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  #41  
Old July 17th 13, 03:24 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bertie Wooster[_2_]
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On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:02:18 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:03:38 +0100, Judith
wrote:

On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 08:02:16 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

snip


In/on what sort of vehicle does the operator most frequently ignore
one-way working, plus red traffic lights, pedestrian-only status
of a facility, etc?

Motor vehicle.


Please Sir : my dad says that that is incorrect: can you try again:
or perhaps provide some evidence if you're sure that you are right.
It would be bad form for an (ex) teacher to be giving out duff gen.


1. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore red traffic lights:
between 50% and 66% of them who have the opportunity to do so, do.
2. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore pedestrian only footways
by driving onto and parking on them.
3. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore speed limits.

The only one of the list which motor vehicle operators do infrequently
is ignore one-way working. However, as I am sure we can all agree, it
does happen.


It is very rare that car drivers ignore one way streets, some accidentally
go up them the wrong way, but cyclists do it quite deliberately.


It is very rare that cyclists ignore bike boxes, some accidentally
stop outside the box, but motorists enter them quite deliberately.
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  #42  
Old July 17th 13, 03:26 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bertie Wooster[_2_]
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On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:02:18 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:03:38 +0100, Judith
wrote:

On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 08:02:16 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

snip


In/on what sort of vehicle does the operator most frequently ignore
one-way working, plus red traffic lights, pedestrian-only status
of a facility, etc?

Motor vehicle.


Please Sir : my dad says that that is incorrect: can you try again:
or perhaps provide some evidence if you're sure that you are right.
It would be bad form for an (ex) teacher to be giving out duff gen.


1. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore red traffic lights:
between 50% and 66% of them who have the opportunity to do so, do.
2. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore pedestrian only footways
by driving onto and parking on them.
3. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore speed limits.

The only one of the list which motor vehicle operators do infrequently
is ignore one-way working. However, as I am sure we can all agree, it
does happen.


It is very rare that car drivers ignore one way streets, some accidentally
go up them the wrong way, but cyclists do it quite deliberately.


It is very rare that cyclists ignore motorway restrictions, some
accidentally stray onto motorways, but learner motorists do it quite
deliberately.
  #43  
Old July 17th 13, 04:00 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Ian Smith
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On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:22:34 +0100, Bertie Wooster wrote:

It is very rare that cyclists ignore speed limits, some accidentally
speed in the royal parks, but motorists do it quite deliberately.


Royal parks speed limits no longer apply to cyclists. The Royal Parks
and Other Open Spaces (Amendments) etc Regulations 2010 redefined
'vehicle' to mean motor vehicles, so the speed limits there no longer
apply to cyclists.

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  #44  
Old July 17th 13, 04:22 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Mrcheerful[_3_]
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Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:02:18 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:03:38 +0100, Judith
wrote:

On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 08:02:16 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

snip


In/on what sort of vehicle does the operator most frequently
ignore one-way working, plus red traffic lights, pedestrian-only
status of a facility, etc?

Motor vehicle.


Please Sir : my dad says that that is incorrect: can you try
again: or perhaps provide some evidence if you're sure that you
are right. It would be bad form for an (ex) teacher to be giving
out duff gen.

1. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore red traffic lights:
between 50% and 66% of them who have the opportunity to do so, do.
2. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore pedestrian only
footways by driving onto and parking on them.
3. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore speed limits.

The only one of the list which motor vehicle operators do
infrequently is ignore one-way working. However, as I am sure we
can all agree, it does happen.


It is very rare that car drivers ignore one way streets, some
accidentally go up them the wrong way, but cyclists do it quite
deliberately.


It is very rare that cyclists ignore motorway restrictions, some
accidentally stray onto motorways, but learner motorists do it quite
deliberately.


Do you have any proof of that?


  #45  
Old July 17th 13, 06:10 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Tony Dragon
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On 17/07/2013 08:01, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 06:50:11 +0100, Tony Dragon
wrote:

On 16/07/2013 22:27, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 20:32:17 +0100, JNugent
wrote:

On 16/07/2013 19:54, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 18:25:36 +0100, JNugent
wrote:

PW Lee in another newsgroup (and referring to a driver who had been
involved in a traffic accident):

QUOTE:
Why is he not being charged with both failure to stop after the
initial collision and dangerous driving?
He's clearly guilty of both.
ENDQUOTE

How about High Treason as well?

QUOTE:
And there is some evidence that he routinely breaks the law by driving
the wrong way along this one-way street as a shortcut - no doubt cctv
footage could be reviewed to substantiate that.
ENDQUOTE

I'd be all for that being done routinely and significant penalties being
dealt out to offenders.

Anyone care to hazard a submission on what class of vehicular traffic
most often ignores one-way working?

It's not the traffic that ignored one-way working, it is the vehicle
operator.

Quite so.

And in/on what sort of vehicle does the operator most frequently ignore
one-way working, plus red traffic lights, pedestrian-only status of a
facility, etc?

In this case:
http://www.surreycomet.co.uk/news/ki...t_spooked_him/
It appears that the BMW driver was so shocked that a law abiding
cyclist told him that he was going the wrong way down a one way
street, that he collided with the cyclist before ploughing into
several pedestrians, a brick wall and a London bus.

The comments section of the report says it all.


Given where the car ended up he was not travelling the wrong way down
Fife Road, but did turn the wrong way on Clarence Street, but this was
after the cyclist shouted at him.


Why do you suppose the cyclist shouted at him - perhaps because he was
about the drive the wrong way around the gyratory?


I have no idea why the cyclist shouted at him, I am just pointing out
the facts as reported.

Perhaps the cyclist had made an illegal left turn into Fife Road, but I
dont know.
  #46  
Old July 17th 13, 06:29 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bertie Wooster[_2_]
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On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 16:22:22 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:02:18 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:03:38 +0100, Judith
wrote:

On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 08:02:16 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

snip


In/on what sort of vehicle does the operator most frequently
ignore one-way working, plus red traffic lights, pedestrian-only
status of a facility, etc?

Motor vehicle.


Please Sir : my dad says that that is incorrect: can you try
again: or perhaps provide some evidence if you're sure that you
are right. It would be bad form for an (ex) teacher to be giving
out duff gen.

1. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore red traffic lights:
between 50% and 66% of them who have the opportunity to do so, do.
2. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore pedestrian only
footways by driving onto and parking on them.
3. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore speed limits.

The only one of the list which motor vehicle operators do
infrequently is ignore one-way working. However, as I am sure we
can all agree, it does happen.

It is very rare that car drivers ignore one way streets, some
accidentally go up them the wrong way, but cyclists do it quite
deliberately.


It is very rare that cyclists ignore motorway restrictions, some
accidentally stray onto motorways, but learner motorists do it quite
deliberately.


Do you have any proof of that?


Unfortunately there is no distinct crime code for learner drivers on
the motorway.

We do know that there are approximately 9.5 million recorded motoring
offences committed each year, and this is likely to be a vast
underestimate of the actual number of crimes committed by motorists.

Indeed, it could be said that motorists are the biggest single group
of criminals in the country, with few exceptions.
  #47  
Old July 17th 13, 06:36 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Mrcheerful[_3_]
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Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 16:22:22 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:02:18 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:03:38 +0100, Judith
wrote:

On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 08:02:16 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

snip


In/on what sort of vehicle does the operator most frequently
ignore one-way working, plus red traffic lights,
pedestrian-only status of a facility, etc?

Motor vehicle.


Please Sir : my dad says that that is incorrect: can you try
again: or perhaps provide some evidence if you're sure that you
are right. It would be bad form for an (ex) teacher to be giving
out duff gen.

1. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore red traffic lights:
between 50% and 66% of them who have the opportunity to do so, do.
2. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore pedestrian only
footways by driving onto and parking on them.
3. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore speed limits.

The only one of the list which motor vehicle operators do
infrequently is ignore one-way working. However, as I am sure we
can all agree, it does happen.

It is very rare that car drivers ignore one way streets, some
accidentally go up them the wrong way, but cyclists do it quite
deliberately.

It is very rare that cyclists ignore motorway restrictions, some
accidentally stray onto motorways, but learner motorists do it quite
deliberately.


Do you have any proof of that?


Unfortunately there is no distinct crime code for learner drivers on
the motorway.

We do know that there are approximately 9.5 million recorded motoring
offences committed each year, and this is likely to be a vast
underestimate of the actual number of crimes committed by motorists.

Indeed, it could be said that motorists are the biggest single group
of criminals in the country, with few exceptions.


To get back to the subject:
so there may not be any deliberate L drivers on the motorways at all?


  #48  
Old July 17th 13, 06:46 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bertie Wooster[_2_]
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On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 18:36:51 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 16:22:22 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:02:18 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:03:38 +0100, Judith
wrote:

On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 08:02:16 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

snip


In/on what sort of vehicle does the operator most frequently
ignore one-way working, plus red traffic lights,
pedestrian-only status of a facility, etc?

Motor vehicle.


Please Sir : my dad says that that is incorrect: can you try
again: or perhaps provide some evidence if you're sure that you
are right. It would be bad form for an (ex) teacher to be giving
out duff gen.

1. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore red traffic lights:
between 50% and 66% of them who have the opportunity to do so, do.
2. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore pedestrian only
footways by driving onto and parking on them.
3. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore speed limits.

The only one of the list which motor vehicle operators do
infrequently is ignore one-way working. However, as I am sure we
can all agree, it does happen.

It is very rare that car drivers ignore one way streets, some
accidentally go up them the wrong way, but cyclists do it quite
deliberately.

It is very rare that cyclists ignore motorway restrictions, some
accidentally stray onto motorways, but learner motorists do it quite
deliberately.

Do you have any proof of that?


Unfortunately there is no distinct crime code for learner drivers on
the motorway.

We do know that there are approximately 9.5 million recorded motoring
offences committed each year, and this is likely to be a vast
underestimate of the actual number of crimes committed by motorists.

Indeed, it could be said that motorists are the biggest single group
of criminals in the country, with few exceptions.


To get back to the subject:
so there may not be any deliberate L drivers on the motorways at all?


What do you think? Is it an unheard of event?
  #49  
Old July 17th 13, 06:55 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Judith[_4_]
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On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:00:47 +0000 (UTC), Ian Smith
wrote:

On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:22:34 +0100, Bertie Wooster wrote:

It is very rare that cyclists ignore speed limits, some accidentally
speed in the royal parks, but motorists do it quite deliberately.


Royal parks speed limits no longer apply to cyclists. The Royal Parks
and Other Open Spaces (Amendments) etc Regulations 2010 redefined
'vehicle' to mean motor vehicles, so the speed limits there no longer
apply to cyclists.

regards, Ian SMith



Oh great - just what pedestrians in the parks need.


  #50  
Old July 17th 13, 06:57 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Judith[_4_]
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On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:24:54 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:02:18 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:03:38 +0100, Judith
wrote:

On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 08:02:16 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

snip


In/on what sort of vehicle does the operator most frequently ignore
one-way working, plus red traffic lights, pedestrian-only status
of a facility, etc?

Motor vehicle.


Please Sir : my dad says that that is incorrect: can you try again:
or perhaps provide some evidence if you're sure that you are right.
It would be bad form for an (ex) teacher to be giving out duff gen.

1. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore red traffic lights:
between 50% and 66% of them who have the opportunity to do so, do.
2. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore pedestrian only footways
by driving onto and parking on them.
3. Motor vehicle operators frequently ignore speed limits.

The only one of the list which motor vehicle operators do infrequently
is ignore one-way working. However, as I am sure we can all agree, it
does happen.


It is very rare that car drivers ignore one way streets, some accidentally
go up them the wrong way, but cyclists do it quite deliberately.


It is very rare that cyclists ignore bike boxes, some accidentally
stop outside the box, but motorists enter them quite deliberately.



It is very rare that Tom Crispin gets his facts right, whereas in general you
can rely on what other posters to URC say.

 




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