Proposed Cyclist Legislation.

1. Compulsory training for those 16 years and over - optional training for
younger people via schools.
2. A theory test - just like the Highway Code specific for cyclists -
which must be passed in order to get a cycling permit.
3. Compulsory third party insurance.
4. Enforcement of requirements for bikes including brakes, reflectors and
lights.
5. Each cycle to have unique ID and be registered to individual.
6. Much stronger enforcement of dealing with cyclists breaking laws.
7. Each cyclist to be registered, with requirements being checked every
five years- of them and their bike.
8. Each cyclist issued with hi-viz slip on/slip over which must be worn at
all times whilst cycling.
9. Unique cyclist's registration number displayed on back of hi-viz
garment and clearly visible.
10. Loss of cycling permit for repeat law-breakers - and crushing of cycle
for persistent offenders or those guilty of serious offence.
11. Total costs of scheme to be carried by cyclists and cycling charities
(CTC) - and cyclists only: not out of general taxation.

"Judith" wrote in message
...
1. Compulsory training for those 16 years and over - optional training for
younger people via schools.
2. A theory test - just like the Highway Code specific for cyclists -
which must be passed in order to get a cycling permit.
3. Compulsory third party insurance.
4. Enforcement of requirements for bikes including brakes, reflectors and
lights.
5. Each cycle to have unique ID and be registered to individual.
6. Much stronger enforcement of dealing with cyclists breaking laws.
7. Each cyclist to be registered, with requirements being checked every
five years- of them and their bike.
8. Each cyclist issued with hi-viz slip on/slip over which must be worn at
all times whilst cycling.
9. Unique cyclist's registration number displayed on back of hi-viz
garment and clearly visible.
10. Loss of cycling permit for repeat law-breakers - and crushing of cycle
for persistent offenders or those guilty of serious offence.
11. Total costs of scheme to be carried by cyclists and cycling charities
(CTC) - and cyclists only: not out of general taxation.

PLUS ONE!

On Fri, 29 May 2015 17:13:22 +0100, Judith
wrote:

1. Compulsory training for those 16 years and over - optional training for
younger people via schools.
2. A theory test - just like the Highway Code specific for cyclists -
which must be passed in order to get a cycling permit.
3. Compulsory third party insurance.
4. Enforcement of requirements for bikes including brakes, reflectors and
lights.
5. Each cycle to have unique ID and be registered to individual.
6. Much stronger enforcement of dealing with cyclists breaking laws.
7. Each cyclist to be registered, with requirements being checked every
five years- of them and their bike.
8. Each cyclist issued with hi-viz slip on/slip over which must be worn at
all times whilst cycling.
9. Unique cyclist's registration number displayed on back of hi-viz
garment and clearly visible.
10. Loss of cycling permit for repeat law-breakers - and crushing of cycle
for persistent offenders or those guilty of serious offence.
11. Total costs of scheme to be carried by cyclists and cycling charities
(CTC) - and cyclists only: not out of general taxation.




Why the need?

Wasn't legislation introduced a few years ago that said that in the
event of a collision between a cyclist and a car then the car driver
was automatically deemed liable?

So no requirement for cyclists to even be able to steer in a straight
line.

On 29/05/2015 17:38, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
"Judith" wrote in message
...
1. Compulsory training for those 16 years and over - optional training for
younger people via schools.
2. A theory test - just like the Highway Code specific for cyclists -
which must be passed in order to get a cycling permit.
3. Compulsory third party insurance.
4. Enforcement of requirements for bikes including brakes, reflectors and
lights.
5. Each cycle to have unique ID and be registered to individual.
6. Much stronger enforcement of dealing with cyclists breaking laws.
7. Each cyclist to be registered, with requirements being checked every
five years- of them and their bike.
8. Each cyclist issued with hi-viz slip on/slip over which must be worn at
all times whilst cycling.
9. Unique cyclist's registration number displayed on back of hi-viz
garment and clearly visible.
10. Loss of cycling permit for repeat law-breakers - and crushing of cycle
for persistent offenders or those guilty of serious offence.
11. Total costs of scheme to be carried by cyclists and cycling charities
(CTC) - and cyclists only: not out of general taxation.

PLUS ONE!

Hi-viz to be a codified uniform colour, in order to readily distinguish
a moving road-user from a workman or member of the emergency services:

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On 29/05/2015 19:35, Juan Carr wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2015 17:13:22 +0100, Judith
wrote:

1. Compulsory training for those 16 years and over - optional training for
younger people via schools.
2. A theory test - just like the Highway Code specific for cyclists -
which must be passed in order to get a cycling permit.
3. Compulsory third party insurance.
4. Enforcement of requirements for bikes including brakes, reflectors and
lights.
5. Each cycle to have unique ID and be registered to individual.
6. Much stronger enforcement of dealing with cyclists breaking laws.
7. Each cyclist to be registered, with requirements being checked every
five years- of them and their bike.
8. Each cyclist issued with hi-viz slip on/slip over which must be worn at
all times whilst cycling.
9. Unique cyclist's registration number displayed on back of hi-viz
garment and clearly visible.
10. Loss of cycling permit for repeat law-breakers - and crushing of cycle
for persistent offenders or those guilty of serious offence.
11. Total costs of scheme to be carried by cyclists and cycling charities
(CTC) - and cyclists only: not out of general taxation.




Why the need?

Wasn't legislation introduced a few years ago that said that in the
event of a collision between a cyclist and a car then the car driver
was automatically deemed liable?


No, it wasn't.

"Mrcheerful" wrote in message
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On 29/05/2015 19:35, Juan Carr wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2015 17:13:22 +0100, Judith
wrote:

1. Compulsory training for those 16 years and over - optional training
for
younger people via schools.
2. A theory test - just like the Highway Code specific for cyclists -
which must be passed in order to get a cycling permit.
3. Compulsory third party insurance.
4. Enforcement of requirements for bikes including brakes, reflectors
and
lights.
5. Each cycle to have unique ID and be registered to individual.
6. Much stronger enforcement of dealing with cyclists breaking laws.
7. Each cyclist to be registered, with requirements being checked every
five years- of them and their bike.
8. Each cyclist issued with hi-viz slip on/slip over which must be worn
at
all times whilst cycling.
9. Unique cyclist's registration number displayed on back of hi-viz
garment and clearly visible.
10. Loss of cycling permit for repeat law-breakers - and crushing of
cycle
for persistent offenders or those guilty of serious offence.
11. Total costs of scheme to be carried by cyclists and cycling
charities
(CTC) - and cyclists only: not out of general taxation.




Why the need?

Wasn't legislation introduced a few years ago that said that in the
event of a collision between a cyclist and a car then the car driver
was automatically deemed liable?


No, it wasn't.

It was proposed though

(it is, pretty much, the law in Germany and they want the EU to extend their
nanny state)

tim

On 29/05/2015 20:13, tim..... wrote:

"Mrcheerful" wrote in message
...
On 29/05/2015 19:35, Juan Carr wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2015 17:13:22 +0100, Judith
wrote:

1. Compulsory training for those 16 years and over - optional
training for
younger people via schools.
2. A theory test - just like the Highway Code specific for cyclists -
which must be passed in order to get a cycling permit.
3. Compulsory third party insurance.
4. Enforcement of requirements for bikes including brakes,
reflectors and
lights.
5. Each cycle to have unique ID and be registered to individual.
6. Much stronger enforcement of dealing with cyclists breaking laws.
7. Each cyclist to be registered, with requirements being checked every
five years- of them and their bike.
8. Each cyclist issued with hi-viz slip on/slip over which must be
worn at
all times whilst cycling.
9. Unique cyclist's registration number displayed on back of hi-viz
garment and clearly visible.
10. Loss of cycling permit for repeat law-breakers - and crushing of
cycle
for persistent offenders or those guilty of serious offence.
11. Total costs of scheme to be carried by cyclists and cycling
charities
(CTC) - and cyclists only: not out of general taxation.




Why the need?

Wasn't legislation introduced a few years ago that said that in the
event of a collision between a cyclist and a car then the car driver
was automatically deemed liable?


No, it wasn't.

It was proposed though

(it is, pretty much, the law in Germany and they want the EU to extend
their nanny state)

tim

It was proposed that cyclists be imprisoned for causing death by
dangerous cycling, cyclists were alarmed, why should they be sanctioned
for the pedestrians they kill?

Kate Hoey proposed cyclist registration.

These are also irrelevant as they have not been made law in the UK

In article , tim.....
writes
(it is, pretty much, the law in Germany and they want the EU to extend their
nanny state)

Replace nanny with fascist, well they lost the war and look likely to
win the peace.

Mike

--
Michael Swift We do not regard Englishmen as foreigners.
Kirkheaton We look on them only as rather mad Norwegians.
Yorkshire Halvard Lange

On 29/05/2015 17:13, Judith wrote:
1. Compulsory training for those 16 years and over - optional training for
younger people via schools.
2. A theory test - just like the Highway Code specific for cyclists -
which must be passed in order to get a cycling permit.
3. Compulsory third party insurance.
4. Enforcement of requirements for bikes including brakes, reflectors and
lights.
5. Each cycle to have unique ID and be registered to individual.
6. Much stronger enforcement of dealing with cyclists breaking laws.
7. Each cyclist to be registered, with requirements being checked every
five years- of them and their bike.
8. Each cyclist issued with hi-viz slip on/slip over which must be worn at
all times whilst cycling.
9. Unique cyclist's registration number displayed on back of hi-viz
garment and clearly visible.
10. Loss of cycling permit for repeat law-breakers - and crushing of cycle
for persistent offenders or those guilty of serious offence.
11. Total costs of scheme to be carried by cyclists and cycling charities
(CTC) - and cyclists only: not out of general taxation.


I hear that drivers don't need today's speed limits
because the car brakes are that much more powerful.

Problem is however that the roads are still the same
narrow size. Around here you get a couple of big
trucks coming at each other and they both have to
drop to a crawl to get past each other. This on
blind tree lined bends.

So with just a lot of traffic there simply is no room
for a bicycle. Because out in the country lanes there is
no pavement. Now it would be nice if drivers didn't have
to immediately overtake the cyclist, plunging themselves
into on coming traffic, but they do.

You maybe be very lucky when a truck bombing it down
hill will move out some. But if there is traffic coming
up, no, there is no slowing. Feel the wind blow as the
giant truck whistles past your ear at full speed as
it tries to car up with the traffic, or flying cars.

Heaven forbid if these trucks had to hit the breaks because
they don't stop until they're at the bottom of the hill.

Further out in the long country road stretches without pavements
you'll find the speeding sports cars taking blind bends
at 200mph. All the while hugging the tree line.

In town there's a right turn I make which has its own lane.
Now the road coming out onto this main road has a no left
turn sign. But there's always a car there driving into you.

Yes there are cycle lanes, these are full of pedestrians
walking 4 abreast, even thought there's pavement beside
the cycle lane, they choose the cycle lane. Often the lanes
are blocked with yacking mothers and pram blockers. And
of course it's full of broken glass for obvious reasons.
And what ever speed you go past these pedestrians lane
blockers they hate you for your sudden appearance.

And of course there's the walkers who never look around
as they walk right across the cycle lane in a dream
like state. Same goes for groups of children on bikes
who don't look around who cycle from one pavement area,
across the road to the other side. And then turn the air
blue if they're bibbed up.





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On 30/05/2015 02:04, Blue wrote:
On 29/05/2015 17:13, Judith wrote:
1. Compulsory training for those 16 years and over - optional
training for
younger people via schools.
2. A theory test - just like the Highway Code specific for cyclists -
which must be passed in order to get a cycling permit.
3. Compulsory third party insurance.
4. Enforcement of requirements for bikes including brakes,
reflectors and
lights.
5. Each cycle to have unique ID and be registered to individual.
6. Much stronger enforcement of dealing with cyclists breaking laws.
7. Each cyclist to be registered, with requirements being checked
every
five years- of them and their bike.
8. Each cyclist issued with hi-viz slip on/slip over which must be
worn at
all times whilst cycling.
9. Unique cyclist's registration number displayed on back of hi-viz
garment and clearly visible.
10. Loss of cycling permit for repeat law-breakers - and crushing
of cycle
for persistent offenders or those guilty of serious offence.
11. Total costs of scheme to be carried by cyclists and cycling
charities
(CTC) - and cyclists only: not out of general taxation.


I hear that drivers don't need today's speed limits
because the car brakes are that much more powerful.

Problem is however that the roads are still the same
narrow size. Around here you get a couple of big
trucks coming at each other and they both have to
drop to a crawl to get past each other. This on
blind tree lined bends.

So with just a lot of traffic there simply is no room
for a bicycle. Because out in the country lanes there is
no pavement. Now it would be nice if drivers didn't have
to immediately overtake the cyclist, plunging themselves
into on coming traffic, but they do.

You maybe be very lucky when a truck bombing it down
hill will move out some. But if there is traffic coming
up, no, there is no slowing. Feel the wind blow as the
giant truck whistles past your ear at full speed as
it tries to car up with the traffic, or flying cars.

Heaven forbid if these trucks had to hit the breaks because
they don't stop until they're at the bottom of the hill.

Further out in the long country road stretches without pavements
you'll find the speeding sports cars taking blind bends
at 200mph. All the while hugging the tree line.

In town there's a right turn I make which has its own lane.
Now the road coming out onto this main road has a no left
turn sign. But there's always a car there driving into you.

Yes there are cycle lanes, these are full of pedestrians
walking 4 abreast, even thought there's pavement beside
the cycle lane, they choose the cycle lane. Often the lanes
are blocked with yacking mothers and pram blockers. And
of course it's full of broken glass for obvious reasons.
And what ever speed you go past these pedestrians lane
blockers they hate you for your sudden appearance.

And of course there's the walkers who never look around
as they walk right across the cycle lane in a dream
like state. Same goes for groups of children on bikes
who don't look around who cycle from one pavement area,
across the road to the other side. And then turn the air
blue if they're bibbed up.


The one that is the anachronism is the cyclist, get them off the streets
and pavements and everyone else's lot will be improved.