Should Cyclists Pack Guns?

On 19 Apr 2007 18:51:46 -0700, John Kane wrote:

On Apr 19, 7:45 pm, Larry Bud wrote:
"The U.S. is not the only country in which random acts of gun violence
have erupted in seemingly everyday circumstances to destroy lives,
families and communities," said Britain's Guardian newspaper. "But the
U.S. is one of the few countries that seems collectively unwilling and
politically incapable of doing anything serious to stop such things
happening again."The slayings Monday at Virginia Tech reinforced a
perception that in the U.S., it is "as easy to buy weapons as a loaf
of bread," in the words of one Russian woman on a Moscow street. "Any
madman can get hold of a gun," said Natalya Ivanova, a 22-year-old
secretary.

The murder rate outside of the inner cities in the US is very close to
the murder rate in Britain, and the inner cities are usually the areas
with the most constrictive gun laws.
^ restrictive ?

Good. Quarantine the inner cities , have custom checks and body
searches on everyone entering or leaving the inner cities and get back
to us. The arguement is idiotic. If I can buy a gun in Virginia or
Maryland and take the Metro back to DC. then the law is useless.

Predictably, you miss the point.

The point is, the vast majority of law-abiding people in this
country should not have their rights taken away in some vain attempt
to control the behavior of the monkeys in our ghettos.

By definition, only the criminals in DC have guns. Where /
how they got them is not the issue. The issue is that law-abiding
peole have been defacto unilaterally disarmed. Thus, the little
gang-bangers and other deviants have free reign, knowing that no
law-abiding person has the ability to shoot back, which makes them
safer targets.



John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

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On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:19:17 GMT, Outback Jon
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 23:08:32 GMT, Outback Jon
wrote:
Besides, anyone else remember the stories of how difficult it was to buy
a loaf of bread in the old Soviet Union?

I heard it was pretty easy, as long as you didn't mind
standing in line for 4 days for 1/4 loaf of week old bread, and your
sister was sleeping with the local Commisar :-)


Hehe - 4 day waiting period for bread. Guess it cut down on the crime
committed with said bread...

It increased the general loafing considerably, though.


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On Apr 19, 11:29 am, "Bill Sornson" wrote:

Heaven knows the criminals will abide by laws and regulations. (Or, just
use gasoline and fertilizer.)
Actually, it is 6% diesel fuel.
And you can't use ammonium nitrate fertilizer, it is coated to prevent
moisture absorbtion.
And once you buy the uncoated variety, you must immediately mix and
explode with a blasting cap.
You wait one week, and you get duds like the follow up to the London
bombings.

On 19 Apr 2007 13:54:14 -0700, donquijote1954
wrote:

OK, now we got to work on a holster that works for bikes. Having them
neatly packed around the thighs make them particularly practical and
ready to draw...

http://www.findcoolclothes.com/produ...ntholsters.jpg

One of those, with the factory mounting bracket as shown,
would work nicely. Of course, there might be a tendency to fumble
around a bit looking for your weapon ...



Or perhaps we can make some attached to the helmet, the gun triggered
by remote control from the handlebar. I wished they could be activated
by thoughts and emotions, in which case I'd become very trigger happy.

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On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:20:43 -0400, Polarhound
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Ah, but consistenly in second place to Washington DC, where
they are even MORE banned :-)

Thankfully, that is now in the process of changing:

WASHINGTON (AP) - A federal appeals court overturned the District of
Columbia's long- standing handgun ban Friday, rejecting the city's
argument that the Second Amendment right to bear arms applied only to
militias.

In a 2-1 decision, the judges held that the activities protected by the
Second Amendment "are not limited to militia service, nor is an
individual's enjoyment of the right contingent" on enrollment in a militia.

The ban on owning handguns went into effect in 1976.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit also
threw out the district's requirement that registered firearms be kept
unloaded, disassembled and under trigger lock.

Sadly, there's another story that most people aren't aware of.
I've spoken personally with the lead plaintiff's attorney in the case
about it.

The ALLEGEDLY pro-gun lobby, such as the NRA, etc, are trying
to derail it. Senator Hutchinson is part of the plan. She's
introducing a bill, to be called S - 1001 ( there is already an
equivalent bill in the House ) to repeal the DC gun laws.

This is a TERRIBLE thing. Why ?

Because if the bill passes and gets signed, the Parker suit
become moot. Null and void. Meaningless. Which means it never gets
to the SCOTUS. Which means it is only precedent in DC, not the rest
of the country.

The people pushing these bills KNOW this, and they don't WANT
SCOTUS to uphold the 2nd amendment. WHy ? That would take one of
their favorite political footballs away from them, and they couldn't
play with it any more.


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On Apr 19, 11:34 am, donquijote1954
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I guess we cyclists are too pacific for that (or just that we aren't
Republicans),

I am not a republican. I am not a democrat. If you choose one over
the other, you are just proving to the rest of the world that you are
a sheep and can't think for yourself.

I think everyone should have a gun.

bob z.

On 20 Apr 2007 05:18:40 -0700, bob zee wrote:

On Apr 19, 11:34 am, donquijote1954
wrote:

I guess we cyclists are too pacific for that (or just that we aren't
Republicans),

You probably like spinach pizza, too.



I am not a republican. I am not a democrat. If you choose one over
the other, you are just proving to the rest of the world that you are
a sheep and can't think for yourself.

I think everyone should have a gun.

bob z.

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On Apr 19, 9:34 am, donquijote1954
wrote:
Hey, we get screamed at, doored at, spitted upon, pushed around and
even killed, isn't it time we enjoy the same benefits as other
Americans? When is a cyclist going into a rage and mow down all those
careless SUV drivers who make us feel worthless?

Imagine this scenario: You get hit and as you roll down the pavement
you draw and...

I guess we cyclists are too pacific for that (or just that we aren't
Republicans), but in light of all that violence out there, shouldn't
we rethink our strategy (everyone to himself) and get together to
launch a good nonviolent campaign?

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Still Bush defends the right to bear arms

EVEN as President George Bush told the nation he was praying for the
victims, and that the killings in a place of learning would affect
"every American classroom and community", a White House official said
Mr Bush continued to believe in the "right to bear arms".

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I think there are way to many guns, way to easy to get them BUT they
are there and are not going to go away but a clearly insane person
like Cho should not have been able to buy a gun..THAT needs to be
fixed somehow.

On 19 Apr 2007 13:33:35 -0700, donquijote1954
wrote:

Here in the gun happy U.S. we have at least a couple of mass shootings
per year.

A lie, of course.

We are not the only one, but we are #1in gun violence... It's "as easy
to buy weapons as a loaf of bread," says this article that gauges
world opinion...

No, we're not, although we are perhaps #1 in reported gun violence.
There are cities in the world with violent death rates from hand guns
projected from reliable sources as matching Bagdad - its just they
don't do daily reports on the death rates from police, adult gangs and
youth gangs. Google the history of Rio de Janeiro and gun violence
from all sides.

Sanctioned gun violence is out of hand in the U.S. as well - and as
reported by the conservative side of the think tanks - but at least
most of it is reported. If you think sanctioned gun violence by police
and paramilitary units are even reported in much of SA, you are living
in a fool's paradise. Then you can work on figuring out the level of
criminal violence.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

bob zee wrote:
On Apr 19, 11:34 am, donquijote1954
wrote:

I guess we cyclists are too pacific for that (or just that we aren't
Republicans),

I am not a republican. I am not a democrat. If you choose one over
the other, you are just proving to the rest of the world that you are
a sheep and can't think for yourself.

I think everyone should have a gun.

bob z.

I'm a Democrat at heart but it should be legal to at least carry a .22
pistol for the occasional big out of control dog who is determined to
take a bite out of your leg. If it is out of it's yard it is fair game.
I've been bitten twice so far and in one case a gun would have been no
use but in the other incident way out in the country there would have
been one less dog.
Bill Baka