hold of and a mere blow to the face, eh?

They sound well-matched.

On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 12:33:34 -0500, jnugent
wrote:

On 11/09/2013 11:32, Mrcheerful wrote:

Two cyclists just couldn't let it go, went back for a fight with
youngsters and lost.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news...-shard-5910747

It really doesn't look as though it had all that much to do with cycling.

Just one group of chavs scrapping with another.

There is nothing in that report which suggests to me that Mr and Mrs
Brady were louts (my interpretation of your racist term "chavs").

As they cycled by, they may well have felt it their civic duty to
challenge the offensive behaviour apparently displayed by the three
young women.

The pulling of the girl's hair and punching her face by Mrs Brady does
not appear, from the news report, to have been a criminal act, and
therefore self defence.

But I assume much, and cannot know for sure, but I certainly would not
want to label Mr and Mrs Brady as "chavs" (or even louts) on the
evidence from that report.

QUOTE:
Timothy Cray, prosecuting at Birmingham Crown Court, said in the course
of the struggle, when they ended up on the ground, Mrs Brady had grabbed
hold of the teenager’s hair and may have hit her in the face.

The defendant responded by biting the victim’s ring finger on her left
hand with “very great force”.
ENDQUOTE

Fancy retaliating for something as trivial as having your hair grabbed
hold of and a mere blow to the face, eh?

They sound well-matched.

On 11/09/2013 17:21, Bertie Wooster wrote:

jnugent wrote:
On 11/09/2013 11:32, Mrcheerful wrote:

Two cyclists just couldn't let it go, went back for a fight with
youngsters and lost.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news...-shard-5910747

It really doesn't look as though it had all that much to do with cycling.
Just one group of chavs scrapping with another.

There is nothing in that report which suggests to me that Mr and Mrs
Brady were louts (my interpretation of your racist term "chavs").

*Apart* from the fact that Mrs Brady is said to have grabbed the hair of
Ms Crockett and slapped her in the face, you mean?

"Chav" is certainly not racist. It is a class descriptor, not a racial one.

As they cycled by, they may well have felt it their civic duty to
challenge the offensive behaviour apparently displayed by the three
young women.

Even if the non-cyclists had "started it", when did performance of civic
duties start to tolerate (or even require) confrontational assault?

I must have missed that change in the law.

The pulling of the girl's hair and punching her face by Mrs Brady does
not appear, from the news report, to have been a criminal act, and
therefore self defence.

It *is* a criminal act. At the very least (I know you are thinking of
distinctions between various levels of assault), it would be assault
occasioning bodily harm. You cannot strike an adult in the face without
causing some harm, even if it's just a cut lip or a black eye.

My advice: don't persist with this. You're on very thin ice.

In particular, don't be tempted to test out your theory that it's
acceptable to grab the hair of a stranger and slap them in the face.
You'll find that it is not.

But I assume much, and cannot know for sure, but I certainly would not
want to label Mr and Mrs Brady as "chavs" (or even louts) on the
evidence from that report.

Given the evidence, I can't see any other reasonable conclusion.

QUOTE:
Timothy Cray, prosecuting at Birmingham Crown Court, said in the course
of the struggle, when they ended up on the ground, Mrs Brady had grabbed
hold of the teenager’s hair and may have hit her in the face.

The defendant responded by biting the victim’s ring finger on her left
hand with “very great force”.
ENDQUOTE

Fancy retaliating for something as trivial as having your hair grabbed
hold of and a mere blow to the face, eh?

They sound well-matched.

Don't they?

On 11/09/2013 11:32, Mrcheerful wrote:

Two cyclists just couldn't let it go, went back for a fight with
youngsters and lost.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news...-shard-5910747

The main participant seems to have been one Tiffany Crockett.

Is Shard End a bit of a wild frontier?

On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 12:36:46 -0500, jnugent
wrote:

On 11/09/2013 11:32, Mrcheerful wrote:

Two cyclists just couldn't let it go, went back for a fight with
youngsters and lost.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news...-shard-5910747

The main participant seems to have been one Tiffany Crockett.

Is Shard End a bit of a wild frontier?

Cars seem to be parked in curious places.
http://goo.gl/maps/WEI7E
http://goo.gl/maps/U6oAE
http://goo.gl/maps/uJ9Bs
http://goo.gl/maps/zXKEz
http://goo.gl/maps/jzmDV
http://goo.gl/maps/fQuD1
http://goo.gl/maps/TrNJR
http://goo.gl/maps/OROmD
http://goo.gl/maps/MmqoI
http://goo.gl/maps/osgqR
http://goo.gl/maps/z6UWf
http://goo.gl/maps/RKsqJ
http://goo.gl/maps/25kbH

Is this sort of parking on public open space legal?

There are no yellow lines along the side of the road, and while I feel
that on-street garaging of cars should not be permitted, it is, and
that would seem to me to be a more appropriate place for parked
vehicles.