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Old June 13th 12, 09:56 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Michael[_10_]
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/lance-...PaV_story.html
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Old June 14th 12, 01:25 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Jun 13, 2:56*pm, Michael wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lance-...sh-doping-char...


The details:
http://online.wsj.com/public/resourc...arging0613.pdf

DR
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Old June 14th 12, 07:42 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On 14/06/2012 01:25, DirtRoadie wrote:
On Jun 13, 2:56 pm, wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lance-...sh-doping-char...


The details:
http://online.wsj.com/public/resourc...arging0613.pdf


Now that is what you call a *comprehensive* rap sheet.

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Old June 14th 12, 03:39 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Thursday, 14 June 2012 02:42:56 UTC-4, atriage wrote:
On 14/06/2012 01:25, DirtRoadie wrote:
On Jun 13, 2:56 pm, wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lance-...sh-doping-char...


The details:
http://online.wsj.com/public/resourc...arging0613.pdf


Now that is what you call a *comprehensive* rap sheet.

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Thanks. That's a good, old-fashioned conspiracy.

How easy is it to intimidate people in the cycling world? Do they really have so few career options outside the cycling industry that it was realistic to expect them to keep their mouths shut forever?

The long-term strategy of this conspiracy doesn't make sense unless the conspirators just wanted to buy enough time to loot the system.
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Old June 14th 12, 05:21 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On 6/14/2012 9:39 AM, Mark wrote:
On Thursday, 14 June 2012 02:42:56 UTC-4, atriage wrote:
On 14/06/2012 01:25, DirtRoadie wrote:
On Jun 13, 2:56 pm, wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lance-...sh-doping-char...

The details:
http://online.wsj.com/public/resourc...arging0613.pdf


Now that is what you call a *comprehensive* rap sheet.

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Thanks. That's a good, old-fashioned conspiracy.

How easy is it to intimidate people in the cycling world? Do they really have so few career options outside the cycling industry that it was realistic to expect them to keep their mouths shut forever?

The long-term strategy of this conspiracy doesn't make sense unless the conspirators just wanted to buy enough time to loot the system.


It seems heavy on he said/she said. The re-analyzed 1999 EPO positives
are missing. They do list the 2001 Swiss EPO positive that the guy
responsible is on record as saying is not a positive.

They are claiming evidence of 2009-10 blood transfusions, which wouldn't
threaten any of his Tour victories.

Looks to be quite a 3 ring circus.

F
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Old June 14th 12, 07:24 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Jun 14, 10:21*am, Fred Flintstein
wrote:
On 6/14/2012 9:39 AM, Mark wrote:









On Thursday, 14 June 2012 02:42:56 UTC-4, atriage *wrote:
On 14/06/2012 01:25, DirtRoadie wrote:
On Jun 13, 2:56 pm, * wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lance-...sh-doping-char....


The details:
http://online.wsj.com/public/resourc...ongcharging061....


Now that is what you call a *comprehensive* rap sheet.


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Thanks. That's a good, old-fashioned conspiracy.


How easy is it to intimidate people in the cycling world? *Do they really have so few career options outside the cycling industry that it was realistic to expect them to keep their mouths shut forever?


The long-term strategy of this conspiracy doesn't make sense unless the conspirators just wanted to buy enough time to loot the system.


It seems heavy on he said/she said. The re-analyzed 1999 EPO positives
are missing. They do list the 2001 Swiss EPO positive that the guy
responsible is on record as saying is not a positive.

They are claiming evidence of 2009-10 blood transfusions, which wouldn't
threaten any of his Tour victories.

Looks to be quite a 3 ring circus.


And whatever may have occurred previously, it's somewhat hard to
imagine that he was still "enhanced" in 2009/2010. I thought that
comeback was partially for the purpose of being able to lay to rest
earlier doping allegations by competing clean (and performing
credibly), taking advantage of the ostensibly cleaner peloton at that
time. It's a theory.

In contrast to other cases where the science of analytical findings is
challenged, I'm not quite sure how he addresses eyewitness testimony.
It probably won't be sufficient to merely say they are lying. And the
ploy of "But, I've done great things as an anti-cancer crusader,"
even to the extent it may be true, is not relevant.

DR

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Old June 14th 12, 09:37 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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Looks to be quite a 3 ring circus.



In contrast to other cases where the science of analytical findings is
challenged, I'm not quite sure how he addresses eyewitness testimony.
It probably won't be sufficient to merely say they are lying.


Floyd

Tyler

If Armstrong forfeits any Tour wins who get the win Ulrich & Pantani.

There is enough evidence to make anybody suspicious but give me a
break how long has this gone on & at what cost?
Surely there are better uses of peoples time any money.




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Old June 14th 12, 09:47 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
atriage[_6_]
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On 14/06/2012 21:37, steve wrote:

Looks to be quite a 3 ring circus.



In contrast to other cases where the science of analytical findings is
challenged, I'm not quite sure how he addresses eyewitness testimony.
It probably won't be sufficient to merely say they are lying.


Floyd

Tyler

If Armstrong forfeits any Tour wins who get the win Ulrich& Pantani.


Yeah they're gonna dig him up and nail a yellow shirt on him.


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Old June 15th 12, 01:14 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Wednesday, June 13, 2012 4:56:25 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lance-...PaV_story.html


Which of the other respondents will be the first to turn on Armstrong?
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Old June 15th 12, 02:30 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Randall
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.On Jun 13, 2:56*pm, Michael wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lance-...sh-doping-char...


Most of the charges are flimsy. The USDA accusation of blood
manipulation is the one that Lance has to be concerned about, They
also claimed that the tax doctors were found with . needles and other
thing such as measuring devices were found. It is not against UCI
regulations to possess these. They are doctors after all. There's
new rules that regulate injections. This is a good thing.
 




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