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On Aug 20, 5:46*pm, Kim Bolton wrote:
thirty-six wrote: On Aug 20, 3:53 pm, Kim Bolton wrote: thirty-six wrote: I think the introduction of the diamond framed safety bicycle along with pnuematic tyres and Bowden brakes were good ideas which have significantly improved the safety of bicycling and cycling generally. Performance and reliability improvements in bicycle technology hsve mesnt that with a well maintained bicycle, the safe keeping of the rider has never been so good, if it were not for motorised traffic operated by care;ess motorists. Cycling is inherently safe, it is only the criminal motorist which causes significant fluctuations in KSIs. Are you sure that cycling is 'inherently safe'? as houses. Don't 6000 people die each year due to accidents in the home? Saves the National Harm Service a bit of work, doesn't it. ISTR a cyclist died a few days ago because it appears he was going too fast and collided with something solid, and he certainly wasn't the only one to have dome this. was it a house? I think it was a tree, but he's just as dead either way. Trees tend not to be good for motorists. Another cyclist died when he placed himself in the blind spot of a large, stationary vehicle waiting to make a turn. so did someone move the blind spot? Whether it did or not, the cyclist is just as dead. Due to the movement of a motor-vehicle operated either without effectual observation or4 control, or something more sinister. Is any vehicle that needs propping up when stationary 'inherently safe'? much safer than a horse or any trap, coach or wagon connected to any horse(s). *. Do they need propping up when not in use? After two buckets of Best Bitter, it usually helps. Failure to observe is a common root of all unintentional collisions by motorists. And cyclists are exempt from this? No, but they are exempt from driver's legislation. Why? because they are not commercially operating a motor-vehicle. |
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On Aug 21, 6:56*am, Phil W Lee wrote:
Kim Bolton considered Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:46:22 +0100 the perfect time to write: thirty-six wrote: On Aug 20, 3:53*pm, Kim Bolton wrote: thirty-six wrote: I think the introduction of the diamond framed safety bicycle along with pnuematic tyres and Bowden brakes were good ideas which have significantly improved the safety of bicycling and cycling generally. * Performance and reliability improvements in bicycle technology hsve mesnt that with a well maintained bicycle, the safe keeping of the rider has never been so good, if it were not for motorised traffic operated by care;ess motorists. *Cycling is inherently safe, it is only the criminal motorist which causes significant fluctuations in KSIs. Are you sure that cycling is 'inherently safe'? as houses. Don't 6000 people die each year due to accidents in the home? So, far safer than houses. This has no relevance as most of the accidents in the home lack a second person perpetrator, unlike crashes on roads, which incidentally are not 'accidents'. Cycling would be incredibly safe if only there were no drivers. -- . A driving licence is sometimes a licence to kill. |
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On 21/08/2012 06:56, Phil W Lee wrote:
Kim Bolton considered Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:46:22 +0100 the perfect time to write: thirty-six wrote: On Aug 20, 3:53 pm, Kim Bolton wrote: thirty-six wrote: I think the introduction of the diamond framed safety bicycle along with pnuematic tyres and Bowden brakes were good ideas which have significantly improved the safety of bicycling and cycling generally. Performance and reliability improvements in bicycle technology hsve mesnt that with a well maintained bicycle, the safe keeping of the rider has never been so good, if it were not for motorised traffic operated by care;ess motorists. Cycling is inherently safe, it is only the criminal motorist which causes significant fluctuations in KSIs. Are you sure that cycling is 'inherently safe'? as houses. Don't 6000 people die each year due to accidents in the home? So, far safer than houses. 26.3 million dwellings in the UK. How many cyclists? -- Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their lives, certainly on a regular basis." |
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Doug wrote: Cycling would be incredibly safe if only there were no drivers. Walking would be incredibly safe if it wasn't for cyclists. Yet another that obviouly knows more about walking from newspaper reports than actually walking. |
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On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:01:58 AM UTC+1, DavidR wrote:
"Kim Bolton" wrote Doug wrote: Cycling would be incredibly safe if only there were no drivers. Walking would be incredibly safe if it wasn't for cyclists. Yet another that obviouly knows more about walking from newspaper reports than actually walking. His knuckles would scrape on the pavement if he walked. |
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DavidR wrote: "Kim Bolton" wrote Doug wrote: Cycling would be incredibly safe if only there were no drivers. Walking would be incredibly safe if it wasn't for cyclists. Yet another that obviouly knows more about walking from newspaper reports than actually walking. Yet another that obviously knows more about cycling from newspaper reports than actually cycling. What false impression do you think I have got from reading newspapers about cycling - given I made no mention of cycling? As far as I am concerned, almost the single most important thing to take into consideration when walking is motor traffic. Let concentration slip and... Cyclists require very little attention. I suggest that anybody that dismisses the continuous hazard of motor traffic and complains about an occasional person on a bike can't spend much time on foot. |
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On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:01:58 AM UTC+1, DavidR wrote: "Kim Bolton" wrote Doug wrote: Cycling would be incredibly safe if only there were no drivers. Walking would be incredibly safe if it wasn't for cyclists. Yet another that obviouly knows more about walking from newspaper reports than actually walking. His knuckles would scrape on the pavement if he walked. There are definitely quite a few round these parts that struggle with the idea of balancing on two points. |
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"DavidR" wrote in message ... "Kim Bolton" wrote DavidR wrote: "Kim Bolton" wrote Doug wrote: Cycling would be incredibly safe if only there were no drivers. Walking would be incredibly safe if it wasn't for cyclists. Yet another that obviouly knows more about walking from newspaper reports than actually walking. Yet another that obviously knows more about cycling from newspaper reports than actually cycling. What false impression do you think I have got from reading newspapers about cycling - given I made no mention of cycling? As far as I am concerned, almost the single most important thing to take into consideration when walking is motor traffic. Let concentration slip and... Cyclists require very little attention. I suggest that anybody that dismisses the continuous hazard of motor traffic and complains about an occasional person on a bike can't spend much time on foot. Try crossing the road in London at pedestrian crossings. A fair proportion of cyclists there ignore the red lights. |
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On 21/08/2012 07:41, Doug wrote:
On Aug 21, 6:56 am, Phil W Lee wrote: Kim Bolton considered Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:46:22 +0100 the perfect time to write: thirty-six wrote: On Aug 20, 3:53 pm, Kim Bolton wrote: thirty-six wrote: I think the introduction of the diamond framed safety bicycle along with pnuematic tyres and Bowden brakes were good ideas which have significantly improved the safety of bicycling and cycling generally. Performance and reliability improvements in bicycle technology hsve mesnt that with a well maintained bicycle, the safe keeping of the rider has never been so good, if it were not for motorised traffic operated by care;ess motorists. Cycling is inherently safe, it is only the criminal motorist which causes significant fluctuations in KSIs. Are you sure that cycling is 'inherently safe'? as houses. Don't 6000 people die each year due to accidents in the home? So, far safer than houses. This has no relevance as most of the accidents in the home lack a second person perpetrator, unlike crashes on roads, which incidentally are not 'accidents'. Cycling would be incredibly safe if only there were no drivers. Cycling would be incredibly safe if cyclists kept off the roads. They are an insignificant minority of road users & should know their place. -- Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their lives, certainly on a regular basis." |
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