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Old February 22nd 21, 12:55 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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The full video was posted in the Pass wide and slow Facebook group (link is external), who say they are a "group to TRY educating drivers on how and why to pass horses." This driver got in between the support cyclist and horse rider before having a look at overtaking, but thankfully waits when a car coming in the opposite direction appears around the bend. In the end the horse rider signals they are turning right and the driver stays where they are.

In the video, a man in the vehicle following can be heard saying to ring the windows and doors company whose van it appears to be. Under the video, Laura Jenkins replied: "I was actually more concerned for the cyclist. The driver passed them too close and totally cut them up and pulled in front of them."

Bob Jewell also pointed out "He overtook the cyclist at the central reservation, means he did not give her enough safe room. As well as being too close to the horse."

https://road.cc/content/news/cycling...log-item-22871

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Old February 22nd 21, 01:36 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 22/02/2021 11:55, wrote:
The full video was posted in the Pass wide and slow Facebook group (link is external), who say they are a "group to TRY educating drivers on how and why to pass horses." This driver got in between the support cyclist and horse rider before having a look at overtaking, but thankfully waits when a car coming in the opposite direction appears around the bend. In the end the horse rider signals they are turning right and the driver stays where they are.

In the video, a man in the vehicle following can be heard saying to ring the windows and doors company whose van it appears to be. Under the video, Laura Jenkins replied: "I was actually more concerned for the cyclist. The driver passed them too close and totally cut them up and pulled in front of them."

Bob Jewell also pointed out "He overtook the cyclist at the central reservation, means he did not give her enough safe room. As well as being too close to the horse."

https://road.cc/content/news/cycling...log-item-22871


Don't forget, drivers when wishing to overtake have precedence and are
at liberty to ignore any other highway code rule!


2.Overtaking

Rule 162.
Before overtaking you should make sure
● the road is sufficiently clear ahead
● road users are not beginning to overtake you
● there is a suitable gap in front of the road user you plan to
overtake.

Rule 163.
Overtake only when it is safe and legal to do so. You should
● not get too close to the vehicle you intend to overtake
● use your mirrors, signal when it is safe to do so, take a quick
sideways glance if necessary into the blind spot area and
then start to move out
● not assume that you can simply follow a vehicle ahead which
is overtaking; there may only be enough room for one
vehicle
● move quickly past the vehicle you are overtaking, once you
have started to overtake. Allow plenty of room. Move back
to the left as soon as you can but do not cut in
● take extra care at night and in poor visibility when it is
harder to judge speed and distance
● give way to oncoming vehicles before passing parked
vehicles or other obstructions on your side of the road

● only overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signalling to
turn right, and there is room to do so
● stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the
queue on your right is moving more slowly than you are, you
may pass on the left
● give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much
room as you would when overtaking a car (see Rules 211 to
213 and 214 to 215).
Remember: Mirrors – Signal – Manoeuvre
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Old February 22nd 21, 02:46 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 22/02/2021 11:55, wrote:
The full video was posted in the Pass wide and slow Facebook group
(link is external),

https://road.cc/content/news/cycling...log-item-22871


Sorry, what is the problem?

At the start of the video the van was ahead of the cyclist with its
wheels over the white line before it reached the island.
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Old February 22nd 21, 03:01 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 1:46:43 PM UTC, TMS320 wrote:
On 22/02/2021 11:55, wrote:
The full video was posted in the Pass wide and slow Facebook group
(link is external),

https://road.cc/content/news/cycling...log-item-22871


Sorry, what is the problem?

At the start of the video the van was ahead of the cyclist with its
wheels over the white line before it reached the island.


130
Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road. These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning right.

If the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary.
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Old February 22nd 21, 04:21 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 22/02/2021 12:36 pm, colwyn wrote:
On 22/02/2021 11:55, wrote:
The full video was posted in the Pass wide and slow Facebook group
(link is external), who say they are a "group to TRY educating drivers
on how and why to pass horses." This driver got in between the support
cyclist and horse rider before having a look at overtaking, but
thankfully waits when a car coming in the opposite direction appears
around the bend. In the end the horse rider signals they are turning
right and the driver stays where they are.

In the video, a man in the vehicle following can be heard saying to
ring the windows and doors company whose van it appears to be. Under
the video, Laura Jenkins replied: "I was actually more concerned for
the cyclist. The driver passed them too close and totally cut them up
and pulled in front of them."

Bob Jewell also pointed out "He overtook the cyclist at the central
reservation, means he did not give her enough safe room. As well as
being too close to the horse."

https://road.cc/content/news/cycling...log-item-22871


Don't forget, drivers when wishing to overtake have precedence and are
at liberty to ignore any other highway code rule!


2.Overtaking

Rule 162.
Before overtaking you should make sure
● the road is sufficiently clear ahead
● road users are not beginning to overtake you
● there is a suitable gap in front of the road user you plan to
overtake.

Rule 163.
Overtake only when it is safe and legal to do so. You should
● not get too close to the vehicle you intend to overtake
● use your mirrors, signal when it is safe to do so, take a quick
sideways glance if necessary into the blind spot area and
then start to move out
● not assume that you can simply follow a vehicle ahead which
is overtaking; there may only be enough room for one
vehicle
● move quickly past the vehicle you are overtaking, once you
have started to overtake. Allow plenty of room. Move back
to the left as soon as you can but do not cut in
● take extra care at night and in poor visibility when it is
harder to judge speed and distance
● give way to oncoming vehicles before passing parked
vehicles or other obstructions on your side of the road

● only overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signalling to
turn right, and there is room to do so
● stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the
queue on your right is moving more slowly than you are, you
may pass on the left
● give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much
room as you would when overtaking a car (see Rules 211 to
213 and 214 to 215).
Remember: Mirrors – Signal – Manoeuvre


Don't forget though: horses, now matter how well-trained and apparently
docile, are dumb animals.

One rightly expects less from them than one has a right to expect from
human cyclists and so should exercise more caution around horses.

I hope I'm not wrong about cyclists being more intelligent and less
unpredictable than horses.

And I don't think I am wrong about that.

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Old February 22nd 21, 06:16 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 22/02/2021 14:01, wrote:
On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 1:46:43 PM UTC, TMS320 wrote:
On 22/02/2021 11:55, wrote:
The full video was posted in the Pass wide and slow Facebook
group (link is external),

https://road.cc/content/news/cycling...log-item-22871



Sorry, what is the problem?

At the start of the video the van was ahead of the cyclist with its
wheels over the white line before it reached the island.


130 Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road.
These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning
right.

If the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter
the area unless it is necessary.


Guidance, not rule. I still don't understand the problem.
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Old February 22nd 21, 06:18 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 5:16:20 PM UTC, TMS320 wrote:
On 22/02/2021 14:01, wrote:
On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 1:46:43 PM UTC, TMS320 wrote:
On 22/02/2021 11:55, wrote:
The full video was posted in the Pass wide and slow Facebook
group (link is external),

https://road.cc/content/news/cycling...log-item-22871


Sorry, what is the problem?

At the start of the video the van was ahead of the cyclist with its
wheels over the white line before it reached the island.


130 Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road.
These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning
right.

If the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter
the area unless it is necessary.

Guidance, not rule. I still don't understand the problem.


An eye witness, who was actually there said:

Laura Jenkins replied: "I was actually more concerned for the cyclist. The driver passed them too close and totally cut them up and pulled in front of them."

Bob Jewell also pointed out "He overtook the cyclist at the central reservation, means he did not give her enough safe room. As well as being too close to the horse."
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Old February 23rd 21, 11:31 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 22/02/2021 17:18, wrote:
On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 5:16:20 PM UTC, TMS320 wrote:
On 22/02/2021 14:01, wrote:
On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 1:46:43 PM UTC, TMS320 wrote:
On 22/02/2021 11:55, wrote:
The full video was posted in the Pass wide and slow Facebook
group (link is external),

https://road.cc/content/news/cycling...log-item-22871




Sorry, what is the problem?

At the start of the video the van was ahead of the cyclist with
its wheels over the white line before it reached the island.

130 Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the
road. These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic
turning right.

If the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not
enter the area unless it is necessary.


Guidance, not rule. I still don't understand the problem.


An eye witness, who was actually there said:

Laura Jenkins replied: "I was actually more concerned for the
cyclist. The driver passed them too close and totally cut them up and
pulled in front of them."

Bob Jewell also pointed out "He overtook the cyclist at the central
reservation, means he did not give her enough safe room. As well as
being too close to the horse."


A video clip that can be examined in slow time is a more reliable
witness. If you have a camera, you must have replayed things and noticed
things you missed at the time.
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Old February 23rd 21, 12:31 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 10:31:43 AM UTC, TMS320 wrote:

A video clip that can be examined in slow time is a more reliable
witness. If you have a camera, you must have replayed things and noticed
things you missed at the time.


A few newspaper photographers and their editors were reported to the Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO) for using lenses that showed cyclists being "bunched up" when they were in fact well socially distanced.

QUOTE:
The body upheld a complaint about the use of a photo that gave a distorted impression of the distance between cyclists, concluding it was clear they were actually at least two metres apart.

https://road.cc/content/news/mirror-...rs-code-280689

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Old February 24th 21, 10:01 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 23/02/2021 11:31, wrote:
On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 10:31:43 AM UTC, TMS320 wrote:

A video clip that can be examined in slow time is a more reliable
witness. If you have a camera, you must have replayed things and
noticed things you missed at the time.


A few newspaper photographers and their editors were reported to the
Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO) for using lenses
that showed cyclists being "bunched up" when they were in fact well
socially distanced.


The same as the views of beaches last summer. It's easy to work that
sort of thing out. Nothing like that here. The person on the bike
doesn't even behave as though under distress.
 




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