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On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 01:05:50 +0100, JNugent
wrote: As I said, I do not condone the practice. But neither do I think that cyclists using the footway with consideration for other footway users do much harm. The owners of illegal firearms taking adequately careful and considerate aim on discharge of their weapons don't do much harm either. But... ....of course there is a huge difference with an object designed to kill and one designed for personal transport, so the analogy is rubbish. |
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#142
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On Sunday, 21 July 2013 10:29:44 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 21/07/2013 03:07, thirty-six wrote: On Sunday, 21 July 2013 01:03:23 UTC+1, JNugent wrote: On 20/07/2013 18:49, Bertie Wooster wrote: JNugent wrote: On 20/07/2013 13:46, wrote: On Saturday, 20 July 2013 11:55:46 UTC+1, JNugent wrote: It would be difficult to attribute *any* harm at all to cars parked on, or partly on, the footway, though it's easy enough to react with hysteria, as you are doing. Concern for others isn't one of your strong points, is it. Here's a deal if you want it: don't be such a drama queen, and I won't (have to) point out that you're a drama queen. There are many reasons why flagstones are disappearing, but parking on them is not one of them. Actually, it is. You missed out a "not" in there. Flagstones are disappearing because of their cost compared with asphalt. Flagstones last considerably longer than tarmac, if not destroyed by footway parking, and would therefore be considerably cheaper if it were not for the thoughtless and selfish behaviour of a minority of motorists. http://goo.gl/maps/LyVaE Rubbish. The flagstones in the street where I was brought up were undamaged when Liverpool City Council dug them up and put them into storage to await reallocation as adornment of "prestige" city centre redevelopments. As it happens, the unsightly asphalt with which they were replaced is still in good condition 35 years later, but looks completely out of place in a late Victorian terraced street. Such locations should have been allowed to retain the cracks for further generations of children to avoid (and convenient hopscotch pitches). I believe they pinched the york-stone to save it getting pinched. I don't know what "york-stone" is, but suspect that it is the sort of I slipped, there's no hyphen it is real stone. York stone IS the beige, or pink-beige, dense sandstone used as paving, keystones, lintels, gate posts, steps, coping stones. It is of course not in the guberment's interest to provide a pleasant environment for the workers, so with adopted streets, councils claimed the stone as their own. BTW, Liverpool also pulled up a lot of granite kerbstone and setts. cheap composition paving flag used for patios, footpaths around the side of semi-detached houses, etc. The flagstones purloined by Liverpool City Council from whole terraced streets was genuine hewn solid stone, at least 75 years old in situ at the time, laid down by the builders who built those privately-owned streets (certainly not by the council) and in as near perfect condition as you could possibly expect, despite four or five generations of use. It's quite clear that proper flag stones when laid correctly does bear up to cars and does not break. Unfortunately many forget or have never known of this stone which may be 3" or so thick. One can only imagine the depravity of the council official who, having identified the quality and value of the street furniture in those locations, wrote a report to the relevant committee recommending that the stones be removed (as though they were the property of the council, which they were not). What else do you expect from a guberment? They pretend to be above the law and have legislarion to confuddle the masses. They have policy enforcement officers to protect them in their unlawful activities. |
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TMS320 wrote:
"JNugent" wrote in message ... On 20/07/2013 17:06, TMS320 wrote: "Mrcheerful" wrote in message ... TMS320 wrote: "Mrcheerful" wrote It is far easier and safer for almost anyone to negotiate a relatively smooth stationary vehicle parked partly or even wholly on a pavement, than it is to negotiate an obscenity screaming, slobbering, smelly oaf on a moving bike (with lots of sticky out bits) that may approach from any direction . Here's a tip. Reduce the number of bottles you buy in your weekly shop. You would be able to walk in a straighter line and the cyclist will be able to find a way round you more easily. It's even possible that you stop imagining things. Tell that to all the OAPs that suffer broken hips and worse when they are hit by these bicycle weapons. There is a far greater threat when walking anywhere. Motor vehicles. Thanks to JNugent:- That does *not* mean that I condone or recommend cyclists from ignoring traffic regulations, merely that I point out that there is little harm which actually flows from it in reality, even if there is plenty in the weird imaginations of some. That's a silly forgery. At least I gave you the credit. A stationary car can do no harm to anyone (unless it's on top of them). I didn't say "stationary motor vehicles represent the far greater threat to pedestrians". I said that "motor vehicles represent the far greater threat to pedestrians". Is there a factual error? so you are trying to avoid the question, well done! |
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Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 00:59:13 +0100, JNugent wrote: There is an error in ignoring the correct context, which was the topic of stationary motor vehicles (with a later comparison between such stationary vehicles and moving bicycles). How do the stationary motor vehicles materialise on the footway? they are put there while no people or items occupy that space. |
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On Sunday, 21 July 2013 12:28:04 UTC+1, Mrcheerful wrote:
Bertie Wooster wrote: How do the stationary motor vehicles materialise on the footway? they are put there while no people or items occupy that space. Indeed, because pedestrians have to jump out of the way to avoid injury. |
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On Sunday, 21 July 2013 13:15:59 UTC+1, Mrcheerful wrote:
wrote: On Sunday, 21 July 2013 12:28:04 UTC+1, Mrcheerful wrote: Bertie Wooster wrote: How do the stationary motor vehicles materialise on the footway? they are put there while no people or items occupy that space. Indeed, because pedestrians have to jump out of the way to avoid injury. There must be lots of news items about that, can you point to some? There are many news items about pedestrians having to jump out of the way of cyclists on the pavement, why is that? It's not a news item because it's a regular occurrence. If you've never had to move smartly to avoid a pavement parker heading for you, then you don't get out enough. |
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On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 06:27:18 -0700 (PDT),
wrote: On Sunday, 21 July 2013 13:15:59 UTC+1, Mrcheerful wrote: wrote: On Sunday, 21 July 2013 12:28:04 UTC+1, Mrcheerful wrote: Bertie Wooster wrote: How do the stationary motor vehicles materialise on the footway? they are put there while no people or items occupy that space. Indeed, because pedestrians have to jump out of the way to avoid injury. There must be lots of news items about that, can you point to some? There are many news items about pedestrians having to jump out of the way of cyclists on the pavement, why is that? It's not a news item because it's a regular occurrence. If you've never had to move smartly to avoid a pavement parker heading for you, then you don't get out enough. I do think the problem varies in different parts of the country, and even in towns the problem is different in different parts of the town. For example, outside the Kebab shop just off the A20 in Lee is particularly bad between 7pm and midnight. Eltham High Street is bad daytime with delivery drivers. Residential areas seem to be worse overnight than during the day. Outside schools can be diabolical 8.30am to 9.30am and again 3pm to 4pm, just at the most dangerous times when children are meeting their parents. |
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On 21/07/2013 14:27, wrote:
On Sunday, 21 July 2013 13:15:59 UTC+1, Mrcheerful wrote: wrote: On Sunday, 21 July 2013 12:28:04 UTC+1, Mrcheerful wrote: Bertie Wooster wrote: How do the stationary motor vehicles materialise on the footway? they are put there while no people or items occupy that space. Indeed, because pedestrians have to jump out of the way to avoid injury. There must be lots of news items about that, can you point to some? There are many news items about pedestrians having to jump out of the way of cyclists on the pavement, why is that? It's not a news item because it's a regular occurrence. If you've never had to move smartly to avoid a pavement parker heading for you, then you don't get out enough. Well, either that or you don't live anywhere pikey enough. |
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