Cyclists causing greenhouse effect

On 16/05/2015 14:15, Tarcap wrote:


"colwyn" wrote in message ...

On 16/05/2015 13:10, Tarcap wrote:


"colwyn" wrote in message ...

On 16/05/2015 11:58, JNugent wrote:
On 16/05/2015 11:09, colwyn wrote:
On 15/05/2015 20:17, The Medway Handyman wrote:


YOU SAID:
It certainly doesn't apply to 'any urban area'. I'll wager £1,000
that
a bicycle would lose on either of two urban area journeys of my choice.


I replied:
I would wager a bicycle to win on ANY route of MY choice!

I then showed an example of a clip to illustrate my point.
I could have chosen: Cycle path runs (part of which are in that video)
Bus Routes ( where push-bikes are permitted ) Short cuts on shared
path.
or legal filtering at busy times.

My point still stands and my "toy" would still get to MY destination
first!

I was left wondering, why anybody would want to challenge you (or
me) on
a skewed wager?

Excellent point.

The celebrated "Top Gear" commuter competitions were exactly that:
rigged.

Real commuter journeys don't start in inner-city locations and end at
other locations within the same inner-city. Or at least, the vast
majority don't.

Inner-city - I would venture, door to door, a bicycle would beat a car
on most up to 2-3 mile run. By the time you got your motor out of the
garage/ car park/ parking space next road and found parking space at
your destination I would be ready at work (for example)

Don't forget to factor in the showering/ changing time at the end of the
journey, though.
Or are you quite happy to share your Eau de polecat with your co-workers?

What? Building site/ Garbage disposal/ Water treatment / Chimney sweep/
Sewerage plant/ I am sure you find many more by typing " smelly jobs"
into Google.

But that is all part of that particular job. Sitting in an office (or
similar environment) next to someone smelling like a wildebeest is
definitely not.
It was you who generalised - anyone suffering body odour has a problem,
not necessarily a bicycle.

But seriously, I don't think short distances on a bike at a reasonable
speed would cause any more smelly perspiration than sitting in a queue
of stalled traffic clutching a sweaty steering wheel.

I've heard that bull**** before on this NG. I didn't believe it then,
and I certainly don't now.
It could be that you don't smell your own stink, in the same way that a
skunk doesn't find his own smell offensive, perhaps?

Just open your eyes and do some research!

As a guess I think cyclists are much better at personal hygiene.

Do you have a cite for that, or did you just make it up?

I said "AS A GUESS" It's uncomfortable sitting in wet/damp clothes


By the way sweat does NOT smell!

As I thought, you are oblivious to your own stench.
http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Body-od...roduction.aspx

SWEAT DOES NOT SMELL - Just look it up , don't think!
http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Body-od...roduction.aspx

(Researchers found barely half of British adults always wash their hands
with soap after visiting the toilet. And a quarter of workers claim to
be too rushed to wash and dry their hands properly after nipping to the
loo.

A morning shower is regularly skipped by 58 per cent of men, with a
quarter admitting they would rather have the extra time in bed. One in
three said they simply couldn’t be bothered.)

And quite a few compound the issue by pedalling to work on a bike,
without even showering then!
If there are only 2% of people cycling the other 56% regularly skipping
on Hygiene could either be you or the next person you shake hands with.

On 16/05/2015 12:52, colwyn wrote:
On 16/05/2015 11:58, JNugent wrote:
On 16/05/2015 11:09, colwyn wrote:
On 15/05/2015 20:17, The Medway Handyman wrote:


YOU SAID:
It certainly doesn't apply to 'any urban area'. I'll wager £1,000 that
a bicycle would lose on either of two urban area journeys of my choice.


I replied:
I would wager a bicycle to win on ANY route of MY choice!

I then showed an example of a clip to illustrate my point.
I could have chosen: Cycle path runs (part of which are in that video)
Bus Routes ( where push-bikes are permitted ) Short cuts on shared path.
or legal filtering at busy times.

My point still stands and my "toy" would still get to MY destination
first!

I was left wondering, why anybody would want to challenge you (or me) on
a skewed wager?

Excellent point.

The celebrated "Top Gear" commuter competitions were exactly that:
rigged.

Real commuter journeys don't start in inner-city locations and end at
other locations within the same inner-city. Or at least, the vast
majority don't.

Inner-city - I would venture, door to door, a bicycle would beat a car
on most up to 2-3 mile run. By the time you got your motor out of the
garage/ car park/ parking space next road and found parking space at
your destination I would be ready at work (for example)

However, if you commuted from the Medway Towns to London - as thousands
of people do on a daily basis, a push bike is a hopeless alternative.



--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On 16/05/2015 13:49, colwyn wrote:
On 16/05/2015 13:10, Tarcap wrote:


"colwyn" wrote in message ...

On 16/05/2015 11:58, JNugent wrote:
On 16/05/2015 11:09, colwyn wrote:
On 15/05/2015 20:17, The Medway Handyman wrote:


YOU SAID:
It certainly doesn't apply to 'any urban area'. I'll wager £1,000
that
a bicycle would lose on either of two urban area journeys of my choice.


I replied:
I would wager a bicycle to win on ANY route of MY choice!

I then showed an example of a clip to illustrate my point.
I could have chosen: Cycle path runs (part of which are in that video)
Bus Routes ( where push-bikes are permitted ) Short cuts on shared
path.
or legal filtering at busy times.

My point still stands and my "toy" would still get to MY destination
first!

I was left wondering, why anybody would want to challenge you (or
me) on
a skewed wager?

Excellent point.

The celebrated "Top Gear" commuter competitions were exactly that:
rigged.

Real commuter journeys don't start in inner-city locations and end at
other locations within the same inner-city. Or at least, the vast
majority don't.

Inner-city - I would venture, door to door, a bicycle would beat a car
on most up to 2-3 mile run. By the time you got your motor out of the
garage/ car park/ parking space next road and found parking space at
your destination I would be ready at work (for example)

Don't forget to factor in the showering/ changing time at the end of the
journey, though.
Or are you quite happy to share your Eau de polecat with your co-workers?

What? Building site/ Garbage disposal/ Water treatment / Chimney sweep/
Sewerage plant/ I am sure you find many more by typing " smelly jobs"
into Google.
But seriously, I don't think short distances on a bike at a reasonable
speed would cause any more smelly perspiration than sitting in a queue
of stalled traffic clutching a sweaty steering wheel. As a guess I think
cyclists are much better at personal hygiene. By the way sweat does NOT
smell!

But cyclists do.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On 16/05/2015 14:23, JNugent wrote:
On 16/05/2015 12:52, colwyn wrote:
On 16/05/2015 11:58, JNugent wrote:
On 16/05/2015 11:09, colwyn wrote:
On 15/05/2015 20:17, The Medway Handyman wrote:


YOU SAID:
It certainly doesn't apply to 'any urban area'. I'll wager £1,000
that
a bicycle would lose on either of two urban area journeys of my choice.


I replied:
I would wager a bicycle to win on ANY route of MY choice!

I then showed an example of a clip to illustrate my point.
I could have chosen: Cycle path runs (part of which are in that video)
Bus Routes ( where push-bikes are permitted ) Short cuts on shared
path.
or legal filtering at busy times.

My point still stands and my "toy" would still get to MY destination
first!

I was left wondering, why anybody would want to challenge you (or
me) on
a skewed wager?

Excellent point.

The celebrated "Top Gear" commuter competitions were exactly that:
rigged.

Real commuter journeys don't start in inner-city locations and end at
other locations within the same inner-city. Or at least, the vast
majority don't.

Inner-city - I would venture, door to door, a bicycle would beat a car
on most up to 2-3 mile run. By the time you got your motor out of the
garage/ car park/ parking space next road and found parking space at
your destination I would be ready at work (for example)

Absolutely: a made-up journey to work that hardly exists in the real
world outside the rarified environs of inner West London can be tweaked
so that a bicycle "wins".

You won't find many to disagree with that.

I wonder whether a cyclist would have beaten me yesterday on my 67 mile
journey to work (by car)?


Of course they would. It would only take them 5 hours or so.



--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

"colwyn" wrote in message ...

On 16/05/2015 14:15, Tarcap wrote:


"colwyn" wrote in message ...

On 16/05/2015 13:10, Tarcap wrote:


"colwyn" wrote in message ...

On 16/05/2015 11:58, JNugent wrote:
On 16/05/2015 11:09, colwyn wrote:
On 15/05/2015 20:17, The Medway Handyman wrote:


YOU SAID:
It certainly doesn't apply to 'any urban area'. I'll wager £1,000
that
a bicycle would lose on either of two urban area journeys of my choice.


I replied:
I would wager a bicycle to win on ANY route of MY choice!

I then showed an example of a clip to illustrate my point.
I could have chosen: Cycle path runs (part of which are in that video)
Bus Routes ( where push-bikes are permitted ) Short cuts on shared
path.
or legal filtering at busy times.

My point still stands and my "toy" would still get to MY destination
first!

I was left wondering, why anybody would want to challenge you (or
me) on
a skewed wager?

Excellent point.

The celebrated "Top Gear" commuter competitions were exactly that:
rigged.

Real commuter journeys don't start in inner-city locations and end at
other locations within the same inner-city. Or at least, the vast
majority don't.

Inner-city - I would venture, door to door, a bicycle would beat a car
on most up to 2-3 mile run. By the time you got your motor out of the
garage/ car park/ parking space next road and found parking space at
your destination I would be ready at work (for example)

Don't forget to factor in the showering/ changing time at the end of the
journey, though.
Or are you quite happy to share your Eau de polecat with your co-workers?

What? Building site/ Garbage disposal/ Water treatment / Chimney sweep/
Sewerage plant/ I am sure you find many more by typing " smelly jobs"
into Google.

But that is all part of that particular job. Sitting in an office (or
similar environment) next to someone smelling like a wildebeest is
definitely not.
It was you who generalised - anyone suffering body odour has a problem,
not necessarily a bicycle.

But seriously, I don't think short distances on a bike at a reasonable
speed would cause any more smelly perspiration than sitting in a queue
of stalled traffic clutching a sweaty steering wheel.

I've heard that bull**** before on this NG. I didn't believe it then,
and I certainly don't now.
It could be that you don't smell your own stink, in the same way that a
skunk doesn't find his own smell offensive, perhaps?

Just open your eyes and do some research!

As a guess I think cyclists are much better at personal hygiene.

Do you have a cite for that, or did you just make it up?

I said "AS A GUESS" It's uncomfortable sitting in wet/damp clothes


By the way sweat does NOT smell!

As I thought, you are oblivious to your own stench.
http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Body-od...roduction.aspx

SWEAT DOES NOT SMELL - Just look it up , don't think!
http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Body-od...roduction.aspx

(Researchers found barely half of British adults always wash their hands
with soap after visiting the toilet. And a quarter of workers claim to
be too rushed to wash and dry their hands properly after nipping to the
loo.

A morning shower is regularly skipped by 58 per cent of men, with a
quarter admitting they would rather have the extra time in bed. One in
three said they simply couldn’t be bothered.)

And quite a few compound the issue by pedalling to work on a bike,
without even showering then!
If there are only 2% of people cycling the other 56% regularly skipping
on Hygiene could either be you or the next person you shake hands with.

You seem to be making the mistake of assuming that all the cyclists are the
clean ones. I have already asked you if you had a cite for that, and you
have already admitted that you had just made it up by just guessing at it.
So you did make it up, then.

"colwyn" wrote in message ...

On 16/05/2015 14:15, Tarcap wrote:


"colwyn" wrote in message ...

On 16/05/2015 13:10, Tarcap wrote:


"colwyn" wrote in message ...

On 16/05/2015 11:58, JNugent wrote:
On 16/05/2015 11:09, colwyn wrote:
On 15/05/2015 20:17, The Medway Handyman wrote:


YOU SAID:
It certainly doesn't apply to 'any urban area'. I'll wager £1,000
that
a bicycle would lose on either of two urban area journeys of my choice.


I replied:
I would wager a bicycle to win on ANY route of MY choice!

I then showed an example of a clip to illustrate my point.
I could have chosen: Cycle path runs (part of which are in that video)
Bus Routes ( where push-bikes are permitted ) Short cuts on shared
path.
or legal filtering at busy times.

My point still stands and my "toy" would still get to MY destination
first!

I was left wondering, why anybody would want to challenge you (or
me) on
a skewed wager?

Excellent point.

The celebrated "Top Gear" commuter competitions were exactly that:
rigged.

Real commuter journeys don't start in inner-city locations and end at
other locations within the same inner-city. Or at least, the vast
majority don't.

Inner-city - I would venture, door to door, a bicycle would beat a car
on most up to 2-3 mile run. By the time you got your motor out of the
garage/ car park/ parking space next road and found parking space at
your destination I would be ready at work (for example)

Don't forget to factor in the showering/ changing time at the end of the
journey, though.
Or are you quite happy to share your Eau de polecat with your co-workers?

What? Building site/ Garbage disposal/ Water treatment / Chimney sweep/
Sewerage plant/ I am sure you find many more by typing " smelly jobs"
into Google.

But that is all part of that particular job. Sitting in an office (or
similar environment) next to someone smelling like a wildebeest is
definitely not.
It was you who generalised - anyone suffering body odour has a problem,
not necessarily a bicycle.

I didn't for one minute suggest that the bicycles smell, just the riders.

But seriously, I don't think short distances on a bike at a reasonable
speed would cause any more smelly perspiration than sitting in a queue
of stalled traffic clutching a sweaty steering wheel.

I've heard that bull**** before on this NG. I didn't believe it then,
and I certainly don't now.
It could be that you don't smell your own stink, in the same way that a
skunk doesn't find his own smell offensive, perhaps?

Just open your eyes and do some research!

I did, that's why I said that cyclists smell, but are in denial of it. As
usual.

As a guess I think cyclists are much better at personal hygiene.

Do you have a cite for that, or did you just make it up?

I said "AS A GUESS" It's uncomfortable sitting in wet/damp clothes

Yes, that's why I use a car for transport. It has a roof which keeps me dry.


By the way sweat does NOT smell!

As I thought, you are oblivious to your own stench.
http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Body-od...roduction.aspx

SWEAT DOES NOT SMELL - Just look it up , don't think!
http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Body-od...roduction.aspx


Maybe not, but the dampness of the sweat activates others odours. Ever sat
next to a wet dog?
Try it, you'll see what I mean. As long as your own smell is weaker than
that of the wet dog. If not, it would have a cloaking effect and you
wouldn't smell anything. The only way to tell that is if the dog moves away
from you to get away from the smell.

(Researchers found barely half of British adults always wash their hands
with soap after visiting the toilet. And a quarter of workers claim to
be too rushed to wash and dry their hands properly after nipping to the
loo.

A morning shower is regularly skipped by 58 per cent of men, with a
quarter admitting they would rather have the extra time in bed. One in
three said they simply couldn’t be bothered.)

And quite a few compound the issue by pedalling to work on a bike,
without even showering then!
If there are only 2% of people cycling the other 56% regularly skipping
on Hygiene could either be you or the next person you shake hands with.

A good indicator would be if they came into work on a bike and didn't
shower. You would know they were one of the unclean ones. Apart from the
smell, of course, which does tend to give it away a bit.

"colwyn" wrote in message
...
On 16/05/2015 13:10, Tarcap wrote:


"colwyn" wrote in message ...

On 16/05/2015 11:58, JNugent wrote:
On 16/05/2015 11:09, colwyn wrote:
On 15/05/2015 20:17, The Medway Handyman wrote:


YOU SAID:
It certainly doesn't apply to 'any urban area'. I'll wager £1,000
that
a bicycle would lose on either of two urban area journeys of my choice.


I replied:
I would wager a bicycle to win on ANY route of MY choice!

I then showed an example of a clip to illustrate my point.
I could have chosen: Cycle path runs (part of which are in that video)
Bus Routes ( where push-bikes are permitted ) Short cuts on shared
path.
or legal filtering at busy times.

My point still stands and my "toy" would still get to MY destination
first!

I was left wondering, why anybody would want to challenge you (or me)
on
a skewed wager?

Excellent point.

The celebrated "Top Gear" commuter competitions were exactly that:
rigged.

Real commuter journeys don't start in inner-city locations and end at
other locations within the same inner-city. Or at least, the vast
majority don't.

Inner-city - I would venture, door to door, a bicycle would beat a car
on most up to 2-3 mile run. By the time you got your motor out of the
garage/ car park/ parking space next road and found parking space at
your destination I would be ready at work (for example)

Don't forget to factor in the showering/ changing time at the end of the
journey, though.
Or are you quite happy to share your Eau de polecat with your co-workers?

What? Building site/ Garbage disposal/ Water treatment / Chimney sweep/
Sewerage plant/ I am sure you find many more by typing " smelly jobs" into
Google.
But seriously, I don't think short distances on a bike at a reasonable
speed would cause any more smelly perspiration than sitting in a queue of
stalled traffic clutching a sweaty steering wheel. As a guess I think
cyclists are much better at personal hygiene.


By the way sweat does NOT
smell!

That is one of the stupidest things I have read for a very long time.

On 16/05/2015 17:10, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
"colwyn" wrote in message
...
On 16/05/2015 13:10, Tarcap wrote:


"colwyn" wrote in message ...

On 16/05/2015 11:58, JNugent wrote:
On 16/05/2015 11:09, colwyn wrote:
On 15/05/2015 20:17, The Medway Handyman wrote:


YOU SAID:
It certainly doesn't apply to 'any urban area'. I'll wager £1,000
that
a bicycle would lose on either of two urban area journeys of my choice.


I replied:
I would wager a bicycle to win on ANY route of MY choice!

I then showed an example of a clip to illustrate my point.
I could have chosen: Cycle path runs (part of which are in that video)
Bus Routes ( where push-bikes are permitted ) Short cuts on shared
path.
or legal filtering at busy times.

My point still stands and my "toy" would still get to MY destination
first!

I was left wondering, why anybody would want to challenge you (or me)
on
a skewed wager?

Excellent point.

The celebrated "Top Gear" commuter competitions were exactly that:
rigged.

Real commuter journeys don't start in inner-city locations and end at
other locations within the same inner-city. Or at least, the vast
majority don't.

Inner-city - I would venture, door to door, a bicycle would beat a car
on most up to 2-3 mile run. By the time you got your motor out of the
garage/ car park/ parking space next road and found parking space at
your destination I would be ready at work (for example)

Don't forget to factor in the showering/ changing time at the end of the
journey, though.
Or are you quite happy to share your Eau de polecat with your co-workers?

What? Building site/ Garbage disposal/ Water treatment / Chimney sweep/
Sewerage plant/ I am sure you find many more by typing " smelly jobs" into
Google.
But seriously, I don't think short distances on a bike at a reasonable
speed would cause any more smelly perspiration than sitting in a queue of
stalled traffic clutching a sweaty steering wheel. As a guess I think
cyclists are much better at personal hygiene.


By the way sweat does NOT
smell!

That is one of the stupidest things I have read for a very long time.





Really? He is technically correct. Sweat on its own does not smell.
It's the
bacteria.

I suggest you do a bit more reading

"Bod" wrote in message
...
On 16/05/2015 17:10, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
"colwyn" wrote in message
...
On 16/05/2015 13:10, Tarcap wrote:


"colwyn" wrote in message ...

On 16/05/2015 11:58, JNugent wrote:
On 16/05/2015 11:09, colwyn wrote:
On 15/05/2015 20:17, The Medway Handyman wrote:


YOU SAID:
It certainly doesn't apply to 'any urban area'. I'll wager £1,000
that
a bicycle would lose on either of two urban area journeys of my
choice.


I replied:
I would wager a bicycle to win on ANY route of MY choice!

I then showed an example of a clip to illustrate my point.
I could have chosen: Cycle path runs (part of which are in that
video)
Bus Routes ( where push-bikes are permitted ) Short cuts on shared
path.
or legal filtering at busy times.

My point still stands and my "toy" would still get to MY destination
first!

I was left wondering, why anybody would want to challenge you (or me)
on
a skewed wager?

Excellent point.

The celebrated "Top Gear" commuter competitions were exactly that:
rigged.

Real commuter journeys don't start in inner-city locations and end at
other locations within the same inner-city. Or at least, the vast
majority don't.

Inner-city - I would venture, door to door, a bicycle would beat a car
on most up to 2-3 mile run. By the time you got your motor out of the
garage/ car park/ parking space next road and found parking space at
your destination I would be ready at work (for example)

Don't forget to factor in the showering/ changing time at the end of
the
journey, though.
Or are you quite happy to share your Eau de polecat with your
co-workers?

What? Building site/ Garbage disposal/ Water treatment / Chimney sweep/
Sewerage plant/ I am sure you find many more by typing " smelly jobs"
into
Google.
But seriously, I don't think short distances on a bike at a reasonable
speed would cause any more smelly perspiration than sitting in a queue
of
stalled traffic clutching a sweaty steering wheel. As a guess I think
cyclists are much better at personal hygiene.


By the way sweat does NOT
smell!

That is one of the stupidest things I have read for a very long time.


Really? He is technically correct. Sweat on its own does not smell. It's
the
bacteria.

That is one of the stupidest things I have read for a very long time.