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  #61  
Old April 28th 19, 11:15 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
jOHN b.
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On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 07:51:07 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-04-27 15:51, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 07:54:56 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-04-26 16:24, Roger Merriman wrote:
Joerg wrote:
On 2019-04-25 15:48, Roger Merriman wrote:
Joerg wrote:

[...]



It often takes the bicycle industry decades longer to figure something
out. Such as decent heavy-duty rack space on FS MTB and central-battery
powered lighting where, no surprise, I had to build it all myself. Beats
me why one still cannot buy this:

http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/Muddy5.JPG

Probably because if your using the bike differently to others, my commute
bike though a hardtail is closer to that set up with panniers and a barbag
as I found the weight on the rear effected the handling though with the
weight spread even fully Laden the bike can be some fun in the woods if one
wants.

But for the Nice MTB I don’t need to take so much gear and as a leisure
rather than transport it’s a much nicer ride unladen.


Even during fun rides I carry a full tool kit, a big lock, some spare
parts and most of all water. The water alone can be north of a gallon in
summer because many MTB trails have no opportunity to refill (safely).

How often or likely is a full tool kit needed? Personally I do take some
Allen keys but can’t remember the last time they where needed.


You could have asked the guy whose shifter cable snapped and the limit
screws had Allen heads so were not adjustable via Swiss Army knife.


Err... the five Allan wrenches that I carry allow me to tighten or
loosen every threaded fastener on the bike and weigh considerably less
than a "Swiss Army Knife". ...



If you have the right size among them. I like to have it all. Now in the
shape of a Crankbrothers M19 tool which ... drum roll ... even contains
a chain breaker.

If they have the right size? Allan wrenches are normally sold in sets
(several different sizes) so one can just select the ones that do fit
and carry them :-)

https://www.crankbrothers.com/products/m19

Plus a Swiss Army knife. Always. And a first aid kit. And a lock. And ...


... But of course I can't fight off a raging
mountain lion with my Allan wrench....


Or a rattlesnake. The other shortcoming of Allen wrenches is that they
do not have a bottle opener or corkscrew. They also lack a can opener,
for example, if you like to have anchovies on your sandwich.


Good Lord! You say that you are riding a bicycle, not on some sort of
odyssey where one needs to carry provisions. Just eat, than ride, than
eat when you get home again. I used to do 4 to 6 hour rides without
stopping for lunch. You obviously can't do this on tea and toast but a
good breakfast should see you through to lunch. Or at least it used to
back in the day when farmers actually worked all day :-)

--
cheers,

John B.

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  #62  
Old April 28th 19, 11:17 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
jOHN b.
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On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 10:58:16 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 4/28/2019 9:51 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-04-27 15:51, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 07:54:56 -0700, Joerg

wrote:

On 2019-04-26 16:24, Roger Merriman wrote:
Joerg wrote:
On 2019-04-25 15:48, Roger Merriman wrote:
Joerg wrote:

[...]



It often takes the bicycle industry decades longer to
figure something
out. Such as decent heavy-duty rack space on FS MTB
and central-battery
powered lighting where, no surprise, I had to build
it all myself. Beats
me why one still cannot buy this:

http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/Muddy5.JPG

Probably because if your using the bike differently to
others, my commute
bike though a hardtail is closer to that set up with
panniers and a barbag
as I found the weight on the rear effected the
handling though with the
weight spread even fully Laden the bike can be some
fun in the woods if one
wants.

But for the Nice MTB I don’t need to take so much gear
and as a leisure
rather than transport it’s a much nicer ride unladen.


Even during fun rides I carry a full tool kit, a big
lock, some spare
parts and most of all water. The water alone can be
north of a gallon in
summer because many MTB trails have no opportunity to
refill (safely).

How often or likely is a full tool kit needed?
Personally I do take some
Allen keys but can’t remember the last time they where
needed.


You could have asked the guy whose shifter cable snapped
and the limit
screws had Allen heads so were not adjustable via Swiss
Army knife.

Err... the five Allan wrenches that I carry allow me to
tighten or
loosen every threaded fastener on the bike and weigh
considerably less
than a "Swiss Army Knife". ...



If you have the right size among them. I like to have it
all. Now in the shape of a Crankbrothers M19 tool which ...
drum roll ... even contains a chain breaker.

https://www.crankbrothers.com/products/m19

Plus a Swiss Army knife. Always. And a first aid kit. And a
lock. And ...


... But of course I can't fight off a
raging
mountain lion with my Allan wrench....


Or a rattlesnake. The other shortcoming of Allen wrenches is
that they do not have a bottle opener or corkscrew. They
also lack a can opener, for example, if you like to have
anchovies on your sandwich.


You can't foresee every potential hazard. Ride with a snake
bite kit, Narcan, Cipro, a pistol, flares, iodine tablets?
Sheesh I don't. As the great sage Willie Dixon wrote about a
$50 bill, "Grant will get you out of whatever you're in".
Traveling light works for me, YMMV.


It does for most people... but of course you are not pioneering a path
through the forest primeval where cows and horses play.
--
cheers,

John B.

  #63  
Old April 28th 19, 11:19 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
jOHN b.
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On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 09:51:42 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-04-28 08:58, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/28/2019 9:51 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-04-27 15:51, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 07:54:56 -0700, Joerg

wrote:

On 2019-04-26 16:24, Roger Merriman wrote:
Joerg wrote:
On 2019-04-25 15:48, Roger Merriman wrote:
Joerg wrote:

[...]



It often takes the bicycle industry decades longer to
figure something
out. Such as decent heavy-duty rack space on FS MTB
and central-battery
powered lighting where, no surprise, I had to build
it all myself. Beats
me why one still cannot buy this:

http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/Muddy5.JPG

Probably because if your using the bike differently to
others, my commute
bike though a hardtail is closer to that set up with
panniers and a barbag
as I found the weight on the rear effected the
handling though with the
weight spread even fully Laden the bike can be some
fun in the woods if one
wants.

But for the Nice MTB I don’t need to take so much gear
and as a leisure
rather than transport it’s a much nicer ride unladen.


Even during fun rides I carry a full tool kit, a big
lock, some spare
parts and most of all water. The water alone can be
north of a gallon in
summer because many MTB trails have no opportunity to
refill (safely).

How often or likely is a full tool kit needed?
Personally I do take some
Allen keys but can’t remember the last time they where
needed.


You could have asked the guy whose shifter cable snapped
and the limit
screws had Allen heads so were not adjustable via Swiss
Army knife.

Err... the five Allan wrenches that I carry allow me to
tighten or
loosen every threaded fastener on the bike and weigh
considerably less
than a "Swiss Army Knife". ...


If you have the right size among them. I like to have it
all. Now in the shape of a Crankbrothers M19 tool which ...
drum roll ... even contains a chain breaker.

https://www.crankbrothers.com/products/m19

Plus a Swiss Army knife. Always. And a first aid kit. And a
lock. And ...


... But of course I can't fight off a
raging
mountain lion with my Allan wrench....


Or a rattlesnake. The other shortcoming of Allen wrenches is
that they do not have a bottle opener or corkscrew. They
also lack a can opener, for example, if you like to have
anchovies on your sandwich.


You can't foresee every potential hazard. Ride with a snake bite kit,
Narcan, Cipro, a pistol, flares, iodine tablets? Sheesh I don't.



I know I should have added a smiley.


... As the
great sage Willie Dixon wrote about a $50 bill, "Grant will get you out
of whatever you're in". Traveling light works for me, YMMV.


That part of my baggage is for beer. Strictly beer. And maybe a pretzel
with Obatzda or at least some melted cheese.

So you are a lush that can't function for even a short time without a
drink?
--
cheers,

John B.

  #64  
Old April 28th 19, 11:24 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
jOHN b.
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On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 07:55:32 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-04-27 15:33, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 07:27:33 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-04-26 16:20, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 26 Apr 2019 07:40:39 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-04-25 16:27, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 12:22:41 -0700, Joerg
wrote:


[...]


It's lasted many thousand hard miles now which included heavy loads.
Yeah, that bike is heavy but it never breaks down anymore.

The carbon-fiber bicycles are so popular is because they are light :-)

I doubt that marketing a bike because it is heavier than all the rest
would be a real smart marketing move :-)


No, it has to be marketed as sturdier than the others. That gets
customers. Why do you think heavy SUVs sell so well in some areas?

The reason that USV's were invented was to circumvent U.S.
regulations about fuel economy (if I remember correctly). By building
a vehicle on a truck chassis and classifying it as a truck the fuel
consumption limits for automobiles didn't apply.


That sounds like fake news. My SUV is classified as a passenger vehicle,
else it would require a different kind of license plate like the pickup
truck of a neighbor does. He also has to pay more tax on it.


No it isn't. I was alive and well when the SUV's were "invented" and
it was common knowledge then. the first vehicle stated to be a SYV
seems to have been the International Harvester Travelall in 1956
(credited as being the first full-size SUV).

Even the Wiki seems to know why the term and model came about,
"For example, Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) regulations
previously included "permit greater cargo-carrying capacity than
passenger carrying volume" in the definition for trucks, resulting in
SUVs being classified as light trucks.

This classification as trucks allowed SUVs to be regulated less
strictly than passenger cars under the Energy Policy and Conservation
Act for fuel economy, and the Clean Air Act for emissions.

Even a casual look would have let you in on the secret .


Why do you think the Ford Ranger is out of favor? AFAIK that size does
not fall under CAFE loophole and that's the size of many modern SUV
(such as mine).


The point is that you believed that my statement that SUV's evolved to
avoid fuel consumption laws was incorrect and I proved that what I
said was correct.

Now you are off on a tangent about Fords. Which have nothing to do
with the subject... that you didn't know why SUV's originally came
about haven't even tried to find out before branding my true
statement as false news.
--
cheers,

John B.

  #65  
Old April 28th 19, 11:29 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 15:01:56 +0000 (UTC), David Scheidt
wrote:

John B. wrote:
:On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 07:27:33 -0700, Joerg
:wrote:

:On 2019-04-26 16:20, John B. wrote:
: On Fri, 26 Apr 2019 07:40:39 -0700, Joerg
: wrote:
:
: On 2019-04-25 16:27, John B. wrote:
: On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 12:22:41 -0700, Joerg
: wrote:
:
:
:[...]
:
:
: It's lasted many thousand hard miles now which included heavy loads.
: Yeah, that bike is heavy but it never breaks down anymore.
:
: The carbon-fiber bicycles are so popular is because they are light :-)
:
: I doubt that marketing a bike because it is heavier than all the rest
: would be a real smart marketing move :-)
:
:
: No, it has to be marketed as sturdier than the others. That gets
: customers. Why do you think heavy SUVs sell so well in some areas?
:
: The reason that USV's were invented was to circumvent U.S.
: regulations about fuel economy (if I remember correctly). By building
: a vehicle on a truck chassis and classifying it as a truck the fuel
: consumption limits for automobiles didn't apply.
:
:
:That sounds like fake news. My SUV is classified as a passenger vehicle,
:else it would require a different kind of license plate like the pickup
:truck of a neighbor does. He also has to pay more tax on it.

:No it isn't. I was alive and well when the SUV's were "invented" and
:it was common knowledge then. the first vehicle stated to be a SYV
:seems to have been the International Harvester Travelall in 1956
credited as being the first full-size SUV).

Land-Rover were selling long wheelbase models with station wagon
bodies before that.


Several companies built things that could have been called SUV's but
they weren't. The first "SUV's" were invented - a pickup frame and
running gear with a car body - specifically to evade U.S. regulations
about fuel consumption.
--
cheers,

John B.

  #66  
Old April 29th 19, 12:42 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 15:15:48 -0700, John B.
wrote:

Good Lord! You say that you are riding a bicycle, not on some sort of
odyssey where one needs to carry provisions. Just eat, than ride, than
eat when you get home again. I used to do 4 to 6 hour rides without
stopping for lunch. You obviously can't do this on tea and toast but a
good breakfast should see you through to lunch. Or at least it used to
back in the day when farmers actually worked all day :-)


I have to be fed every four hours. It was worse when I weighed a
hundred and twenty on a frame that now carries a hundred and sixty
pounds and a lot less muscle -- I had to keep a hard candy in my mouth
most of the time that I was riding, or I'd feel like a puppet with cut
strings when I got off the bike at home.

But I've never carried any more emergency food than I can close my
hand around. (Food bars and snack sticks, mostly.)

Somebody on our tour from Albany, New York, to Warsaw, Indiana, had
ramen-noodle in his panniers, but it wasn't me and I don't recall that
we ever ate it. (We slept in some odd places, but there was always a
place to eat.) I was travelling with three people who ate only at
suppertime; my solution was to keep a box of dried fruit or the like
in my handlebar bag and snack whenever we paused. The night that I
realized that I couldn't go on eating both my meals and their meals,
they thought I'd taken sick!

The hotels would have to be a lot closer together if I attempted that
ride today.

--
Joy Beeson
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Old April 29th 19, 12:48 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 19:42:11 -0400, Joy Beeson
wrote:

On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 15:15:48 -0700, John B.
wrote:

Good Lord! You say that you are riding a bicycle, not on some sort of
odyssey where one needs to carry provisions. Just eat, than ride, than
eat when you get home again. I used to do 4 to 6 hour rides without
stopping for lunch. You obviously can't do this on tea and toast but a
good breakfast should see you through to lunch. Or at least it used to
back in the day when farmers actually worked all day :-)


I have to be fed every four hours. It was worse when I weighed a
hundred and twenty on a frame that now carries a hundred and sixty
pounds and a lot less muscle -- I had to keep a hard candy in my mouth
most of the time that I was riding, or I'd feel like a puppet with cut
strings when I got off the bike at home.


Really? I ask as my wife (75 years, 5'4", ~65 kg.) eats two meals a
day and seems to get along pretty well. But she is a Buddhist and one
of the Buddhists beliefs is that gluttony is a sin :-)

--
cheers,

John B.

  #68  
Old April 29th 19, 03:03 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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On 4/28/2019 7:42 PM, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 15:15:48 -0700, John B.
wrote:

Good Lord! You say that you are riding a bicycle, not on some sort of
odyssey where one needs to carry provisions. Just eat, than ride, than
eat when you get home again. I used to do 4 to 6 hour rides without
stopping for lunch. You obviously can't do this on tea and toast but a
good breakfast should see you through to lunch. Or at least it used to
back in the day when farmers actually worked all day :-)


I have to be fed every four hours. It was worse when I weighed a
hundred and twenty on a frame that now carries a hundred and sixty
pounds and a lot less muscle -- I had to keep a hard candy in my mouth
most of the time that I was riding, or I'd feel like a puppet with cut
strings when I got off the bike at home.

But I've never carried any more emergency food than I can close my
hand around. (Food bars and snack sticks, mostly.)


Back when I would ride centuries at the drop of a hat, or even ride them
accidentally, I was in the habit of munching peanuts and raisins every
hour or so. I kept a baggie full of the mix in my handlebar bag. I'd
also set my watch to beep every ten minutes, to remind me to take a swig
of water.

I've since gotten out of both habits. The munching snacks are still in
my handlebar bag, and my water bottles are in their cages, but I'm not
ad disciplined about partaking.

Maybe if I did that again, I'd be able to do the mileage I once did? But
sadly, I doubt it. :-(

--
- Frank Krygowski
  #69  
Old April 29th 19, 04:45 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 29/4/19 6:12 am, jbeattie wrote:


I've broken four or five Campy NR cranks, two or three Shimano
Ultegra cranks, an Ofmega track crank, an old Stronglight 93. I had
two CF cranks with pedal eyes that cracked and separated from the CF
layup (SRAM Red and FSA). I bent first generation Dura Ace/Look
pedal spindle, snapped a Ti ER platform pedal spindle, snapped a
spindle on a Look pedal. I broke chains, but usually because I had
been sloppy reinstalling a pin or because a shift side-loaded a quick
link. Conventional drive trains can and do break. I've scootered home
or to the nearest bike shop or hitch-hiked (broken
too-light-for-touring 5sp chain in the middle of nowhere Washington)
too many times. BTW, none of those failures landed me on the road,
even though all of the crank failures were during out of the saddle
efforts.


I think you should try to write that as a song, like the 12 days of
Christmas.

I haven't broken that many bits. Handlebars, BB axle, a couple of
pedals and a fork steerer - but in recent years I've seen a few broken
chains happen and zero broken cranks. Whether it is a symptom of narrow
chains and special joining pins and such, I can't say, but chains seem
to be a bit vulnerable. I managed to break a budget quick link, but
that has been the only chain problem for me. Using Connex quick links
have been fine.


--
JS
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Old April 29th 19, 07:26 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Saturday, April 27, 2019 at 9:12:38 AM UTC-5, Joerg wrote:

Chains usually do not snap without some serious lack of maintenance or
running them way past prime. Never heard of a driveshaft break except
once on a heavy vehicle (bus). Belts usually snap out of the blue.


I've been on two rides where bicycle chains broke. One was mine. Hit a small bump/curb on the trail when crossing a street and the chain jumped off its cogs/pulleys/rings and got lodged somehow and it broke when I started pedaling again. Used the chain tool to remove the broken link and put in one of the quick links to reconnect everything. Other time was on a group ride and one of the riders broke his chain. I used my chain tool to remove the broken link and gave him my quick link to put everything back together. Took a few minutes on the side of the road to get everything working again.. But it was all resolved successfully. So people who think chains don't break on rides are living in some make believe fantasy land.





As for cranks a friend of mine had an expensive Campagnolo crank break
and it was clearly a manufacturing defect but they refused to even do a
warranty exchange. He landed towards the middle of the road but luckily
no cars came along.

--
Regards, Joerg

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