Jim Ochowicz...cycling godfather...talks about the Tour.

Bill C wrote:
On Jul 24, 8:58 am, Bob Schwartz
wrote:

I haven't voted in a USAC election in years. Because voting
is NOT better than nothing. Not when it comes to USAC
elections.

Och is a miserable ****.

Bob Schwartz

I'm not sure of that. The change has got to come from somewhere, and
everyone came back so that pressure is gone. At least we have some
folks running, or already there working to fix it from the inside.
The problem is they'll probably end up the same way Gerard, and Les
did.
Bill C

Dude,

Monarchies don't work that way. There does not
have to be change, it doesn't have to come from
anywhere.

Change will come when Wiesel dies or gets tired
of this particular toy. And then the change will
be the installation of a new monarch.

USAC governance does not mean what you think it
does. Mike Plant took care of that a long time
ago. Your friends on the inside will figure that
out and then leave, to be replaced by other
people that think they can make a difference.
That is the nature of the Great Circle of
Irrelevance that is USAC governance.

Bob Schwartz

MagillaGorilla wrote:
Lisa's Voits were the only thing good about her.

Tits? Teeth? Both?

On Jul 24, 10:08*am, Bob Schwartz
wrote:

USAC governance does not mean what you think it
does. Mike Plant took care of that a long time
ago. Your friends on the inside will figure that
out and then leave, to be replaced by other
people that think they can make a difference.
That is the nature of the Great Circle of
Irrelevance that is USAC governance.

Bob Schwartz- Hide quoted text -

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Guess I'm too much of an optimist, or just pig headed, but you are
probably right.
Bill C

Bill C wrote:
On Jul 24, 10:08 am, Bob Schwartz
wrote:
USAC governance does not mean what you think it
does. Mike Plant took care of that a long time
ago. Your friends on the inside will figure that
out and then leave, to be replaced by other
people that think they can make a difference.
That is the nature of the Great Circle of
Irrelevance that is USAC governance.

Bob Schwartz- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Guess I'm too much of an optimist, or just pig headed, but you are
probably right.
Bill C

The biggest changes at the grassroots level has been
in USAC's relationships with the local associations.
Very positive changes, I might add. This was driven
by people leaving, not by working within the system.

Just sayin',

Bob Schwartz

On Jul 24, 11:25 am, Bob Schwartz
wrote:
Bill C wrote:
On Jul 24, 10:08 am, Bob Schwartz
wrote:
USAC governance does not mean what you think it
does. Mike Plant took care of that a long time
ago. Your friends on the inside will figure that
out and then leave, to be replaced by other
people that think they can make a difference.
That is the nature of the Great Circle of
Irrelevance that is USAC governance.

Bob Schwartz- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Guess I'm too much of an optimist, or just pig headed, but you are
probably right.
Bill C

The biggest changes at the grassroots level has been
in USAC's relationships with the local associations.
Very positive changes, I might add. This was driven
by people leaving, not by working within the system.

Just sayin',

Bob Schwartz

Agreed Bob
Putting things in local hands has been really good for us here. Now
those same people are trying to bring some of that outlook to USAC.
The folks out there may have well cut their own throat in the long run
anyway. Similar to UCI/ASO mess, but the regional and local groups
seem to be about racers and races, and making things better. If they
went away tomorrow I really don't think it'd make any real difference
here at all. Maybe a bit more in insurance costs, maybe not. I think
everyone else would just continue to do what they have been doing,
including the officials, without Colorado.
Bill C

On Jul 24, 8:25*am, Bob Schwartz
wrote:
Bill C wrote:
On Jul 24, 10:08 am, Bob Schwartz
wrote:
USAC governance does not mean what you think it
does. Mike Plant took care of that a long time
ago. Your friends on the inside will figure that
out and then leave, to be replaced by other
people that think they can make a difference.
That is the nature of the Great Circle of
Irrelevance that is USAC governance.

Bob Schwartz- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Guess I'm too much of an optimist, or just pig headed, but you are
probably right.
*Bill C

The biggest changes at the grassroots level has been
in USAC's relationships with the local associations.
Very positive changes, I might add. This was driven
by people leaving, not by working within the system.

Just sayin',

Bob Schwartz

NCNCA re-joined by one vote.

"Democracies" don't work that way either.

On Jul 24, 9:39*am, Bill C wrote:
Maybe a bit more in insurance costs, maybe not. I think
everyone else would just continue to do what they have been doing,
including the officials, without Colorado.

Be careful with the terms you use. Colorado has been independent of
"Colorado" for almost ten years now.

Bret

"MagillaGorilla" wrote in message
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Frank Drackman wrote:
"MagillaGorilla" wrote in message
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caffetrieste wrote:


The video interview is he

http://www.cycleto.com/index.php?opt...article&id=416

This guy is a piece of ****. He's a corrupt punk who fired Bisceglia
because Gerard told him he can't pocket $100K of what should have been
federation money for himself.

Ochowicz is also part of the whole Lance/Wiesel coterie.

Magilla


He is a walking, talking conflict of interest. "I need to switch hats,
so that I can move money from my left pocket to my right."




This cycleto guy - who apparently has a website that is based upon a
business model of copyright infringement, comes in here and tries to pawn
off Ochowicz like some "star" of cycling.

Anybody in the sport who knows anything about the sport knows Och is a
corrupt piece of garbage.

Bisceglia is still suing him for wrongful termination. Bisceglia - a
decent guy - was fired because he caught Och using his position as USAC
President to make 6-figure deals and then pocketing all the money for
himself as if Och personally had made the money unconnected to his
function as president.

Och is also the guy who claimed that the failure of batteries in the race
radio during the Sydney Olympics road race is what caused him to not be
able to inform the U.S. team that the 3 doped up Telekoms had gotten off
the front.

You gotta ask yourself why a guy wouldn't think to carry spare ****ing
batteries or radios during an Olympic road race. When I heard that
excuse, I knew the guy was incompetent. That's like a SCUBA diver
instructor saying his tank "accidently" ran out of air.

Mistakes like that are unacceptable and a sign of bush league
incompetency.

Och now works for Wiesel defrauding investors out of their San Francisco
hideout. Wiesel already had to pay several million in fines to stave off
lawsuits from prosecutors/regulators.

Unfortunately they installed their corrupt robot - Steve Johnson - as CEO.
Johnson is a guy who spends 90 days a year flying all over the world on
vacation junkets to various races on membership dime and then tells
cyclocross racers who qualified for the worlds team they have to pay for
their own airfare and accommodations.

Johnson, Sean Petty....these guys spend weeks at races all over the world
at a cost of tens of thousands of dollars to the membership. And there's
absolutely no reason for them to be there.


Magilla

I think that you forgot to include Shawn Farrell. IMO he is another POS who
makes his number one priority protecting his ass... and the asses of his
friends.

"Bob Schwartz" wrote in message
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Bill C wrote:
Ya know when you aren't just yanking chains you get right to the heart
of the ****, and no pulled punches. Soon as Gerard got the sheeple
back in line they booted his ass. Now the sheeple are happily going
with the flow once again. Voting is better than nothing, and there're
some people on the right page running.

Yeah, but Magilla forgot about Och's role in the Mike Plant
takeover in the 1990s. Och has a long history of being a
piece of ****, and when the cycleto guy says that without
Ochowicz, cycling in America would be a very different sport,
he not kidding.

Prior to that the USCF was financially stable. Plant drove
it right into the ground. And they set up a structure of
governance that is the reason that it doesn't matter who is
running.

I haven't voted in a USAC election in years. Because voting
is NOT better than nothing. Not when it comes to USAC
elections.

Och is a miserable ****.

Bob Schwartz

Like many others I thought about running but quickly realized that winning
would be an exercise of total frustration. The way the structure is setup
TW controls everything and the board has very limited power. It seems that
everyone who has tried to change the system for within has been quickly
marginalized.

Outside Magazine had an article a few years ago that is interesting:
http://outside.away.com/outside/feat...ns-club-1.html

On Jul 24, 2:58 pm, Bob Schwartz
wrote:
Bill C wrote:
Ya know when you aren't just yanking chains you get right to the heart
of the ****, and no pulled punches. Soon as Gerard got the sheeple
back in line they booted his ass. Now the sheeple are happily going
with the flow once again. Voting is better than nothing, and there're
some people on the right page running.

Yeah, but Magilla forgot about Och's role in the Mike Plant
takeover in the 1990s. Och has a long history of being a
piece of ****, and when the cycleto guy says that without
Ochowicz, cycling in America would be a very different sport,
he not kidding.

Prior to that the USCF was financially stable. Plant drove
it right into the ground. And they set up a structure of
governance that is the reason that it doesn't matter who is
running.

I haven't voted in a USAC election in years. Because voting
is NOT better than nothing. Not when it comes to USAC
elections.

Och is a miserable ****.

Bob Schwartz

I like to remember him relating to Phil Anderson, that is, when in
1992 (IIRC) when they dropped him like a dirty towel and then he made
some statement to the effect that Motorola wasn't a charity and they
were there to win races (Phil had won a stage of the Tour the year
before) not keep on excess baggage. Nice!

-ilan