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Disabled cyclist denied access to Brighton Pier.
On 18 Aug, 08:02, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
Doug wrote: On 17 Aug, 18:22, "Mrcheerful" wrote: Doug wrote: On 17 Aug, 13:52, Derek C wrote: On Aug 16, 7:29 am, Doug wrote: Imagine my surprise when walking my diminutive folding bike towards the entrance to the pier I was denied access. Most people are unaware that disabled cyclists are widely discriminated against, compared to say manual and motorised wheelchair users, but at least disabled cyclists are allowed to wheel their bikes in such places as railways stations and along pavements. I suffer from a condition that makes walking difficult and painful but much less so with cycling. Also, walking the bike has similar benefits to using a walking frame. Still, I did have the consolation of not parting with my money to the traders on the pier. Doug. Are you sure that the bike was the only reason why you were refused access Doug? Yep they were quite specific, "NO BICYCLES". Doug. and so once again your post subject is mis-leading, the 'disabled' cyclist was not denied access to the pier. Yes he is if he is using his bicycle as an essential mobility aid, which I was. have you considered following this woman's example by cycling under the pier?http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/8118578.stm I did cycle under the pier. Not in the same way as she did. As to the bicycle: *what will happen if 'disabled' cyclists are allowed to take bikes on the pier? *Suddenly there will be dozens of hoody wearing, 'disabled' cyclists on bmx's weaving through the pedestrians , thieving, injuring and being a nuisance. In which case they could be arrested, assuming the police are not too busy harassing political protesters or drug users instead. *Let one take the pee and all the rest will. In the event of emergency evacuation a wheelchair is likely to stay upright due to its multi wheel construction and not become a low level trip hazard the way a cycle would. No instead peds would just barge into a heavy wheelchair and injure themselves or worse and what about motorised wheelchairs? *It is also easily recognised as being a disabled person carriage while a bicycle is not. And that is the underlying issue which is down to popular perception and not the actual needs of those with varied types of disability. Doug |
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Disabled cyclist denied access to Brighton Pier.
On 18 Aug, 13:31, Doug wrote:
On 18 Aug, 08:02, "Mrcheerful" wrote: Doug wrote: On 17 Aug, 18:22, "Mrcheerful" wrote: Doug wrote: On 17 Aug, 13:52, Derek C wrote: On Aug 16, 7:29 am, Doug wrote: Imagine my surprise when walking my diminutive folding bike towards the entrance to the pier I was denied access. Most people are unaware that disabled cyclists are widely discriminated against, compared to say manual and motorised wheelchair users, but at least disabled cyclists are allowed to wheel their bikes in such places as railways stations and along pavements. I suffer from a condition that makes walking difficult and painful but much less so with cycling. Also, walking the bike has similar benefits to using a walking frame. Still, I did have the consolation of not parting with my money to the traders on the pier. Doug. Are you sure that the bike was the only reason why you were refused access Doug? Yep they were quite specific, "NO BICYCLES". Doug. and so once again your post subject is mis-leading, the 'disabled' cyclist was not denied access to the pier. Yes he is if he is using his bicycle as an essential mobility aid, which I was. have you considered following this woman's example by cycling under the pier?http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/8118578.stm I did cycle under the pier. Not in the same way as she did. As to the bicycle: *what will happen if 'disabled' cyclists are allowed to take bikes on the pier? *Suddenly there will be dozens of hoody wearing, 'disabled' cyclists on bmx's weaving through the pedestrians , thieving, injuring and being a nuisance. In which case they could be arrested, assuming the police are not too busy harassing political protesters or drug users instead. *Let one take the pee and all the rest will. In the event of emergency evacuation a wheelchair is likely to stay upright due to its multi wheel construction and not become a low level trip hazard the way a cycle would. No instead peds would just barge into a heavy wheelchair and injure themselves or worse and what about motorised wheelchairs? **It is also easily recognised as being a disabled person carriage while a bicycle is not. And that is the underlying issue which is down to popular perception and not the actual needs of those with varied types of disability. Doug I'm with you on this. How about adding a kiddie stabiliser to make it a tricycle, which is after all the original self powered wheelchair for an invalid. |
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Disabled cyclist denied access to Brighton Pier.
Doug wrote:
On 17 Aug, 17:54, "The Medway Handyman" davidl...@no-spam- Fortunately Brighton is very cycle friendly, except for the pier, and has a wide shared pavement along the length of the front. I don't think so; "Inspector James Biggs, of the Sussex Police road policing unit at Hove, said: "Our communities in Brighton and Hove are regularly raising concerns about anti-social cycling, where cyclists are cycling on pavements, having no regard for red traffic lights and cycling without lights at night". "This behaviour puts both the cyclists and other road users at risk and we will respond robustly to anyone found committing such offences." Well of course the police are not friendly, they never are. Shock horror! Police not friendly towards law breakers! I was pulled over a while ago, my van exhaust was smoking badly, it was booked into a garage to be sorted. The police were very friendly, even helpful & sympathetic. They were more interested in me getting home safely than anything else. Nice chaps. Of course that might be because I was polite & didn't try to claim I had the right to do whatever I liked. -- Dave - intelligent enough to realise that a push bike is a kid's toy, not a viable form of transport. |
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Disabled cyclist denied access to Brighton Pier.
Phil W Lee wrote:
"Mrcheerful" considered Tue, 17 Aug 2010 18:58:25 +0100 the perfect time to write: JNugent wrote: Doug wrote: On 16 Aug, 09:26, "Mrcheerful" wrote: Doug wrote: Imagine my surprise when walking my diminutive folding bike towards the entrance to the pier I was denied access. Most people are unaware that disabled cyclists are widely discriminated against, compared to say manual and motorised wheelchair users, but at least disabled cyclists are allowed to wheel their bikes in such places as railways stations and along pavements. I suffer from a condition that makes walking difficult and painful but much less so with cycling. Also, walking the bike has similar benefits to using a walking frame. Still, I did have the consolation of not parting with my money to the traders on the pier. Doug. You were not denied access, your bicycle was, this may well be partly because of the IRA Brighton bombing attempt in 1994 which used bicycle borne bombs. Bicycles are also a major safety problem as a trip hazard in the event of an emergency evacuation due to fire or other disaster, and piers have often caught fire. Rather like the same way you would not be allowed to take a bicycle into a cinema I applaud the staff that turned you away in order to safeguard others. In exactly the same way wheelchairs can prevent a problem but they are allowed on the pier. Hence the discrimination against disabled cyclists. What problem - other than the obvious lack of mobility of their users - do wheelchairs prevent? I think he intended to write 'present' rather than prevent. Disabled cyclists (which must be quite a small number of people nationwide) could always bring sticks to use in areas where bicycles are not a good idea or banned. Brighton pier is privately owned, so really they can ban any item they like, especially if it represents a massive safety hazard (like a bicycle) Even private premises are subject to the requirements of the Chronically Sick and Disabled Persons Act 1970 which include facilitating access for invalid carriages. When used by a disabled person, a bicycle meets all the legal requirements for being a class one invalid carriage, so it would seem the operators were in breach of the Act in denying access. If the presence of an invalid carriage (of any sort) poses a risk, it is only because the operators have been negligent in their duties under The Act. a standard bicycle is not an invalid carriage. quote : Invalid carriage: A mechanically propelled vehicle (mpv) designed & constructed -not merely adapted! - for the use of a person suffering from some sort of physical defect or disability & used SOLELY by such a person. |
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Disabled cyclist denied access to Brighton Pier.
Phil W Lee wrote:
Doug considered Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:10:28 -0700 (PDT) the perfect time to write: On 17 Aug, 13:52, Derek C wrote: On Aug 16, 7:29 am, Doug wrote: Imagine my surprise when walking my diminutive folding bike towards the entrance to the pier I was denied access. Most people are unaware that disabled cyclists are widely discriminated against, compared to say manual and motorised wheelchair users, but at least disabled cyclists are allowed to wheel their bikes in such places as railways stations and along pavements. I suffer from a condition that makes walking difficult and painful but much less so with cycling. Also, walking the bike has similar benefits to using a walking frame. Still, I did have the consolation of not parting with my money to the traders on the pier. Doug. Are you sure that the bike was the only reason why you were refused access Doug? Yep they were quite specific, "NO BICYCLES". It is illegal for them to bar invalid carriages, which is an accurate description of a solo bicycle used by a chronically sick or disabled person. They cannot force you to use one particular type of invalid carriage - anything that meets the definition must be allowed (and indeed, facilitated). I hope you took details of the person obstructing your access so that you can take the matter further. Invalid carriage: A mechanically propelled vehicle (mpv) designed & constructed -not merely adapted! - for the use of a person suffering from some sort of physical defect or disability & used SOLELY by such a person. |
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Disabled cyclist denied access to Brighton Pier.
Phil W Lee wrote:
"Mrcheerful" considered Tue, 17 Aug 2010 18:58:25 +0100 the perfect time to write: JNugent wrote: Doug wrote: On 16 Aug, 09:26, "Mrcheerful" wrote: Doug wrote: Imagine my surprise when walking my diminutive folding bike towards the entrance to the pier I was denied access. Most people are unaware that disabled cyclists are widely discriminated against, compared to say manual and motorised wheelchair users, but at least disabled cyclists are allowed to wheel their bikes in such places as railways stations and along pavements. I suffer from a condition that makes walking difficult and painful but much less so with cycling. Also, walking the bike has similar benefits to using a walking frame. Still, I did have the consolation of not parting with my money to the traders on the pier. Doug. You were not denied access, your bicycle was, this may well be partly because of the IRA Brighton bombing attempt in 1994 which used bicycle borne bombs. Bicycles are also a major safety problem as a trip hazard in the event of an emergency evacuation due to fire or other disaster, and piers have often caught fire. Rather like the same way you would not be allowed to take a bicycle into a cinema I applaud the staff that turned you away in order to safeguard others. In exactly the same way wheelchairs can prevent a problem but they are allowed on the pier. Hence the discrimination against disabled cyclists. What problem - other than the obvious lack of mobility of their users - do wheelchairs prevent? I think he intended to write 'present' rather than prevent. Disabled cyclists (which must be quite a small number of people nationwide) could always bring sticks to use in areas where bicycles are not a good idea or banned. Brighton pier is privately owned, so really they can ban any item they like, especially if it represents a massive safety hazard (like a bicycle) Even private premises are subject to the requirements of the Chronically Sick and Disabled Persons Act 1970 which include facilitating access for invalid carriages. When used by a disabled person, a bicycle meets all the legal requirements for being a class one invalid carriage, so it would seem the operators were in breach of the Act in denying access. Very bullish. Why don't you write to the Brighton Argus and complain? |
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Disabled cyclist denied access to Brighton Pier.
Phil W Lee wrote:
Doug considered Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:10:28 -0700 (PDT) the perfect time to write: On 17 Aug, 13:52, Derek C wrote: On Aug 16, 7:29 am, Doug wrote: Imagine my surprise when walking my diminutive folding bike towards the entrance to the pier I was denied access. Most people are unaware that disabled cyclists are widely discriminated against, compared to say manual and motorised wheelchair users, but at least disabled cyclists are allowed to wheel their bikes in such places as railways stations and along pavements. I suffer from a condition that makes walking difficult and painful but much less so with cycling. Also, walking the bike has similar benefits to using a walking frame. Still, I did have the consolation of not parting with my money to the traders on the pier. Doug. Are you sure that the bike was the only reason why you were refused access Doug? Yep they were quite specific, "NO BICYCLES". It is illegal for them to bar invalid carriages, which is an accurate description of a solo bicycle used by a chronically sick or disabled person. In what language? Everyday-Lee-Speak, or the language of the relevant statute and regulations? They cannot force you to use one particular type of invalid carriage - anything that meets the definition must be allowed (and indeed, facilitated). And does it? I hope you took details of the person obstructing your access so that you can take the matter further. |
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Disabled cyclist denied access to Brighton Pier.
On Aug 18, 7:45*pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
Phil W Lee wrote: Doug considered Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:10:28 -0700 (PDT) the perfect time to write: On 17 Aug, 13:52, Derek C wrote: On Aug 16, 7:29 am, Doug wrote: Imagine my surprise when walking my diminutive folding bike towards the entrance to the pier I was denied access. Most people are unaware that disabled cyclists are widely discriminated against, compared to say manual and motorised wheelchair users, but at least disabled cyclists are allowed to wheel their bikes in such places as railways stations and along pavements. I suffer from a condition that makes walking difficult and painful but much less so with cycling. Also, walking the bike has similar benefits to using a walking frame. Still, I did have the consolation of not parting with my money to the traders on the pier. Doug. Are you sure that the bike was the only reason why you were refused access Doug? Yep they were quite specific, "NO BICYCLES". It is illegal for them to bar invalid carriages, which is an accurate description of a solo bicycle used by a chronically sick or disabled person. They cannot force you to use one particular type of invalid carriage - anything that meets the definition must be allowed (and indeed, facilitated). I hope you took details of the person obstructing your access so that you can take the matter further. Invalid carriage: A mechanically propelled vehicle (mpv) designed & constructed -not merely adapted! - for the use of a person suffering from some sort of physical defect or disability & used SOLELY by such a person.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Perhaps Doug should have used one of these? www. monarchmobility.com |
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Disabled cyclist denied access to Brighton Pier.
Phil W Lee wrote:
Doug considered Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:10:28 -0700 (PDT) the perfect time to write: On 17 Aug, 13:52, Derek C wrote: On Aug 16, 7:29 am, Doug wrote: Imagine my surprise when walking my diminutive folding bike towards the entrance to the pier I was denied access. Most people are unaware that disabled cyclists are widely discriminated against, compared to say manual and motorised wheelchair users, but at least disabled cyclists are allowed to wheel their bikes in such places as railways stations and along pavements. I suffer from a condition that makes walking difficult and painful but much less so with cycling. Also, walking the bike has similar benefits to using a walking frame. Still, I did have the consolation of not parting with my money to the traders on the pier. Doug. Are you sure that the bike was the only reason why you were refused access Doug? Yep they were quite specific, "NO BICYCLES". It is illegal for them to bar invalid carriages, which is an accurate description of a solo bicycle used by a chronically sick or disabled person. No it isn't SFB's They cannot force you to use one particular type of invalid carriage - anything that meets the definition must be allowed (and indeed, facilitated). Bollox as usual. I hope you took details of the person obstructing your access so that you can take the matter further. And waste everybodys time. -- Dave - intelligent enough to realise that a push bike is a kid's toy, not a viable form of transport. |
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Disabled cyclist denied access to Brighton Pier.
On Aug 18, 7:30*pm, Phil W Lee wrote:
"Mrcheerful" considered Tue, 17 Aug 2010 18:58:25 +0100 the perfect time to write: JNugent wrote: Doug wrote: On 16 Aug, 09:26, "Mrcheerful" wrote: Doug wrote: Imagine my surprise when walking my diminutive folding bike towards the entrance to the pier I was denied access. Most people are unaware that disabled cyclists are widely discriminated against, compared to say manual and *motorised wheelchair users, but at least disabled cyclists are allowed to wheel their bikes in such places as railways stations and along pavements. I suffer from a condition that makes walking difficult and painful but much less so with cycling. Also, walking the bike has similar benefits to using a walking frame. Still, I did have the consolation of not parting with my money to the traders on the pier. Doug. You were not denied access, your bicycle was, this may well be partly because of the IRA Brighton bombing attempt in 1994 which used bicycle borne bombs. Bicycles are also a major safety problem as a trip hazard in the event of an emergency evacuation due to fire or other disaster, and piers have often caught fire. *Rather like the same way you would not be allowed to take a bicycle into a cinema I applaud the staff that turned you away in order to safeguard others. In exactly the same way wheelchairs can prevent a problem but they are allowed on the pier. Hence the discrimination against disabled cyclists. What problem - other than the obvious lack of mobility of their users - do wheelchairs prevent? I think he intended to write 'present' rather than prevent. Disabled cyclists (which must be quite a small number of people nationwide) could always bring sticks to use in areas where bicycles are not a good idea or banned. Brighton pier is privately owned, so really they can ban any item they like, especially if it represents a massive safety hazard (like a bicycle) Even private premises are subject to the requirements of the Chronically Sick and Disabled Persons Act 1970 which include facilitating access for invalid carriages. *When used by a disabled person, a bicycle meets all the legal requirements for being a class one invalid carriage, so it would seem the operators were in breach of the Act in denying access. If the presence of an invalid carriage (of any sort) poses a risk, it is only because the operators have been negligent in their duties under The Act. My house is private premises, are you sugusting that it is subject to the Disabled Persons Act? Or is it just more hot air from a poster who has yet to post anything correct? |
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