Split link on deraillieur chain.

Is it even worth looking for one or should I just grab the chain punch?

Thanks.

On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 15:26:40 -0000, "Ian Field"
wrote:

Is it even worth looking for one or should I just grab the chain punch?

Thanks.

To be politically correct one should search a Shimano chain to
discover the original joining pin and remove that pin. It can be
identified by having a different end then the others.

In reality it may not make much of a difference as several shops have
told me that they, "just push out any pin".

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Mar 4, 3:26*pm, "Ian Field" wrote:
Is it even worth looking for one or should I just grab the chain punch?

Thanks.

What did the dice say?

On Mar 5, 6:19*am, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 15:26:40 -0000, "Ian Field"

wrote:
Is it even worth looking for one or should I just grab the chain punch?

Thanks.

To be politically correct one should search a Shimano chain to
discover the original joining pin and remove that pin. It can be
identified by having a different end then the others.

In reality it may *not make much of a difference as several shops have
told me that they, "just push out any pin".

--
Cheers,

John B.

I thought there was twenty or so pins that the skinny chain was
designed to have removed and that a different link be used with each
separation, or is that some other chain brand?

On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 00:12:28 -0800 (PST), thirty-six
wrote:

On Mar 5, 6:19*am, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 15:26:40 -0000, "Ian Field"

wrote:
Is it even worth looking for one or should I just grab the chain punch?

Thanks.

To be politically correct one should search a Shimano chain to
discover the original joining pin and remove that pin. It can be
identified by having a different end then the others.

In reality it may *not make much of a difference as several shops have
told me that they, "just push out any pin".

--
Cheers,

John B.

I thought there was twenty or so pins that the skinny chain was
designed to have removed and that a different link be used with each
separation, or is that some other chain brand?

To be frank I never counted them but if there is more then one I never
noticed them and yes, Shimano recommends and sells the special pin to
join chains. But as I said, several bike shops have told me that they
just press out any pin and used the same pin to re-join the chain. As
one of the shops is probably the largest, and considered probably the
best in Bangkok I suspect that if reusing the pin caused a multitude
of chain failures they would be a bit more conservative in their
recommendation.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 3/5/2012 5:52 AM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 00:12:28 -0800 (PST), thirty-six
wrote:

On Mar 5, 6:19 am, John wrote:
On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 15:26:40 -0000, "Ian Field"

wrote:
Is it even worth looking for one or should I just grab the chain punch?

Thanks.

To be politically correct one should search a Shimano chain to
discover the original joining pin and remove that pin. It can be
identified by having a different end then the others.

In reality it may not make much of a difference as several shops have
told me that they, "just push out any pin".

--
Cheers,

John B.

I thought there was twenty or so pins that the skinny chain was
designed to have removed and that a different link be used with each
separation, or is that some other chain brand?

To be frank I never counted them but if there is more then one I never
noticed them and yes, Shimano recommends and sells the special pin to
join chains. But as I said, several bike shops have told me that they
just press out any pin and used the same pin to re-join the chain. As
one of the shops is probably the largest, and considered probably the
best in Bangkok I suspect that if reusing the pin caused a multitude
of chain failures they would be a bit more conservative in their
recommendation.
--
Cheers,

John B.

I wouldn't do it. I'm not a fan of Shimano chains, and chain joining on
newer narrow chains (8 speed & up) is tricky even with experience. If I
had a chain without a quick/master link, I'd buy one a la carte.

The "Special Shimano" pin is the only place you DO NOT
want to break a Shimano chain..

Anywhere else is fine, but you need another "Special Shimano" pin
to rejoin..

I have used these for years with no problem. You do need a chain
tool however.

I do carry a KMC link in my tool kit for a problem in the woods
(or road). You still need a chain tool to remove the broken link in
order to reconnect the (now shortened - bad) chain on the road.

The Shimano pin is slightly larger in diameter than the rest
and disturbs some material on the side plates when installed,
thus the reason NOT to break the chain ever again in that spot.

Hope this helps to explain it.

Bob F.



On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 14:37:11 -0500, Peter Cole
wrote:

On 3/5/2012 5:52 AM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 00:12:28 -0800 (PST), thirty-six
wrote:

On Mar 5, 6:19 am, John wrote:
On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 15:26:40 -0000, "Ian Field"

wrote:
Is it even worth looking for one or should I just grab the chain punch?

Thanks.

To be politically correct one should search a Shimano chain to
discover the original joining pin and remove that pin. It can be
identified by having a different end then the others.

In reality it may not make much of a difference as several shops have
told me that they, "just push out any pin".

--
Cheers,

John B.

I thought there was twenty or so pins that the skinny chain was
designed to have removed and that a different link be used with each
separation, or is that some other chain brand?

To be frank I never counted them but if there is more then one I never
noticed them and yes, Shimano recommends and sells the special pin to
join chains. But as I said, several bike shops have told me that they
just press out any pin and used the same pin to re-join the chain. As
one of the shops is probably the largest, and considered probably the
best in Bangkok I suspect that if reusing the pin caused a multitude
of chain failures they would be a bit more conservative in their
recommendation.
--
Cheers,

John B.

I wouldn't do it. I'm not a fan of Shimano chains, and chain joining on
newer narrow chains (8 speed & up) is tricky even with experience. If I
had a chain without a quick/master link, I'd buy one a la carte.

"davethedave" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 15:26:40 +0000, Ian Field wrote:

Is it even worth looking for one or should I just grab the chain punch?

You lazy, hard of thinking muppet. Was there one there the last time you
cleaned it?
--
davethedave


When I scrounged it on freecycle the chain looked like it hadn't seen any
oil since the bike was bought.

Since then its had a couple of cans of moly/graphite chainspray followed by
a good smear of PTFE grease.

I'd have to break the chain so I can take it off and wash it in parafin to
get that lot off - so I can find the split link.

On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 14:37:11 -0500, Peter Cole
wrote:

On 3/5/2012 5:52 AM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 00:12:28 -0800 (PST), thirty-six
wrote:

On Mar 5, 6:19 am, John wrote:
On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 15:26:40 -0000, "Ian Field"

wrote:
Is it even worth looking for one or should I just grab the chain punch?

Thanks.

To be politically correct one should search a Shimano chain to
discover the original joining pin and remove that pin. It can be
identified by having a different end then the others.

In reality it may not make much of a difference as several shops have
told me that they, "just push out any pin".

--
Cheers,

John B.

I thought there was twenty or so pins that the skinny chain was
designed to have removed and that a different link be used with each
separation, or is that some other chain brand?

To be frank I never counted them but if there is more then one I never
noticed them and yes, Shimano recommends and sells the special pin to
join chains. But as I said, several bike shops have told me that they
just press out any pin and used the same pin to re-join the chain. As
one of the shops is probably the largest, and considered probably the
best in Bangkok I suspect that if reusing the pin caused a multitude
of chain failures they would be a bit more conservative in their
recommendation.
--
Cheers,

John B.

I wouldn't do it. I'm not a fan of Shimano chains, and chain joining on
newer narrow chains (8 speed & up) is tricky even with experience. If I
had a chain without a quick/master link, I'd buy one a la carte.

I didn't say that I did and in fact I use a master link. But from my
experience in shortening chains it seems little different from the
older chains. Press the pin until it allows the roller link to clear
the outer plate and leave it in the outer plate. When you join it
press it back. Just like we used to do.

The main difference seems to be the force one has to exert to sheer
the "flange" on the pin, which had originally been riveted in place.
--
Cheers,

John B.

"davethedave" wrote in message
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On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 22:47:01 +0000, Ian Field wrote:

When I scrounged it on freecycle the chain looked like it hadn't seen
any oil since the bike was bought.

Since then its had a couple of cans of moly/graphite chainspray followed
by a good smear of PTFE grease.

I'd have to break the chain so I can take it off and wash it in parafin
to get that lot off - so I can find the split link.

Toothbrush and a jar of dipping paraffin with many rags for soaking up
excess. You might just be better off getting a new chain.

I'd still have to clean it to count how many links!