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On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:02:18 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote: Bertie Wooster wrote: On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:03:38 +0100, Judith wrote: On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 08:02:16 +0100, Bertie Wooster wrote: snip In/on what sort of vehicle does the operator most frequently ignore one-way working, plus red traffic lights, pedestrian-only status of a facility, etc? Motor vehicle. Please Sir : my dad says that that is incorrect: can you try again: or perhaps provide some evidence if you're sure that you are right. It would be bad form for an (ex) teacher to be giving out duff gen. 1. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore red traffic lights: between 50% and 66% of them who have the opportunity to do so, do. 2. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore pedestrian only footways by driving onto and parking on them. 3. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore speed limits. The only one of the list which motor vehicle operators do infrequently is ignore one-way working. However, as I am sure we can all agree, it does happen. It is very rare that car drivers ignore one way streets, some accidentally go up them the wrong way, but cyclists do it quite deliberately. It is very rare that cyclists ignore bike boxes, some accidentally stop outside the box, but motorists enter them quite deliberately. |
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On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:02:18 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote: Bertie Wooster wrote: On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:03:38 +0100, Judith wrote: On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 08:02:16 +0100, Bertie Wooster wrote: snip In/on what sort of vehicle does the operator most frequently ignore one-way working, plus red traffic lights, pedestrian-only status of a facility, etc? Motor vehicle. Please Sir : my dad says that that is incorrect: can you try again: or perhaps provide some evidence if you're sure that you are right. It would be bad form for an (ex) teacher to be giving out duff gen. 1. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore red traffic lights: between 50% and 66% of them who have the opportunity to do so, do. 2. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore pedestrian only footways by driving onto and parking on them. 3. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore speed limits. The only one of the list which motor vehicle operators do infrequently is ignore one-way working. However, as I am sure we can all agree, it does happen. It is very rare that car drivers ignore one way streets, some accidentally go up them the wrong way, but cyclists do it quite deliberately. It is very rare that cyclists ignore motorway restrictions, some accidentally stray onto motorways, but learner motorists do it quite deliberately. |
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On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:22:34 +0100, Bertie Wooster wrote:
It is very rare that cyclists ignore speed limits, some accidentally speed in the royal parks, but motorists do it quite deliberately. Royal parks speed limits no longer apply to cyclists. The Royal Parks and Other Open Spaces (Amendments) etc Regulations 2010 redefined 'vehicle' to mean motor vehicles, so the speed limits there no longer apply to cyclists. regards, Ian SMith -- |\ /| no .sig |o o| |/ \| |
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Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:02:18 +0100, "Mrcheerful" wrote: Bertie Wooster wrote: On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:03:38 +0100, Judith wrote: On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 08:02:16 +0100, Bertie Wooster wrote: snip In/on what sort of vehicle does the operator most frequently ignore one-way working, plus red traffic lights, pedestrian-only status of a facility, etc? Motor vehicle. Please Sir : my dad says that that is incorrect: can you try again: or perhaps provide some evidence if you're sure that you are right. It would be bad form for an (ex) teacher to be giving out duff gen. 1. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore red traffic lights: between 50% and 66% of them who have the opportunity to do so, do. 2. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore pedestrian only footways by driving onto and parking on them. 3. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore speed limits. The only one of the list which motor vehicle operators do infrequently is ignore one-way working. However, as I am sure we can all agree, it does happen. It is very rare that car drivers ignore one way streets, some accidentally go up them the wrong way, but cyclists do it quite deliberately. It is very rare that cyclists ignore motorway restrictions, some accidentally stray onto motorways, but learner motorists do it quite deliberately. Do you have any proof of that? |
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On 17/07/2013 08:01, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 06:50:11 +0100, Tony Dragon wrote: On 16/07/2013 22:27, Bertie Wooster wrote: On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 20:32:17 +0100, JNugent wrote: On 16/07/2013 19:54, Bertie Wooster wrote: On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 18:25:36 +0100, JNugent wrote: PW Lee in another newsgroup (and referring to a driver who had been involved in a traffic accident): QUOTE: Why is he not being charged with both failure to stop after the initial collision and dangerous driving? He's clearly guilty of both. ENDQUOTE How about High Treason as well? QUOTE: And there is some evidence that he routinely breaks the law by driving the wrong way along this one-way street as a shortcut - no doubt cctv footage could be reviewed to substantiate that. ENDQUOTE I'd be all for that being done routinely and significant penalties being dealt out to offenders. Anyone care to hazard a submission on what class of vehicular traffic most often ignores one-way working? It's not the traffic that ignored one-way working, it is the vehicle operator. Quite so. And in/on what sort of vehicle does the operator most frequently ignore one-way working, plus red traffic lights, pedestrian-only status of a facility, etc? In this case: http://www.surreycomet.co.uk/news/ki...t_spooked_him/ It appears that the BMW driver was so shocked that a law abiding cyclist told him that he was going the wrong way down a one way street, that he collided with the cyclist before ploughing into several pedestrians, a brick wall and a London bus. The comments section of the report says it all. Given where the car ended up he was not travelling the wrong way down Fife Road, but did turn the wrong way on Clarence Street, but this was after the cyclist shouted at him. Why do you suppose the cyclist shouted at him - perhaps because he was about the drive the wrong way around the gyratory? I have no idea why the cyclist shouted at him, I am just pointing out the facts as reported. Perhaps the cyclist had made an illegal left turn into Fife Road, but I dont know. |
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On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 16:22:22 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote: Bertie Wooster wrote: On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:02:18 +0100, "Mrcheerful" wrote: Bertie Wooster wrote: On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:03:38 +0100, Judith wrote: On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 08:02:16 +0100, Bertie Wooster wrote: snip In/on what sort of vehicle does the operator most frequently ignore one-way working, plus red traffic lights, pedestrian-only status of a facility, etc? Motor vehicle. Please Sir : my dad says that that is incorrect: can you try again: or perhaps provide some evidence if you're sure that you are right. It would be bad form for an (ex) teacher to be giving out duff gen. 1. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore red traffic lights: between 50% and 66% of them who have the opportunity to do so, do. 2. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore pedestrian only footways by driving onto and parking on them. 3. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore speed limits. The only one of the list which motor vehicle operators do infrequently is ignore one-way working. However, as I am sure we can all agree, it does happen. It is very rare that car drivers ignore one way streets, some accidentally go up them the wrong way, but cyclists do it quite deliberately. It is very rare that cyclists ignore motorway restrictions, some accidentally stray onto motorways, but learner motorists do it quite deliberately. Do you have any proof of that? Unfortunately there is no distinct crime code for learner drivers on the motorway. We do know that there are approximately 9.5 million recorded motoring offences committed each year, and this is likely to be a vast underestimate of the actual number of crimes committed by motorists. Indeed, it could be said that motorists are the biggest single group of criminals in the country, with few exceptions. |
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Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 16:22:22 +0100, "Mrcheerful" wrote: Bertie Wooster wrote: On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:02:18 +0100, "Mrcheerful" wrote: Bertie Wooster wrote: On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:03:38 +0100, Judith wrote: On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 08:02:16 +0100, Bertie Wooster wrote: snip In/on what sort of vehicle does the operator most frequently ignore one-way working, plus red traffic lights, pedestrian-only status of a facility, etc? Motor vehicle. Please Sir : my dad says that that is incorrect: can you try again: or perhaps provide some evidence if you're sure that you are right. It would be bad form for an (ex) teacher to be giving out duff gen. 1. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore red traffic lights: between 50% and 66% of them who have the opportunity to do so, do. 2. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore pedestrian only footways by driving onto and parking on them. 3. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore speed limits. The only one of the list which motor vehicle operators do infrequently is ignore one-way working. However, as I am sure we can all agree, it does happen. It is very rare that car drivers ignore one way streets, some accidentally go up them the wrong way, but cyclists do it quite deliberately. It is very rare that cyclists ignore motorway restrictions, some accidentally stray onto motorways, but learner motorists do it quite deliberately. Do you have any proof of that? Unfortunately there is no distinct crime code for learner drivers on the motorway. We do know that there are approximately 9.5 million recorded motoring offences committed each year, and this is likely to be a vast underestimate of the actual number of crimes committed by motorists. Indeed, it could be said that motorists are the biggest single group of criminals in the country, with few exceptions. To get back to the subject: so there may not be any deliberate L drivers on the motorways at all? |
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On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 18:36:51 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote: Bertie Wooster wrote: On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 16:22:22 +0100, "Mrcheerful" wrote: Bertie Wooster wrote: On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:02:18 +0100, "Mrcheerful" wrote: Bertie Wooster wrote: On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:03:38 +0100, Judith wrote: On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 08:02:16 +0100, Bertie Wooster wrote: snip In/on what sort of vehicle does the operator most frequently ignore one-way working, plus red traffic lights, pedestrian-only status of a facility, etc? Motor vehicle. Please Sir : my dad says that that is incorrect: can you try again: or perhaps provide some evidence if you're sure that you are right. It would be bad form for an (ex) teacher to be giving out duff gen. 1. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore red traffic lights: between 50% and 66% of them who have the opportunity to do so, do. 2. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore pedestrian only footways by driving onto and parking on them. 3. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore speed limits. The only one of the list which motor vehicle operators do infrequently is ignore one-way working. However, as I am sure we can all agree, it does happen. It is very rare that car drivers ignore one way streets, some accidentally go up them the wrong way, but cyclists do it quite deliberately. It is very rare that cyclists ignore motorway restrictions, some accidentally stray onto motorways, but learner motorists do it quite deliberately. Do you have any proof of that? Unfortunately there is no distinct crime code for learner drivers on the motorway. We do know that there are approximately 9.5 million recorded motoring offences committed each year, and this is likely to be a vast underestimate of the actual number of crimes committed by motorists. Indeed, it could be said that motorists are the biggest single group of criminals in the country, with few exceptions. To get back to the subject: so there may not be any deliberate L drivers on the motorways at all? What do you think? Is it an unheard of event? |
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On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:00:47 +0000 (UTC), Ian Smith
wrote: On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:22:34 +0100, Bertie Wooster wrote: It is very rare that cyclists ignore speed limits, some accidentally speed in the royal parks, but motorists do it quite deliberately. Royal parks speed limits no longer apply to cyclists. The Royal Parks and Other Open Spaces (Amendments) etc Regulations 2010 redefined 'vehicle' to mean motor vehicles, so the speed limits there no longer apply to cyclists. regards, Ian SMith Oh great - just what pedestrians in the parks need. |
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On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:24:54 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote: On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:02:18 +0100, "Mrcheerful" wrote: Bertie Wooster wrote: On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:03:38 +0100, Judith wrote: On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 08:02:16 +0100, Bertie Wooster wrote: snip In/on what sort of vehicle does the operator most frequently ignore one-way working, plus red traffic lights, pedestrian-only status of a facility, etc? Motor vehicle. Please Sir : my dad says that that is incorrect: can you try again: or perhaps provide some evidence if you're sure that you are right. It would be bad form for an (ex) teacher to be giving out duff gen. 1. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore red traffic lights: between 50% and 66% of them who have the opportunity to do so, do. 2. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore pedestrian only footways by driving onto and parking on them. 3. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore speed limits. The only one of the list which motor vehicle operators do infrequently is ignore one-way working. However, as I am sure we can all agree, it does happen. It is very rare that car drivers ignore one way streets, some accidentally go up them the wrong way, but cyclists do it quite deliberately. It is very rare that cyclists ignore bike boxes, some accidentally stop outside the box, but motorists enter them quite deliberately. It is very rare that Tom Crispin gets his facts right, whereas in general you can rely on what other posters to URC say. |
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