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Near Miss of the Day 453: Punishment pass on two-abreast cyclists
On 11:46 11 Aug 2020, Simon Mason said:
On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 11:42:06 AM UTC+1, Pamela wrote: On 11:37 11 Aug 2020, Simon Mason said: On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 11:35:00 AM UTC+1, Pamela wrote: If everyone rode a bicycle, who would pay for the roads the bicycles ride on? Council tax payers, as they do now? Local council receive most of their funding from central government. It is calculated that 7% of all national tax income is paid by motorists. Whereas drivers DAMAGE 100% of road infrastucture and people and houses and bridges and the air. They should pay MUCH more than the pittance they already do. It's not entirely clear on what basis cyclists rest their claim to be allowed to use roads. Perhaps it relies on indulgence or prioritisation of minorities. Would it settle future arguments if cyclists were simply prohibited from using the roads? I can see a lot of people being upset by that but do cyclists have an absolute right in law to use the roads? |
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Near Miss of the Day 453: Punishment pass on two-abreast cyclists
On 11/08/2020 11:44, Pamela wrote:
On 17:21 10 Aug 2020, Simon Mason said: What an ignorant tosser this driver is. QUOTE: One of the most common complaints against cyclists that you will read on social media or in the comments section of local newspapers is that they are riding two abreast, even though that is perfectly legal - but it does seem to have become embedded among a certain section of the motoring public that it's not allowed, and that riders doing so are breaking the rules. Which leads us up to this punishment pass by a van driver on a pair of cyclists riding side by side on the A4 between Chippenham and Bath - what's more, one made just as the riders were moving into single file to allow for a safe overtake. The video was shot by road.cc reader Jody, who said: "We were chatting while keeping a keen eye out for cars behind, ready to drop into single line at the first thought of hindrance to anyone really. "That wasn’t enough for one Traffic van diver however, who chose to hold their high speed pass with a horn blast throughout, as they skimmed their 2-tonne-at-least vehicle past my shoulder, in - I guess - punishment, for the perceived infraction. "On the plus side, the view over the hill was beautiful. Angry driver was probably chewing their steering wheel at that point, so may have missed it." https://road.cc/content/news/near-mi...st-punishment- pass-276327 I was watching the video and waiting to see this "punishment pass" when it ended. All I saw was a van driver overtake some cyclists and make a courtesy toot to warn them of his presence. Cyclist are prone to wobbling and also not knowing what is behind them. In continental countries such toots to announce a vehicles's presence is very common. An Italian friend of mine used to sound his car's horn - long and hard - on crossing a very sharp hump-backed bridge (over a stream) near his home in Tuscany. Since there were several houses adjacent to the spot, this mortified me. |
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Near Miss of the Day 453: Punishment pass on two-abreast cyclists
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 22:57:11 GMT, JNugent
wrote: On 10/08/2020 19:50, Simon Mason wrote: On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 7:44:49 PM UTC+1, Pamela wrote: The proposed amendment to the Highway Code will say "[cyclists should] ride in single file when drivers wish to overtake and it is safe to let them do so". Which essentially confirms that old rule. If you read the story, the cyclists moved into single file to let the van driver past. Why they then decided to pass by at high speed very close while leaning on their horn, only they will know. Totally unnecessary behaviour. You are deliberately avoiding the point about not obstructing (which happened when the cyclists were riding in parallel rather than in series, totally unnecessarily). Are you suggesting that cyclists should pull over or be squeezed into the kerb so that the driver can pass without hitting on-coming traffic? Unbelievable. I doubt very much a 1.5 passing distance could be observed. in such circumstances. Highly hazardous. If it is unsafe for a driver to overtake a car correctly he/she shouldn't attempt to intimidate cyclists for the sake of a few seconds journey time. It's wrong. Let's hear you agree. -- Bah, and indeed, Humbug. |
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Near Miss of the Day 453: Punishment pass on two-abreast cyclists
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 10:37:41 GMT, Pamela wrote:
On 19:44 10 Aug 2020, Pamela said: On 18:45 10 Aug 2020, JNugent said: On 10/08/2020 17:21, Simon Mason wrote: What an ignorant tosser this driver is. QUOTE: One of the most common complaints against cyclists that you will read on social media or in the comments section of local newspapers is that they are riding two abreast, even though that is perfectly legal - but it does seem to have become embedded among a certain section of the motoring public that it's not allowed, and that riders doing so are breaking the rules. What about this rule? Highway Code Rule 168 Being overtaken ... Never obstruct drivers who wish to pass. The proposed amendment to the Highway Code will say "[cyclists should] ride in single file when drivers wish to overtake and it is safe to let them do so". Which essentially confirms that old rule. http://bit.ly/3ktyGJ1 -or- http://b.link/3cm4w The wording is different but provides essentially the same instruction. Note Carefully the words "safe to do so". -- Bah, and indeed, Humbug. |
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Near Miss of the Day 453: Punishment pass on two-abreast cyclists
On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 12:00:52 PM UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
Whereas drivers DAMAGE 100% of road infrastucture and people and houses and bridges and the air. They should pay MUCH more than the pittance they already do. It's not entirely clear on what basis cyclists rest their claim to be allowed to use roads. The Highway Code has a full section that relates to cyclists' use of the roads. Have you ever read a copy? https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-high...lists-59-to-82 |
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Near Miss of the Day 453: Punishment pass on two-abreast cyclists
On 11/08/2020 13:37, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 10:37:41 GMT, Pamela wrote: On 19:44 10 Aug 2020, Pamela said: On 18:45 10 Aug 2020, JNugent said: On 10/08/2020 17:21, Simon Mason wrote: What an ignorant tosser this driver is. QUOTE: One of the most common complaints against cyclists that you will read on social media or in the comments section of local newspapers is that they are riding two abreast, even though that is perfectly legal - but it does seem to have become embedded among a certain section of the motoring public that it's not allowed, and that riders doing so are breaking the rules. What about this rule? Highway Code Rule 168 Being overtaken ... Never obstruct drivers who wish to pass. The proposed amendment to the Highway Code will say "[cyclists should] ride in single file when drivers wish to overtake and it is safe to let them do so". Which essentially confirms that old rule. http://bit.ly/3ktyGJ1 -or- http://b.link/3cm4w The wording is different but provides essentially the same instruction. Note Carefully the words "safe to do so". When is it not safe to ride in single file? |
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Near Miss of the Day 453: Punishment pass on two-abreast cyclists
On 11/08/2020 14:01, Simon Mason wrote:
On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 12:00:52 PM UTC+1, Pamela wrote: Whereas drivers DAMAGE 100% of road infrastucture and people and houses and bridges and the air. They should pay MUCH more than the pittance they already do. It's not entirely clear on what basis cyclists rest their claim to be allowed to use roads. The Highway Code has a full section that relates to cyclists' use of the roads. Have you ever read a copy? https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-high...lists-59-to-82 You obviously haven't, otherwise you would be aware of the rule which says (inter alia): "Never obstruct a driver who wishes to pass". |
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Near Miss of the Day 453: Punishment pass on two-abreast cyclists
On 11/08/2020 13:36, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 22:57:11 GMT, JNugent wrote: On 10/08/2020 19:50, Simon Mason wrote: On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 7:44:49 PM UTC+1, Pamela wrote: The proposed amendment to the Highway Code will say "[cyclists should] ride in single file when drivers wish to overtake and it is safe to let them do so". Which essentially confirms that old rule. If you read the story, the cyclists moved into single file to let the van driver past. Why they then decided to pass by at high speed very close while leaning on their horn, only they will know. Totally unnecessary behaviour. You are deliberately avoiding the point about not obstructing (which happened when the cyclists were riding in parallel rather than in series, totally unnecessarily). Are you suggesting that cyclists should pull over or be squeezed into the kerb so that the driver can pass without hitting on-coming traffic? Unbelievable. The Highway Code "suggests" this. I doubt very much a 1.5 passing distance could be observed. in such circumstances. Highly hazardous. Tell us: where is this alleged "1.5m" clearance provided for in law? Which Act? Which Statutory Instrument? [here's the space for the eerie silence in response...............] If it is unsafe for a driver to overtake a car correctly he/she shouldn't attempt to intimidate cyclists for the sake of a few seconds journey time. It's wrong. Let's hear you agree. Who gets to decide what is "safe" or "unsafe"? And on what basis? Please be clear in your answer, citing the relevant legislation. |
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Near Miss of the Day 453: Punishment pass on two-abreast cyclists
On 14:01 11 Aug 2020, Simon Mason said:
On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 12:00:52 PM UTC+1, Pamela wrote: Whereas drivers DAMAGE 100% of road infrastucture and people and houses and bridges and the air. They should pay MUCH more than the pittance they already do. It's not entirely clear on what basis cyclists rest their claim to be allowed to use roads. The Highway Code has a full section that relates to cyclists' use of the roads. Have you ever read a copy? https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-high...lists-59-to-82 How does the Highway Code confer the right to use the road? It offers guidance for those who do use the roads but it does not guarantee they can always do so. |
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Near Miss of the Day 453: Punishment pass on two-abreast cyclists
On 13:36 11 Aug 2020, Kerr-Mudd,John said:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 22:57:11 GMT, JNugent wrote: On 10/08/2020 19:50, Simon Mason wrote: On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 7:44:49 PM UTC+1, Pamela wrote: The proposed amendment to the Highway Code will say "[cyclists should] ride in single file when drivers wish to overtake and it is safe to let them do so". Which essentially confirms that old rule. If you read the story, the cyclists moved into single file to let the van driver past. Why they then decided to pass by at high speed very close while leaning on their horn, only they will know. Totally unnecessary behaviour. You are deliberately avoiding the point about not obstructing (which happened when the cyclists were riding in parallel rather than in series, totally unnecessarily). Are you suggesting that cyclists should pull over or be squeezed into the kerb so that the driver can pass without hitting on-coming traffic? That would be an excellent idea. Hitting oncoming traffic head on is to be avoided wherever possible. It is a small price to pay if cyclists get squeezed closer to the kerb. Unbelievable. I doubt very much a 1.5 passing distance could be observed. in such circumstances. Highly hazardous. If it is unsafe for a driver to overtake a car correctly he/she shouldn't attempt to intimidate cyclists for the sake of a few seconds journey time. It's wrong. Let's hear you agree. |
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