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"Kurgan Gringioni" wrote in message ...
"jerry" wrote in message om... The french have some future with Gadret, Lefebvre and Mourey. I also count on Pospisil, Dlask and Jezek for a top-10 place. Replying here, but comment is to thread - Number one, Gucci does not make a steel hanger for that bike. JP is not in a position to have some hangers made up on a vertical mill, please. That is a dumbass thing to suggest. Same as welding on gussets? How are you going to weld on a gusset to an aluminum der. hanger? He has been bitching about it, but beyond having custom parts machined on a CNC or something (ever actually LOOKED at a bolt on der. hanger before?) his hands are tied. Dumbass - You are ignorant. Don't need a CNC - any old hand operated mill will do. I have a 1958 Bridgeport, it's worth maybe $2000, less than the cost of a bike. Any bike builder has one of those - that's what they miter the tubes with. I dont think I am that ignorant. Machining a dropout/hanger is not equivalent to mitering tubes, or else the frame builders would be making their own hangers, wouldn't they? How many hours do you think would go into making a bolt on hanger by hand? And how much does a machine shop charge by the hour? And how much do you make for a living riding your bike? The hangers that are on all my AL frames, and his, are break away styles that bolt on. Its a fairly complex shape where it bolts to the dropout, it dovetails with the dropout shape. Also the der. tension adjustment tab would not be that simple to locate and form by hand. NO, I am no machinist, but I did try to have one MADE by a machine shop locally for an older GT MTB, and that part would have been pretty impractical to make manually, according to the machinists, and they wanted to laser the profile and then machine in the features. It would have been a very expensive piece. I believe that direct experience, and the fact that, BTW I do 3D CAD design/engineering (solidworks, inventor, etc) for a living, moves me slightly above IGNORANT. You also have to put the whole thing in the context of the situation. They were fine for the first part of the season. It sounds like the bend during the race, maybe leading to a chain suck that rips them off, or they just bend badly. He is not crashing them off. He is not some rich masters racer who owns ONE cross bike and races 10 times a season. You break a couple. OK, thats why they are replacable. You start e-mailing you bike sponsor for a new batch. Then you continue to race/ride those bikes. You break one. Now you are yelling, at the bike sponsor, ok he only speaks italian, thats just a small complication. They are shipping you some, but its coming from Italy, from the factory, to Belgium. You try going to a bike shop to have some steel ones ordered. You wait a week. The first batch is close but they dont fit. You order a second batch, you wait another week. Meanwhile you are still riding the three replacements. In races. In Belgium. In World Cups. You are shipping the bikes to the US and back twice. Now you thing about looking for a machine shop who will not charge you more then the frame is worth to make some, etc. All this in basicaly 14 weeks. And 30 international races. Plus I think he rides during the week once in a while. And its not like he doesn't have anything else to do all week besides chase derailleur hangers. Bottom line, its a ****ty part. It sounds like Gucci does not use steel ones on any of its bikes. I would hope they improve it based on this, but that does not help JP any this season. Richard would have been all over it, no question. You pick up the phone, you get the boss. Thats great, but that is also why people like Richard are not sponsoring US freaking Postal. Eventually you have move on to a bigger program. Anyway, none of this has **** to do with whether there are any prospects for US Cyclocross. Ignorant J |
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JP has found his level, it's between about 15th and 25th (on a good
day) when all the top crossers are there. I highly doubt he's going to have a big jump in ability all of a sudden and be riding at the front of big races. JP has 10 top tens out of 30 UCI events this season. In Belgium. Where I think a bunch of good cross racers live. He has 10 finishes between 11-20th. Last year he had 3 top tens. I think that is a big jump. If you were in Belgium, watching the actual races, you would also see that he is usually at the front, in the lead group, riding "above" his level. That in itself is a HUGE step from chasing guys all race, and ending up maybe in about the same position in the end. He is RACING this year. I see no reason why his current trajectory should not/could not continue next season. That would put him into the top ten on any given weekend. He also just turned 27 in September. Why couldn't he be a World Cup winner or Worlds/World Cup podium finisher when he is at his physical peak, say 30? Three seasons from now? I do not think it is unrealistic at all. Look at Tyler Hamilton's progression, for example. My point was that we have riders of equivalent talent in the US as they do in Belgium. But, you cannot make the jump from the best US rider at your age, to a top international rider without spending the time in Europe. By that reasoning, if we start setting kids up over there, like we started to this year, we should have every reason to expect that the future can and will be bright. J |
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JP has 10 top tens out of 30 UCI events this season. In Belgium. Where
I think a bunch of good cross racers live. He has 10 finishes between 11-20th. Last year he had 3 top tens. I think that is a big jump. His UCI ranking doesn't seem to reflect this! If you were in Belgium, watching the actual races, you would also see that he is usually at the front, in the lead group, riding "above" his level. That in itself is a HUGE step from chasing guys all race, and ending up maybe in about the same position in the end. He is RACING this year. Well, I watch all I can and read the coverage. Page seems to be able to make the initial selection when a lot of other riders do, not when it's a small selection. I see no reason why his current trajectory should not/could not continue next season. That would put him into the top ten on any given weekend. I hope you're right, I'm not trying to bash Page just being realistic. He also just turned 27 in September. Why couldn't he be a World Cup winner or Worlds/World Cup podium finisher when he is at his physical peak, say 30? Three seasons from now? I do not think it is unrealistic at all. Look at Tyler Hamilton's progression, for example. Tyler's result were great the last couple of years but he showed that potential when riding on Postal, he just didn't have the freedom. |
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"jerry" wrote in message m... NO, I am no machinist, but I did try to have one MADE by a machine shop locally for an older GT MTB, and that part would have been pretty impractical to make manually, according to the machinists, and they wanted to laser the profile and then machine in the features. It would have been a very expensive piece. I believe that direct experience, and the fact that, BTW I do 3D CAD design/engineering (solidworks, inventor, etc) for a living, moves me slightly above IGNORANT. Dumbass - You are ignorant. It's a simple piece. Any half-assed machinist could do it. I could do it and I am very half-assed. You're not talking to the right machine shop. |
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"Howard Kveck" wrote in message ... The shop I work at has a few Mori Seiki VMCs and some smaller ones by Fanuc, and we have a couple of horizontals, too. We also have a few CNC lathes. Mori Seiki - high zoot. I'm gonna be taking a Haas VMC class soon, just for learning how to better make prototype stuff. Am a crappy machinist, but just finished a piece that a real machinist like yourself might find interesting. It mostly involved tube bending - we had to make some custom tooling for it. Too bad you don't live in SoCal - I'd like to pick your brain. |
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In article ,
"Kurgan Gringioni" wrote: "Howard Kveck" wrote in message ... The shop I work at has a few Mori Seiki VMCs and some smaller ones by Fanuc, and we have a couple of horizontals, too. We also have a few CNC lathes. Mori Seiki - high zoot. They rather nicely prove the theory of "you get what you pay for" in machines. I'm gonna be taking a Haas VMC class soon, just for learning how to better make prototype stuff. Am a crappy machinist, but just finished a piece that a real machinist like yourself might find interesting. It mostly involved tube bending - we had to make some custom tooling for it. The classes that are available now are ---so--- much better than when I took 'em when I was starting out. The stuff that we were being shown in class had exactly nothing to do with what we did at work. With the availability of reasonably priced CAD/CAM software and CNC machines that are not too expensive (and still have a lot of cool features), the cost of setting up a shop to do proto work is so much more within the reach of everyday people. (Obviously, some of those machines are not well suited to 24-7 operation...) Too bad you don't live in SoCal - I'd like to pick your brain. Granted, it isn't the same as holding a part in your paw (which makes for much easier visualization of what the intended outcome is to be), but I'm not hard to get hold of... -- tanx, Howard "I'm not lying, I'm writing fiction with my lips!" Homer Simpson remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok? |
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uh. i'm speechless!!!!
e-RICHIE "jerry" wrote in message m... (richard sachs) wrote in message . com... doesn't gucci use the same hanger and material as is found in all the frames gettin' dirty over there? e-RICHIE He got advice from Mario on this, all the guys on Ridleys and Empellas run steel hangers. They dont fit. Of course. I quizzed them some more last night, and the consesus is that the hangers are good for about 2 weeks of hard riding, then they are sufficiently weakened that bumpy hard riding/shifting can suck them into the spokes. He now has a batch of new ones that he is putting on only for the races. Pretty much all he can do at this point. Coincedently, he went to several machine shops recently and they all said he did not want to pay to have those made, it would be too much. So he did try that route. Same thing I was told by two shops here. J (still ignorant I guess) |
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