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Old October 20th 20, 10:55 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Mason[_6_]
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Default Video: Slow-moving idiot driver forces cyclist off the road onWoodhead Pass

What an absolute dickhead this driver is.
QUOTE:
A cyclist who was out riding with his partner in the Pennines on Saturday has filmed the moment a motorist pulled up slowly alongside him and tried to force him into the verge at the side of the road.

NB - As mentioned in several comments, there is an issue with the datestamp on the video; for the sake of clarity it was filmed on Saturday 17 October 2020 at approximately 2pm.

The footage shared on YouTube by road.cc reader Karl-Eric, begins with him tapping him on the side of a Kia car as the driver squeezes him towards the verge, the cyclist saying, “You've got to give me more space than that, you can't do that!”

He told road.cc: “I am Belgian. This is relevant as the attitude to cyclists is slightly different there and I have learnt to bike on the road by using 'my space' (aka about an arm length from the gutter). When doing group rides in the UK, I've noticed that the other riders are often closer to the gutter than I would deem safe.

“I am a seasoned cyclist I already rode over 5,000km this year so far. I do a fair bit of off-road biking on my gravel bike – mainly due to the Tiles Explorer aspect of VeloViewer.

“I was with my partner, she has started cycling again about 18 months ago and she has some confidence issues. She should end the year with having ridden over 2,000km.

“The ride in question ... We'd just got a hard to get, off-road Tile, hence we had our CX tyres on. This is relevant as when 'attacked' by the car I knew I could always go in the gutter with no risk.”

Karl-Eric explained that his action camera was turned off for the initial part of the encounter with the Kia driver, but he turned it on as things began to escalate.

“As we were riding back, I noticed that my partner who was behind me was leading a long line of cars,” he said, “the first one being way too close for comfort. She was cycling between the cat’s eyes and the side of the road, uphill. Remember she is a fairly new cyclist and has confidence issues. I decided to let her pass on the inside to 'protect' her from the pressure of the nearest car.

“As I moved into the road (no car there at that time) to let her pass, the driver of the car that was behind her overtook her, came to my side and started to shout at me (I couldn't hear anything as the windows were closed!).

“They were getting very close to me. I was asking them to move away and indicating the same with my right arm. My partner was impressed that I never swore!

“The driver came closer to me – the wing (sic) mirror of the car being near my cockpit, so I pushed it in.

“This is the first time the car pushed me out of the road. I tried to 'push him away' by knocking his wing (sic) mirror again. The driver stopped, stepped out of the car and was shouting at me.

“I was not going to engage with him so, using my CX tyres, I rode on the side of the road and carried on back on it in front of the vehicle. I also turned on my Cycliq Fly12 camera.”

“He came again and you can see the footage. On the rest of the footage, you can see that car later, on a lay-by, waiting for us. Thank God he moved away before we got to there – I am not sure my partner would have biked past him.

“At the time, my partner was very shaken and only wanted to get out of that road and stop cycling. She felt better after a bit of pootling along the Trans Pennine Trail and a coffee/cake in Penistone.

“I was fuming. I will not let a bully, bully me out of the road! As long as it is safe (and I did think it was given the speed and the usable space to my left – thank God for CX tyres!) I will stand up to bullies.

“Since then I have had restless nights ... trying to get closure. Have I overreacted when I pushed his wing (sic) mirror?

“I have contacted the police but apparently, this bit of road is owed between Manchester police, West Yorkshire Police, Derbyshire police and South Yorkshire Police.

“I have got great support from South Yorkshire Police but it is not really their 'responsibility'. I have also contacted the insurance company of the driver to alert them of his dangerous driving.

I want to insist that this driver is not representative of all drivers,” he added. “The next three cars stopped and asked my partner how she felt.

“(When she saw what was happening she stopped cycling). Most cars on that road give you ample space when overtaking you. You just need one to spoil a ride though.”

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Old October 20th 20, 12:06 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Video: Slow-moving idiot driver forces cyclist off the road onWoodhead Pass

On 20/10/2020 10:55, Simon Mason wrote:
What an absolute dickhead this driver is. QUOTE: A cyclist who was
out riding with his partner in the Pennines on Saturday has filmed
the moment a motorist pulled up slowly alongside him and tried to
force him into the verge at the side of the road.


Always curious how drivers in a hurry have the time to argue.
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Old October 20th 20, 02:01 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Tuesday, October 20, 2020 at 12:06:14 PM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
On 20/10/2020 10:55, Simon Mason wrote:
What an absolute dickhead this driver is. QUOTE: A cyclist who was
out riding with his partner in the Pennines on Saturday has filmed
the moment a motorist pulled up slowly alongside him and tried to
force him into the verge at the side of the road.


Always curious how drivers in a hurry have the time to argue.


Indeed:
QUOTE:
alansmurphy | 2420 posts | 5 hours ago
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Another absoulte (SIC) mouth breather who is annoyed at being held up but has plenty of time to intimidate and attempt to hurt someone based on their chosen method of transport...

There is a mention of 'he' so was that an idiot female passenger who was shouting in support of their car sharers violence?
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Old October 20th 20, 03:31 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Video: Slow-moving idiot driver forces cyclist off the road onWoodhead Pass

On 20/10/2020 10:55, Simon Mason wrote:
What an absolute dickhead this driver is.
QUOTE:
A cyclist who was out riding with his partner in the Pennines on Saturday has filmed the moment a motorist pulled up slowly alongside him and tried to force him into the verge at the side of the road.

NB - As mentioned in several comments, there is an issue with the datestamp on the video; for the sake of clarity it was filmed on Saturday 17 October 2020 at approximately 2pm.

The footage shared on YouTube by road.cc reader Karl-Eric, begins with him tapping him on the side of a Kia car as the driver squeezes him towards the verge, the cyclist saying, “You've got to give me more space than that, you can't do that!”

He told road.cc: “I am Belgian. This is relevant as the attitude to cyclists is slightly different there and I have learnt to bike on the road by using 'my space' (aka about an arm length from the gutter). When doing group rides in the UK, I've noticed that the other riders are often closer to the gutter than I would deem safe.

“I am a seasoned cyclist I already rode over 5,000km this year so far. I do a fair bit of off-road biking on my gravel bike – mainly due to the Tiles Explorer aspect of VeloViewer.

“I was with my partner, she has started cycling again about 18 months ago and she has some confidence issues. She should end the year with having ridden over 2,000km.

“The ride in question ... We'd just got a hard to get, off-road Tile, hence we had our CX tyres on. This is relevant as when 'attacked' by the car I knew I could always go in the gutter with no risk.”

Karl-Eric explained that his action camera was turned off for the initial part of the encounter with the Kia driver, but he turned it on as things began to escalate.

“As we were riding back, I noticed that my partner who was behind me was leading a long line of cars,” he said, “the first one being way too close for comfort. She was cycling between the cat’s eyes and the side of the road, uphill. Remember she is a fairly new cyclist and has confidence issues. I decided to let her pass on the inside to 'protect' her from the pressure of the nearest car.

“As I moved into the road (no car there at that time) to let her pass, the driver of the car that was behind her overtook her, came to my side and started to shout at me (I couldn't hear anything as the windows were closed!).

“They were getting very close to me. I was asking them to move away and indicating the same with my right arm. My partner was impressed that I never swore!

“The driver came closer to me – the wing (sic) mirror of the car being near my cockpit, so I pushed it in.

“This is the first time the car pushed me out of the road. I tried to 'push him away' by knocking his wing (sic) mirror again. The driver stopped, stepped out of the car and was shouting at me.

“I was not going to engage with him so, using my CX tyres, I rode on the side of the road and carried on back on it in front of the vehicle. I also turned on my Cycliq Fly12 camera.”

“He came again and you can see the footage. On the rest of the footage, you can see that car later, on a lay-by, waiting for us. Thank God he moved away before we got to there – I am not sure my partner would have biked past him.

“At the time, my partner was very shaken and only wanted to get out of that road and stop cycling. She felt better after a bit of pootling along the Trans Pennine Trail and a coffee/cake in Penistone.

“I was fuming. I will not let a bully, bully me out of the road! As long as it is safe (and I did think it was given the speed and the usable space to my left – thank God for CX tyres!) I will stand up to bullies.

“Since then I have had restless nights ... trying to get closure. Have I overreacted when I pushed his wing (sic) mirror?

“I have contacted the police but apparently, this bit of road is owed between Manchester police, West Yorkshire Police, Derbyshire police and South Yorkshire Police.

“I have got great support from South Yorkshire Police but it is not really their 'responsibility'. I have also contacted the insurance company of the driver to alert them of his dangerous driving.

I want to insist that this driver is not representative of all drivers,” he added. “The next three cars stopped and asked my partner how she felt.

“(When she saw what was happening she stopped cycling). Most cars on that road give you ample space when overtaking you. You just need one to spoil a ride though.”

https://road.cc/content/news/video-d...ad-pass-278091


"cockpit"?

QUOTE:
Karl-Eric explained that his action camera was turned off for the
initial part of the encounter with the Kia driver, but he turned it on
as things began to escalate.
ENDQUOTE

Yeah, right.


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Old October 20th 20, 03:33 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Video: Slow-moving idiot driver forces cyclist off the road onWoodhead Pass

On 20/10/2020 12:06, TMS320 wrote:

On 20/10/2020 10:55, Simon Mason wrote:


What an absolute dickhead this driver is. QUOTE: A cyclist who was
out riding with his partner in the Pennines on Saturday has filmed
the moment a motorist pulled up slowly alongside him and tried to
force him into the verge at the side of the road.


Always curious how drivers in a hurry have the time to argue.


It is very obvious that the video as uploaded shows only the later
stages of the encounter. Something else had happened first and had
caused the "disgreement".

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Old October 20th 20, 05:22 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Tuesday, October 20, 2020 at 10:55:22 AM UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:
What an absolute dickhead this driver is.


The cars behind the idiot driving like a ****** stopped and asked if the cyclists were OK. They would make great witnesses.
If this video of shocking and deliberately dangerous behaviour is not good enough evidence for a prosecution, then nothing is. There is no way you can ever justify this sort of driving.

https://road.cc/content/news/video-d...ad-pass-278091


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Old October 21st 20, 05:28 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Video: Slow-moving idiot driver forces cyclist off the road onWoodhead Pass

On Tuesday, 20 October 2020 at 10:55:22 UTC+1, wrote:
What an absolute dickhead this driver is.
QUOTE:
A cyclist who was out riding with his partner in the Pennines on Saturday has filmed the moment a motorist pulled up slowly alongside him and tried to force him into the verge at the side of the road.

NB - As mentioned in several comments, there is an issue with the datestamp on the video; for the sake of clarity it was filmed on Saturday 17 October 2020 at approximately 2pm.

The footage shared on YouTube by road.cc reader Karl-Eric, begins with him tapping him on the side of a Kia car as the driver squeezes him towards the verge, the cyclist saying, “You've got to give me more space than that, you can't do that!”

He told road.cc: “I am Belgian. This is relevant as the attitude to cyclists is slightly different there and I have learnt to bike on the road by using 'my space' (aka about an arm length from the gutter). When doing group rides in the UK, I've noticed that the other riders are often closer to the gutter than I would deem safe.

“I am a seasoned cyclist I already rode over 5,000km this year so far. I do a fair bit of off-road biking on my gravel bike – mainly due to the Tiles Explorer aspect of VeloViewer.

“I was with my partner, she has started cycling again about 18 months ago and she has some confidence issues. She should end the year with having ridden over 2,000km.

“The ride in question ... We'd just got a hard to get, off-road Tile, hence we had our CX tyres on. This is relevant as when 'attacked' by the car I knew I could always go in the gutter with no risk.”

Karl-Eric explained that his action camera was turned off for the initial part of the encounter with the Kia driver, but he turned it on as things began to escalate.

“As we were riding back, I noticed that my partner who was behind me was leading a long line of cars,” he said, “the first one being way too close for comfort. She was cycling between the cat’s eyes and the side of the road, uphill. Remember she is a fairly new cyclist and has confidence issues. I decided to let her pass on the inside to 'protect' her from the pressure of the nearest car.

“As I moved into the road (no car there at that time) to let her pass, the driver of the car that was behind her overtook her, came to my side and started to shout at me (I couldn't hear anything as the windows were closed!).

“They were getting very close to me. I was asking them to move away and indicating the same with my right arm. My partner was impressed that I never swore!

“The driver came closer to me – the wing (sic) mirror of the car being near my cockpit, so I pushed it in.

“This is the first time the car pushed me out of the road. I tried to 'push him away' by knocking his wing (sic) mirror again. The driver stopped, stepped out of the car and was shouting at me.

“I was not going to engage with him so, using my CX tyres, I rode on the side of the road and carried on back on it in front of the vehicle. I also turned on my Cycliq Fly12 camera.”

“He came again and you can see the footage. On the rest of the footage, you can see that car later, on a lay-by, waiting for us. Thank God he moved away before we got to there – I am not sure my partner would have biked past him.

“At the time, my partner was very shaken and only wanted to get out of that road and stop cycling. She felt better after a bit of pootling along the Trans Pennine Trail and a coffee/cake in Penistone.

“I was fuming. I will not let a bully, bully me out of the road! As long as it is safe (and I did think it was given the speed and the usable space to my left – thank God for CX tyres!) I will stand up to bullies.

“Since then I have had restless nights ... trying to get closure. Have I overreacted when I pushed his wing (sic) mirror?

“I have contacted the police but apparently, this bit of road is owed between Manchester police, West Yorkshire Police, Derbyshire police and South Yorkshire Police.

“I have got great support from South Yorkshire Police but it is not really their 'responsibility'. I have also contacted the insurance company of the driver to alert them of his dangerous driving.

I want to insist that this driver is not representative of all drivers,” he added. “The next three cars stopped and asked my partner how she felt.

“(When she saw what was happening she stopped cycling). Most cars on that road give you ample space when overtaking you. You just need one to spoil a ride though.”

https://road.cc/content/news/video-d...ad-pass-278091


Why were the motor vehicles not on the parallel M62?
There is a 'perfectly good' motorway provided 'at great expense to the tax payer'.
Not that this justifies cyclists using their vehicles as weapons against motorists who use Woodhead Pass if they so choose.


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Old October 21st 20, 06:14 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Wednesday, October 21, 2020 at 5:28:51 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:

https://road.cc/content/news/video-d...ad-pass-278091


Why were the motor vehicles not on the parallel M62?
There is a 'perfectly good' motorway provided 'at great expense to the tax payer'.


To be fair, the M62 is some 15 miles north of Woodhead Pass. Which doesn't excuse his idiotic and dangerous driving, of course.
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Old October 21st 20, 06:53 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Video: Slow-moving idiot driver forces cyclist off the road onWoodhead Pass

On Wednesday, 21 October 2020 at 18:14:35 UTC+1, wrote:
On Wednesday, October 21, 2020 at 5:28:51 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:

https://road.cc/content/news/video-d...ad-pass-278091


Why were the motor vehicles not on the parallel M62?
There is a 'perfectly good' motorway provided 'at great expense to the tax payer'.

To be fair, the M62 is some 15 miles north of Woodhead Pass. Which doesn't excuse his idiotic and dangerous driving, of course.


15 miles with a maximum speed limit of 60mph means the average law abiding driver will be there in 10 mins.

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Old October 21st 20, 07:27 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Wednesday, October 21, 2020 at 6:53:58 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
On Wednesday, 21 October 2020 at 18:14:35 UTC+1, wrote:
On Wednesday, October 21, 2020 at 5:28:51 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:

https://road.cc/content/news/video-d...ad-pass-278091

Why were the motor vehicles not on the parallel M62?
There is a 'perfectly good' motorway provided 'at great expense to the tax payer'.

To be fair, the M62 is some 15 miles north of Woodhead Pass. Which doesn't excuse his idiotic and dangerous driving, of course.


15 miles with a maximum speed limit of 60mph means the average law abiding driver will be there in 10 mins.


Assuming they're not going to Tintwistle.
 




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