Near Miss of the Day 453: Punishment pass on two-abreast cyclists

On 13/08/2020 15:52, TMS320 wrote:

On 13/08/2020 11:51, Pamela wrote:
On 22:00Â* 12 Aug 2020, TMS320 said:
On 11/08/2020 11:41, Pamela wrote:
On 11:37Â* 11 Aug 2020, Simon Mason said:
On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 11:35:00 AM UTC+1, Pamela

If everyone rode a bicycle, who would pay for the roads the
bicycles ride on?

Council tax payers, as they do now?

Local council receive most of their funding from central government.

That 23% is of course an average. Some councils get less (some
nothing), some get more.

It is only in the last year that local government's own contribution
Â*has crept past 50%.Â* What I say remains true for the full decade.
Here is a more accurate assessment.

You can watch the pictures if the words are too difficult.

It looks as though that's all you managed to do. It obviously goes with
your inability to pack a bag.

When the government steals business rates it's dishonest to claim the
portion returned is "government funding".

That's rubbish.

When local government had the ability to do whatever it liked in
connection with business rates, some councils, chief among them Mad
Ken's loony GLC, had a declared policy of setting them high as a way of
extracting money from "capitalism" and spending it on (their) voters. It
was a form of legalised corruption and taking that power away from
legally-corrupt councillors was well overdue.

Since one of the central planks of the UK's local government finance
system involves transfer of resources from net paying areas to net
consuming areas, taking control of unified business rate revenue and
distributing it on the basis of needs rather than location of business
was an obvious policy. It's easy to see that the City of London (for
instance) has a high potential yield for business rates that is not
matched by unmet need for services to its (rather small number of)
citizens. The political debate rages over the level at which "needs"
transfers should be made and the formula for its calculation is one of
the differences between the main parties (and the LibDems).

My LA also has to pay tax on the profit of its business activities.

What "tax" would that be? Does the LA do business or does it merely own
shares in a company which does business? There's a big difference
between those positions.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...unding-england

There, I've fixed the link for you. (It's rather sweet how you and
Nugent cuddle up to each other.)

That just would not copy properly in Chrome.

On 13/08/2020 16:34, Pamela wrote:
On 12:07 13 Aug 2020, JNugent said:
On 13/08/2020 11:51, Pamela wrote:
On 22:00 12 Aug 2020, TMS320 said:
On 11/08/2020 11:41, Pamela wrote:
On 11:37 11 Aug 2020, Simon Mason said:
On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 11:35:00 AM UTC+1, Pamela wrote:

If everyone rode a bicycle, who would pay for the roads the
bicycles ride on?

Council tax payers, as they do now?

Local council receive most of their funding from central government.


That 23% is of course an average. Some councils get less (some
nothing), some get more.

It is only in the last year that local government's own contribution
has crept past 50%. What I say remains true for the full decade. Here
is a more accurate assessment. You can watch the pictures if the words
are too difficult.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...al-government-
funding-england

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/local-government

[avoiding wrap problems]

Some newsreaders automatically form a URL of a link within delimiters but I
post without because if you CnP folded links then delimiters are a nuisance.

It still didn't grab the last bit of the URL. Nest time I'll try a
different browser for that.

On 16:47 13 Aug 2020, JNugent said:

On 13/08/2020 16:34, Pamela wrote:
On 12:07 13 Aug 2020, JNugent said:
On 13/08/2020 11:51, Pamela wrote:
On 22:00 12 Aug 2020, TMS320 said:
On 11/08/2020 11:41, Pamela wrote:
On 11:37 11 Aug 2020, Simon Mason said:
On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 11:35:00 AM UTC+1, Pamela wrote:

If everyone rode a bicycle, who would pay for the roads the
bicycles ride on?

Council tax payers, as they do now?

Local council receive most of their funding from central
government.


That 23% is of course an average. Some councils get less (some
nothing), some get more.

It is only in the last year that local government's own contribution
has crept past 50%. What I say remains true for the full decade.
Here is a more accurate assessment. You can watch the pictures if
the words are too difficult.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...lainers/local-
government-funding-england

https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...lainers/local-
government

[avoiding wrap problems]

Some newsreaders automatically form a URL of a link within delimiters
but I post without because if you CnP folded links then delimiters are
a nuisance.

It still didn't grab the last bit of the URL. Nest time I'll try a
different browser for that.

I saw the end part got missed but I believe your suggestion was to use
delimiters. For longer URLs I've started using URL shorteners.

On 16:46 13 Aug 2020, JNugent said:

On 13/08/2020 15:52, TMS320 wrote:

On 13/08/2020 11:51, Pamela wrote:
On 22:00Â* 12 Aug 2020, TMS320 said:
On 11/08/2020 11:41, Pamela wrote:
On 11:37Â* 11 Aug 2020, Simon Mason said:
On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 11:35:00 AM UTC+1, Pamela

If everyone rode a bicycle, who would pay for the roads the
bicycles ride on?

Council tax payers, as they do now?

Local council receive most of their funding from central government.

That 23% is of course an average. Some councils get less (some
nothing), some get more.

It is only in the last year that local government's own contribution
Â*has crept past 50%.Â* What I say remains true for the full decade.
Here is a more accurate assessment.

You can watch the pictures if the words are too difficult.

It looks as though that's all you managed to do. It obviously goes with
your inability to pack a bag.

When the government steals business rates it's dishonest to claim the
portion returned is "government funding".

That's rubbish.

When local government had the ability to do whatever it liked in
connection with business rates, some councils, chief among them Mad
Ken's loony GLC, had a declared policy of setting them high as a way of
extracting money from "capitalism" and spending it on (their) voters. It
was a form of legalised corruption and taking that power away from
legally-corrupt councillors was well overdue.

Since one of the central planks of the UK's local government finance
system involves transfer of resources from net paying areas to net
consuming areas, taking control of unified business rate revenue and
distributing it on the basis of needs rather than location of business
was an obvious policy. It's easy to see that the City of London (for
instance) has a high potential yield for business rates that is not
matched by unmet need for services to its (rather small number of)
citizens. The political debate rages over the level at which "needs"
transfers should be made and the formula for its calculation is one of
the differences between the main parties (and the LibDems).

My LA also has to pay tax on the profit of its business activities.

What "tax" would that be? Does the LA do business or does it merely own
shares in a company which does business? There's a big difference
between those positions.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...lainers/local-
government-funding-england

There, I've fixed the link for you. (It's rather sweet how you and
Nugent cuddle up to each other.)

That just would not copy properly in Chrome.

There's something about TMS320 which suggests a discontented soul.

When he's not here praising snitches using cycle-cams, he might well be
advocating the cause of Freemen On The Land and videoing police at work or
organising a council tax boycott.

On 22:17 12 Aug 2020, TMS320 said:

On 11/08/2020 11:44, Pamela wrote:

All I saw was a van driver overtake some cyclists and make a courtesy toot
to warn them of his presence. Cyclist are prone to wobbling and also not
knowing what is behind them.

In continental countries such toots to announce a vehicles's presence is
very common.

They do it before overtaking, not while overtaking. The idea of a
warning is that it gives the target time to react or prepare.

By the way, can you tell me what your nym means? Not wishing to pry but I
presume it had its origin in something significant to you.

On 15:52 13 Aug 2020, TMS320 said:

When the government steals business rates it's dishonest to claim the
portion returned is "government funding".

Here we go ... "government steals business rates". Isn't there a forum
somewhere where you can rant about that sort of thing without bothering
normal people?

Surely you don't need to parade your distorted political views everywhere.

On 13/08/2020 17:24, Pamela wrote:

By the way, can you tell me what your nym means? Not wishing to pry but I
presume it had its origin in something significant to you.

It's a Texas Instruments DSP. I did some coding on one so I had a manual
which stood out as I glanced at my bookshelf.

On 13/08/2020 16:46, JNugent wrote:
On 13/08/2020 15:52, TMS320 wrote:
On 13/08/2020 11:51, Pamela wrote:
On 22:00Â* 12 Aug 2020, TMS320 said:
On 11/08/2020 11:41, Pamela wrote:
On 11:37Â* 11 Aug 2020, Simon Mason said:
On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 11:35:00 AM UTC+1, Pamela

If everyone rode a bicycle, who would pay for the roads the
bicycles ride on?

Council tax payers, as they do now?

Local council receive most of their funding from central government.

That 23% is of course an average. Some councils get less (some
nothing), some get more.

It is only in the last year that local government's own contribution
Â*has crept past 50%.Â* What I say remains true for the full decade.
Here is a more accurate assessment.

You can watch the pictures if the words are too difficult.

It looks as though that's all you managed to do. It obviously goes
with your inability to pack a bag.

When the government steals business rates it's dishonest to claim the
portion returned is "government funding".

That's rubbish.

"Stealing" was bound to be contentious. Unusually, you actually provided
a sensible and reasoned response. Well done.

But I still think it wrong to call money that goes out, a grant when it
comes back.

When local government had the ability to do whatever it liked in
connection with business rates, some councils, chief among them Mad
Ken's loony GLC, had a declared policy of setting them high as a way of
extracting money from "capitalism" and spending it on (their) voters. It
was a form of legalised corruption and taking that power away from
legally-corrupt councillors was well overdue.

Since one of the central planks of the UK's local government finance
system involves transfer of resources from net paying areas to net
consuming areas, taking control of unified business rate revenue and
distributing it on the basis of needs rather than location of business
was an obvious policy. It's easy to see that the City of London (for
instance) has a high potential yield for business rates that is not
matched by unmet need for services to its (rather small number of)
citizens. The political debate rages over the level at which "needs"
transfers should be made and the formula for its calculation is one of
the differences between the main parties (and the LibDems).

My LA also has to pay tax on the profit of its business activities.

What "tax" would that be?

I just threw it in to illustrate that the LA is a net contributor.

Does the LA do business or does it merely own
shares in a company which does business? There's a big difference
between those positions.

Both, I understand.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...unding-england

There, I've fixed the link for you. (It's rather sweet how you and
Nugent cuddle up to each other.)

That just would not copy properly in Chrome.

I use Chrome.

On 13/08/2020 17:41, Pamela wrote:
On 15:52 13 Aug 2020, TMS320 said:

When the government steals business rates it's dishonest to claim the
portion returned is "government funding".

Here we go ... "government steals business rates". Isn't there a forum
somewhere where you can rant about that sort of thing without bothering
normal people?

It's here.

Surely you don't need to parade your distorted political views everywhere.

All political views are distorted, except one's own.

On 19:36 13 Aug 2020, TMS320 said:
On 13/08/2020 17:24, Pamela wrote:

By the way, can you tell me what your nym means? Not wishing to pry but I
presume it had its origin in something significant to you.

It's a Texas Instruments DSP. I did some coding on one so I had a manual
which stood out as I glanced at my bookshelf.

The experience must have left an impression. Seesm that device goes back to
the 1980s.

Did you ever read Osbourne's "An Introduction to Microcomputers"?

It came out in several volumes some years before the TMS320. Volume 2
featured the TMS1000 amongst others.