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What's up with Bigha?
Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
Larry Varney wrote: Lorenzo L. Love wrote: The EZ-1 SC cost is one sixth that of the Bigha. Is the Bigha six times better? The RANS Fusion cost is almost one forth that of the Bigha. Is the Bigha four times better? There are still a lot of slow heavy comfort bents around for a fraction of the Bigha. But if you are going to pay that much, why go slow? The Bigha costs more then the Vision VR65, Tour Easy or Lighting P38. Is the Bigha better then any of these? You can get a Greenspeed GTR for the same cost as a Bigha. Is the Bigha as good? Those questions can be answered (and asked) by everyone, of course, but how credible would be the answers if the person had not ridden the bikes mentioned? Not to mention how "six times better" can be determined, whether it be related to bikes, cars, apple pie or any number of other things we can purchase. Lots of variable, lots of subjective opinions, criteria, and viewpoints, but it all comes down to one thing: if the person hasn't ridden the bikes in question, then his opinion of relative worth is nothing more than that. Have you ridden a Bigha? If so, do you have one on order? Lorenzo L. Love http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demand I've already posted, several times, that I not only have never ridden one, I've never even seen one. And you keep telling us how horrible the bike is, and *you* have never seen or ridden one. If so, do you have one on order? No? Why not? For some strange reason you seem to have taken it as your mission in life to tell the world just how horrible this bike is, all based on two facts: how much it costs, and you've never even seen one. We know you don't like the bike. We know you think it's too expensive. We know you've never seen or ridden one. What we *don't* know, is why you keep beating this poor dead horse. If the BigHA is as lousy as you *believe* it is, completely without any personal, first-hand knowledge, guess what: it'll fail. People who ride it will decide that, for one reason or another, it's not for them. I suspect that they'll come to that decision based on their actual experiences with the bike, and not because you keep telling them how horrible it is. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe people need someone like you to tell them all about a bike you've never seen nor ridden, so that they'll know whether or not to buy one. -- Larry Varney Cold Spring, KY http://home.fuse.net/larryvarney |
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What's up with Bigha?
Larry Varney wrote:
Lorenzo L. Love wrote: Larry Varney wrote: Lorenzo L. Love wrote: The EZ-1 SC cost is one sixth that of the Bigha. Is the Bigha six times better? The RANS Fusion cost is almost one forth that of the Bigha. Is the Bigha four times better? There are still a lot of slow heavy comfort bents around for a fraction of the Bigha. But if you are going to pay that much, why go slow? The Bigha costs more then the Vision VR65, Tour Easy or Lighting P38. Is the Bigha better then any of these? You can get a Greenspeed GTR for the same cost as a Bigha. Is the Bigha as good? Those questions can be answered (and asked) by everyone, of course, but how credible would be the answers if the person had not ridden the bikes mentioned? Not to mention how "six times better" can be determined, whether it be related to bikes, cars, apple pie or any number of other things we can purchase. Lots of variable, lots of subjective opinions, criteria, and viewpoints, but it all comes down to one thing: if the person hasn't ridden the bikes in question, then his opinion of relative worth is nothing more than that. Have you ridden a Bigha? If so, do you have one on order? Lorenzo L. Love http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demand I've already posted, several times, that I not only have never ridden one, I've never even seen one. And you keep telling us how horrible the bike is, and *you* have never seen or ridden one. If so, do you have one on order? No? Why not? For some strange reason you seem to have taken it as your mission in life to tell the world just how horrible this bike is, all based on two facts: how much it costs, and you've never even seen one. We know you don't like the bike. We know you think it's too expensive. We know you've never seen or ridden one. What we *don't* know, is why you keep beating this poor dead horse. If the BigHA is as lousy as you *believe* it is, completely without any personal, first-hand knowledge, guess what: it'll fail. People who ride it will decide that, for one reason or another, it's not for them. I suspect that they'll come to that decision based on their actual experiences with the bike, and not because you keep telling them how horrible it is. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe people need someone like you to tell them all about a bike you've never seen nor ridden, so that they'll know whether or not to buy one. So why don't you have one on order? I want to know if ANYONE with real experience riding recumbents is going to pay $3000.00 for this bike. Someone show me that this bike is worth buying. Surely there is someone with more money then they can spend otherwise. The Bigha marketing is obviously targeted at people who know nothing at all about recumbents and little about bicycles in general, so will not know how ridiculously overpriced it is. Lorenzo L. Love http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demand |
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"Edward Dolan" wrote in message om... "Mikael Seierup" wrote in message ... Regards Mikael Copenhagen, Denmark (Happy now, Ed? ;o) ) Yes, but you will not consistently do it. But I also think Copenhagen is a big enough city and since it is also the capital of the country you probably do not need to indicate the country. Copenhagen all by itself would be sufficient. After all, there is no Copenhagen, USA. (I should look this up but I am too lazy. It will probably turn out that there is a Copenhagen in the USA in which case it would then be necessary to indicate the country no matter how big the city. For instance, just Moscow not followed by a country means Moscow in Idaho. Since there is a Moscow in the USA one would have to designate the other Moscow as Moscow, Russia. This does get a bit complicated but as long as we keep clear that the USA takes precedence over all other countries then it is a no-brainer.) But I think in general one need only indicate either city or state (country) and not both. There is no sense in telling people more than they want to know. Ed Dolan - Minnesota What unmitigated crap! Anyone with any sense of the world beyond the USA would think "Russia" when hearing "Moscow". If you insist in frequenting an international forum, you should at least drop this holier-than-thou Ugly American BS. It's shameful. Tom Thompson Westland |
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Edward Dolan wrote: "Mikael Seierup" wrote in message ... Regards Mikael Copenhagen, Denmark (Happy now, Ed? ;o) ) Yes, but you will not consistently do it. But I also think Copenhagen is a big enough city and since it is also the capital of the country you probably do not need to indicate the country. Copenhagen all by itself would be sufficient. After all, there is no Copenhagen, USA. (I should look this up but I am too lazy. It will probably turn out that there is a Copenhagen in the USA in which case it would then be necessary to indicate the country no matter how big the city. For instance, just Moscow not followed by a country means Moscow in Idaho. Since there is a Moscow in the USA one would have to designate the other Moscow as Moscow, Russia. This does get a bit complicated but as long as we keep clear that the USA takes precedence over all other countries then it is a no-brainer.) But I think in general one need only indicate either city or state (country) and not both. There is no sense in telling people more than they want to know. If cities with common names are assumed to be in the US, then we can assume that all those from Toronto are actually from Toronto, Iowa. Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side) |
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Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
So why don't you have one on order? Lorenzo L. Love http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demand You seem to need to have this posted one more time, in order to understand: I have never seen the bike. I have never ridden the bike. So why would I have one on order? See, there's one big difference between you and I. I do not condemn something of which I have no first-hand knowledge. And, neither do I buy such an item. Since you obviously feel so free to do the former, I am surprised that you will not do the latter as well. -- Larry Varney Cold Spring, KY http://home.fuse.net/larryvarney |
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OT Just because your paranoid..... was( What's up with Bigha?)
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 08:25:07 +0100, Ian
wrote: ...a notable quote on a holiday programme in Britain, made by a visiting U.S. citizen was "I brought my own food because they eat chipmunks in England". We would soon starve to death eating animals that do not exist here. It'd serve you right for eating all the chipmunks up, wouldn't it? Made them extinct already, have you? Is that why you've switched to organ meats from mad cows, slathered in bland gray gravy? Bunch of gluttons... |
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OT Just because your paranoid..... was( What's up with Bigha?)
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 08:25:07 +0100, Ian
wrote: ...a notable quote on a holiday programme in Britain, made by a visiting U.S. citizen was "I brought my own food because they eat chipmunks in England". We would soon starve to death eating animals that do not exist here. It'd serve you right for eating all the chipmunks up, wouldn't it? Made them extinct already, have you? Is that why you've switched to organ meats from mad cows, slathered in bland gray gravy? Bunch of gluttons... |
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Larry Varney wrote in message ...
Lorenzo L. Love wrote: The EZ-1 SC cost is one sixth that of the Bigha. Is the Bigha six times better? The RANS Fusion cost is almost one forth that of the Bigha. Is the Bigha four times better? There are still a lot of slow heavy comfort bents around for a fraction of the Bigha. But if you are going to pay that much, why go slow? The Bigha costs more then the Vision VR65, Tour Easy or Lighting P38. Is the Bigha better then any of these? You can get a Greenspeed GTR for the same cost as a Bigha. Is the Bigha as good? Those questions can be answered (and asked) by everyone, of course, but how credible would be the answers if the person had not ridden the bikes mentioned? Not to mention how "six times better" can be determined, whether it be related to bikes, cars, apple pie or any number of other things we can purchase. Lots of variable, lots of subjective opinions, criteria, and viewpoints, but it all comes down to one thing: if the person hasn't ridden the bikes in question, then his opinion of relative worth is nothing more than that. One does not need hands-on experience of a thing in order to determine it's relative worth or value. A child is capable of doing it based on a few facts about the thing. As usual you are off in the wilderness considering complexities which don't exist. But this is what can happen to anyone when they are bereft of common sense. Mr. Love is right to stick on the main point, which is the $3000. in conjunction with a few known facts about the bike, and not let himself be distracted by all the asides of the gnat brigade. How you can take issue with what was said above defies logic. But then you always could take issue with someone over nothing. Ed Dolan - Minnesota |
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Tom Sherman wrote in message ...
skip wrote: For me, I'll take a Tailwind thank you. Good night Bob Cardone where ever you are. The RANS Rocket and Tailwind are still arguably the best recumbent values out there, especially since the crank and BB have been upgraded from the Dotek and Shimano LP-37 [1]. Another extremely rare point of agreement with Mr. Sherman. I too think the RANS Tailwind is one of the better designed recumbents on the market at a very good value. These points of agreement with Mr. Sherman are so rare that they need to be recorded for posterity, or at least acknowledged, which is why I am posting here. Ed Dolan - Minnesota |
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"Tom Thompson" wrote in message ...
What unmitigated crap! Anyone with any sense of the world beyond the USA would think "Russia" when hearing "Moscow". If you insist in frequenting an international forum, you should at least drop this holier-than-thou Ugly American BS. It's shameful. Tom Thompson Westland One of my best trolls ever and this guy with a double name composed of Toms falls for it like a ton of bricks. Thanks for making my day Mr. Unmitigated Crap. But you did not listen to what I had to say. What and where is Westland or is it Wasteland? State? Country? But if you don't care why should I? Ed Dolan - Minnesota |
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