how long does a broken collarbone take ?

On Mar 23, 1:31*pm, Keith wrote:
On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:47:17 -0500, Carl Sundquist
wrote:

Susan Walker wrote:
wrote:
re LA; if he's out due to broken collarbone, how long on avg. would it
be before he can race again ?

Six weeks.

Sooner if it's plated.

it's always risky to get in there, they only do that if the bone is
shattered, like they did for Voeckler

Or if somebody wants to return to training and competition than would
otherwise be possible.

Andy Coggan

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On Mar 24, 12:04*pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 23, 8:03*pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:
wrote:
re LA; if he's out due to broken collarbone, how long on avg. would it
be before he can race again ?

Your question is wrong. * Here's why. * Lance wanted to win the Giro.
With this broken collarbone, he probably cannot win the Giro. * So now
he's ****ed off.

And now I gotta sit here and listen to all you Lance lovers talk stupid
as if Lance can win a race like the Giro after coming off a 4-week
vacation. *He cannot. *Or at least he doesn't want to.

Lance doesn't like racing when he's not 100% prepared. *That's why he
skipped the Athens Olympics. *That's why he skips worlds every year.

Thanks,

Magilla

He couldn't win the giro regardless. His aim clearly was the big
mouth. Now he will try to win leadville then do the hour. but
otherwise I believe the dream is over.

Lance could win the Giro at 95%. * His Tour ride has not been significantly
affected. * You sound like one of those people who every year from 1999 to
2005 kept saying how Lance wasn't going to win the Tour because of this or
that.

Stop acting like an idiot.

Thanks,

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lance could win the giro at 95%...of what ? the current pro peleton
not starting perhaps ? his riding style in the mountains had a lot of
out-of-the-saddle jumps...how is he going to get out of the saddle
with a busted collarbone ? sorry fella, you may yack big, but you
ain't got the brains to back it up.

Stop acting like an idiot.

His collarbone will be healed by the time the Giro starts. The only issue for
Lance is ramping up for it with a broken collarbone. There is no issue involving
Lance being concerned about his collarbone hurting his riding style during the
Giro.

Right now, based on Lance's condition at the Tour of California, his fitness
could get him a top 3 in the Giro with average effort.

My guess is Lance will skip the Giro because eh doesn't want to race for 15th
place or risk re-injuring himself before the Tour day France.

Magilla

Donald Munro wrote:

raamman wrote:
the trainer would go so far as to help him from gaining weight during the
time off (something that he had yet to lose leading up to the tdf ); but
remember it does not simulate race conditions, one thing LA and co. were
keen to point out during his comeback and perhaps good reason for his full
race calendar leading up to the tdf. He needs time on the bike- his
position has been changed and he needs as much time merging biomechanical
performance with it's limitations. He has about 2 months left to be
competitive for the tdf, and half that time will be spent at reduced
intensity. He will have a hard time staying with the pack the first races
when he does come back. The worst thing will be psychologically he will
always find himself stuggling to keep up- and so he has to consider his
legacy, how does he want it to be written ?

If you have the mental capacity to push yourself you can train as hard
if not harder on a trainer, particularly if you do intervals with a
power meter.

Stop acting like an idiot.

Lance's advantage is not his "mental capacity." It's his physical
superiority. Mentally, he is probably no different than any number of Cat. 3's
out there. You will have everyone believe that winning bike racing is about
some highly tactical mental psychological game. It is not. It's about
wattage, weight, and VO2 max. That's it.

If you had Lance's body, you would win Cat. 2 races with 100 miles/week of
training under your belt. And you would do it easily.

Do you hear scientists talking trash like like "being a scientist is 95%
physical." If not, then why do you constantly talk about mental aspects of
sports?

Thanks,

Magilla

On Mar 24, 3:09*pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Donald Munro wrote:

Lance's advantage is not his "mental capacity." *It's his physical
superiority. *Mentally, he is probably no different than any number of Cat. 3's
out there. *You will have everyone believe that winning bike racing is about
some highly tactical mental psychological game. *It is not. *It's about
wattage, weight, and VO2 max. *That's it.

If you had Lance's body, you would win Cat. 2 races with 100 miles/week of
training under your belt. *And you would do it easily.

dumbass,

yes. but also 80% of riders are also neurotic headcases and everytime
they have a sorta bad day or have a little crash or lose their
favorite socks or something they choke/DNF/crash themselves and start
saying things like "i need to train more" or "i need to see a physio"
or "i need custom shoes" or whatever.

like delgado did in '89 when he was late for the tour prologue. he
lost about 2:45 there, but he was so shaken up he lost minutes on the
next stages until he got his head straightened out. if he just lost
that 2:45 and got on track he could've won the tour that year.

tyler farrar beats the best sprinters one day and two days later he
crashes out of the spring season. you don't think that's mental ?

MagillaGorilla wrote:
Lance's advantage is not his "mental capacity." It's his physical
superiority. Mentally, he is probably no different than any number of
Cat. 3's out there. You will have everyone believe that winning bike
racing is about some highly tactical mental psychological game. It is
not. It's about wattage, weight, and VO2 max. That's it.

Sorry can't argue now, I'm busy testing a new prototype fleshlight.

On Mar 23, 11:05*pm, Carl Sundquist wrote:
hizark21 wrote:
On Mar 23, 1:11 pm, William Asher wrote:
hizark21 wrote:
On Mar 23, 9:12 am, wrote:
re LA; if he's out due to broken collarbone, how long on avg. would it
be before he can race again ?
On cyclinengews.com they estimated it would take 4-6 weeks for Lance
to recover. This probably eliminates Lance's Giro chances. This may
also effectively end his TDF chances as well.

Oh please if anything this increases the pressure on Lance for the
TDF. *One month is a short time to get ready for the TDF.

He'll be riding on a trainer by the weekend. He'll be on the road well
before the last week of April without surgery. He could be back on the
road in less than 10 days if he gets it plated.

I broke a collarbone once. I still remember the sensation of flying
thru the air in slow motion. I stood on my potato-chipped front wheel
to straighten it, then rode home. I decided if you have to break a
bone, the collarbone is a good choice.
-Paul
-Paul

On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:01:43 -0700 (PDT), Amit Ghosh
wrote:

On Mar 24, 3:09=A0pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Donald Munro wrote:

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superiority. =A0Mentally, he is probably no different than any number of =
Cat. 3's
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wattage, weight, and VO2 max. =A0That's it.

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training under your belt. =A0And you would do it easily.

dumbass,

yes. but also 80% of riders are also neurotic headcases and everytime
they have a sorta bad day or have a little crash or lose their
favorite socks or something they choke/DNF/crash themselves and start
saying things like "i need to train more" or "i need to see a physio"
or "i need custom shoes" or whatever.

Dumbasses,

Yeah. Plus Armstrong keeps more discipline in the "off season" than
some other physically talented riders.

On Mar 24, 12:09*pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Donald Munro wrote:
raamman wrote:
the trainer would go so far as to help him from gaining weight during the
time off (something that he had yet to lose leading up to the tdf ); but
remember it does not simulate race conditions, one thing LA and co. were
keen to point out during his comeback and perhaps good reason for his full
race calendar leading up to the tdf. He needs time on the bike- his
position has been changed and he needs as much time merging biomechanical
performance with it's limitations. He has about 2 months left to be
competitive for the tdf, and half that time will be spent at reduced
intensity. He will have a hard time staying with the pack the first races
when he does come back. The worst thing will be psychologically he will
always find himself stuggling to keep up- and so he has to consider his
legacy, how does he want it to be written ?

If you have the mental capacity to push yourself you can train as hard
if not harder on a trainer, particularly if you do intervals with a
power meter.

Stop acting like an idiot.

Lance's advantage is not his "mental capacity." *It's his physical
superiority. *Mentally, he is probably no different than any number of Cat. 3's
out there. *You will have everyone believe that winning bike racing is about
some highly tactical mental psychological game. *It is not. *It's about
wattage, weight, and VO2 max. *That's it.

What a crock. Lance has many other advantages besides those three, and
he's smart enough to know that you can't have too many. His self-
discipline, preparation, and team leadership skills are legendary.
Consider this:
"When Lance Armstrong won his fourth Tour de France last year, he not
only followed tradition by dividing the prize money among his team-
mates, he also doubled the amount to his fellow cyclists out of his
own pocket." If you were right, that was a waste of money. I think
Lance knows more about bike racing than you do.
-Paul

On Mar 24, 7:43*pm, "Paul G." wrote:

What a crock. Lance has many other advantages besides those three, and
he's smart enough to know that you can't have too many. *His self-
discipline, preparation, and team leadership skills are legendary.
Consider this:
"When Lance Armstrong won his fourth Tour de France last year, he not
only followed tradition by dividing the prize money among his team-
mates, he also doubled the amount to his fellow cyclists out of his
own pocket." * If you were right, that was a waste of money. *I think
Lance knows more about bike racing than you do.
-Paul-
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I'm not doubting Lance's intelligence or approach to racing; I am just
stating that age has it's limits and that the interval he had off has
also taken it's toll; a good tdf placing before the collarbone
fracture would be hard fought and won; but now, it will be much much
harder- I'm not saying it is impossible, but in my mind I believe it
will be beyond his ability. The other guys are much younger and will
be able to recover better on concurrent hard days- especially coming
into the mountains. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see Lance win
an 8th tdf- but all things considered, I find that vision less and
less likely.

Paul G. wrote:
On Mar 24, 12:09 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Stop acting like an idiot.

Lance's advantage is not his "mental capacity." It's his physical
superiority. Mentally, he is probably no different than any number of Cat. 3's
out there. You will have everyone believe that winning bike racing is about
some highly tactical mental psychological game. It is not. It's about
wattage, weight, and VO2 max. That's it.

What a crock. Lance has many other advantages besides those three, and
he's smart enough to know that you can't have too many. His self-
discipline, preparation, and team leadership skills are legendary.
Consider this:
"When Lance Armstrong won his fourth Tour de France last year, he not
only followed tradition by dividing the prize money among his team-
mates, he also doubled the amount to his fellow cyclists out of his
own pocket." If you were right, that was a waste of money. I think
Lance knows more about bike racing than you do.
-Paul

Dumbasses,

Don't forget the medical team.

Bob Schwartz