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Old August 20th 12, 06:27 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
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On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:25:17 +0100, Judith
wrote:

On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 11:47:21 GMT, (Cassandra)
wrote:

On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 12:27:47 +0100, Judith
wrote:




Do you perhaps think that cyclists are reporting more accidents compared with
pedestrians?

In my experience - a cyclist who is involved in an accident buggers off
smartish before the police arrive - I doubt if they are being public spirited
and reporting more of the accidents they cause.


And what is this experience pray tell ?



I have been hit myself whilst walking on the footpath - I have seen other
incidents between pedestrians and cyclists. On each occasion the cyclist
buggered off smartish.

I have also read numerous newspapers articles which confirm this view.

Thanks for the opportunity to explain: it's called an own-goal in the trade.

You also post articles gloating about dead and seriously injuried
cyclists who clearly didn't leave the scene of the accident pretty
sharpish.

It called the Belief Disconfirmation Paradigm theory of Cognitive
Dissonance in the trade

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Old August 21st 12, 12:33 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
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On Aug 20, 5:46*pm, Kim Bolton wrote:
thirty-six wrote:
On Aug 20, 3:53 pm, Kim Bolton wrote:
thirty-six wrote:
I think the introduction of the diamond framed safety bicycle along
with pnuematic tyres and Bowden brakes were good ideas which have
significantly improved the safety of bicycling and cycling
generally. Performance and reliability improvements in bicycle
technology hsve mesnt that with a well maintained bicycle, the safe
keeping of the rider has never been so good, if it were not for
motorised traffic operated by care;ess motorists. Cycling is
inherently safe, it is only the criminal motorist which causes
significant fluctuations in KSIs.


Are you sure that cycling is 'inherently safe'?


as houses.


Don't 6000 people die each year due to accidents in the home?


Saves the National Harm Service a bit of work, doesn't it.


ISTR a cyclist died a few days ago because it appears he was going too
fast and collided with something solid, and he certainly wasn't the
only one to have dome this.


was it a house?


I think it was a tree, but he's just as dead either way.


Trees tend not to be good for motorists.


Another cyclist died when he placed himself in the blind spot of a
large, stationary vehicle waiting to make a turn.


so did someone move the blind spot?


Whether it did or not, the cyclist is just as dead.


Due to the movement of a motor-vehicle operated either without
effectual observation or4 control, or something more sinister.


Is any vehicle that needs propping up when stationary 'inherently
safe'?


much safer than a horse or any trap, coach or wagon connected to any
horse(s). *.


Do they need propping up when not in use?


After two buckets of Best Bitter, it usually helps.


Failure to observe is a common root of all unintentional collisions by motorists.


And cyclists are exempt from this?


No, but they are exempt from driver's legislation.


Why?


because they are not commercially operating a motor-vehicle.
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Old August 21st 12, 07:41 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
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On Aug 21, 6:56*am, Phil W Lee wrote:
Kim Bolton considered Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:46:22
+0100 the perfect time to write:











thirty-six wrote:


On Aug 20, 3:53*pm, Kim Bolton wrote:
thirty-six wrote:
I think the introduction of the diamond framed safety bicycle along
with pnuematic tyres and Bowden brakes were good ideas which have
significantly improved the safety of bicycling and cycling
generally. * Performance and reliability improvements in bicycle
technology hsve mesnt that with a well maintained bicycle, the safe
keeping of the rider has never been so good, if it were not for
motorised traffic operated by care;ess motorists. *Cycling is
inherently safe, it is only the criminal motorist which causes
significant fluctuations in KSIs.


Are you sure that cycling is 'inherently safe'?


as houses.


Don't 6000 people die each year due to accidents in the home?


So, far safer than houses.



This has no relevance as most of the accidents in the home lack a
second person perpetrator, unlike crashes on roads, which incidentally
are not 'accidents'.

Cycling would be incredibly safe if only there were no drivers.

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A driving licence is sometimes a licence to kill.
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Old August 21st 12, 08:40 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
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On 21/08/2012 06:56, Phil W Lee wrote:
Kim Bolton considered Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:46:22
+0100 the perfect time to write:


thirty-six wrote:

On Aug 20, 3:53 pm, Kim Bolton wrote:
thirty-six wrote:
I think the introduction of the diamond framed safety bicycle along
with pnuematic tyres and Bowden brakes were good ideas which have
significantly improved the safety of bicycling and cycling
generally. Performance and reliability improvements in bicycle
technology hsve mesnt that with a well maintained bicycle, the safe
keeping of the rider has never been so good, if it were not for
motorised traffic operated by care;ess motorists. Cycling is
inherently safe, it is only the criminal motorist which causes
significant fluctuations in KSIs.

Are you sure that cycling is 'inherently safe'?

as houses.


Don't 6000 people die each year due to accidents in the home?


So, far safer than houses.




26.3 million dwellings in the UK. How many cyclists?





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legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster
University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking
and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail
to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their
lives, certainly on a regular basis."
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Old August 21st 12, 09:01 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
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"Kim Bolton" wrote

Doug wrote:

Cycling would be incredibly safe if only there were no drivers.


Walking would be incredibly safe if it wasn't for cyclists.


Yet another that obviouly knows more about walking from newspaper reports
than actually walking.


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Old August 21st 12, 12:15 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:01:58 AM UTC+1, DavidR wrote:
"Kim Bolton" wrote



Doug wrote:




Cycling would be incredibly safe if only there were no drivers.




Walking would be incredibly safe if it wasn't for cyclists.




Yet another that obviouly knows more about walking from newspaper reports

than actually walking.


His knuckles would scrape on the pavement if he walked.
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Old August 21st 12, 02:12 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
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"Kim Bolton" wrote
DavidR wrote:
"Kim Bolton" wrote
Doug wrote:

Cycling would be incredibly safe if only there were no drivers.

Walking would be incredibly safe if it wasn't for cyclists.


Yet another that obviouly knows more about walking from newspaper reports
than actually walking.


Yet another that obviously knows more about cycling from newspaper
reports than actually cycling.


What false impression do you think I have got from reading newspapers about
cycling - given I made no mention of cycling?

As far as I am concerned, almost the single most important thing to take
into consideration when walking is motor traffic. Let concentration slip
and... Cyclists require very little attention. I suggest that anybody that
dismisses the continuous hazard of motor traffic and complains about an
occasional person on a bike can't spend much time on foot.


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Old August 21st 12, 02:20 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:01:58 AM UTC+1, DavidR wrote:
"Kim Bolton" wrote
Doug wrote:


Cycling would be incredibly safe if only there were no drivers.


Walking would be incredibly safe if it wasn't for cyclists.


Yet another that obviouly knows more about walking from newspaper reports
than actually walking.


His knuckles would scrape on the pavement if he walked.


There are definitely quite a few round these parts that struggle with the
idea of balancing on two points.


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Old August 21st 12, 02:31 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
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"DavidR" wrote in message
...
"Kim Bolton" wrote
DavidR wrote:
"Kim Bolton" wrote
Doug wrote:

Cycling would be incredibly safe if only there were no drivers.

Walking would be incredibly safe if it wasn't for cyclists.

Yet another that obviouly knows more about walking from newspaper reports
than actually walking.


Yet another that obviously knows more about cycling from newspaper
reports than actually cycling.


What false impression do you think I have got from reading newspapers
about cycling - given I made no mention of cycling?

As far as I am concerned, almost the single most important thing to take
into consideration when walking is motor traffic. Let concentration slip
and... Cyclists require very little attention. I suggest that anybody that
dismisses the continuous hazard of motor traffic and complains about an
occasional person on a bike can't spend much time on foot.


Try crossing the road in London at pedestrian crossings. A fair proportion
of cyclists there ignore the red lights.

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Old August 21st 12, 06:06 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
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On 21/08/2012 07:41, Doug wrote:
On Aug 21, 6:56 am, Phil W Lee wrote:
Kim Bolton considered Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:46:22
+0100 the perfect time to write:











thirty-six wrote:


On Aug 20, 3:53 pm, Kim Bolton wrote:
thirty-six wrote:
I think the introduction of the diamond framed safety bicycle along
with pnuematic tyres and Bowden brakes were good ideas which have
significantly improved the safety of bicycling and cycling
generally. Performance and reliability improvements in bicycle
technology hsve mesnt that with a well maintained bicycle, the safe
keeping of the rider has never been so good, if it were not for
motorised traffic operated by care;ess motorists. Cycling is
inherently safe, it is only the criminal motorist which causes
significant fluctuations in KSIs.


Are you sure that cycling is 'inherently safe'?


as houses.


Don't 6000 people die each year due to accidents in the home?


So, far safer than houses.



This has no relevance as most of the accidents in the home lack a
second person perpetrator, unlike crashes on roads, which incidentally
are not 'accidents'.

Cycling would be incredibly safe if only there were no drivers.



Cycling would be incredibly safe if cyclists kept off the roads.
They are an insignificant minority of road users & should know their place.



--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster
University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking
and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail
to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their
lives, certainly on a regular basis."
 




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