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Broken wrist. I did not recognize the term 'osteosynthesis surgery' but that means something like 'patch': http://www.yellowjersey.org/WRISTNU.JPG -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:16:26 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.corriere.it/sport/21_apr...e940a2d0.shtml Broken wrist. I did not recognize the term 'osteosynthesis surgery' but that means something like 'patch': http://www.yellowjersey.org/WRISTNU.JPG -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 For that wrist to work normally without pain they have to remove all of that metal and all four screws or else arthritis will occur later in life. Nibali isn't a spring chicken and should have known a lot better than trying to catch himself with this hand rather than just using them to deflect himself into a rollover. |
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On 4/14/2021 11:41 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:16:26 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: https://www.corriere.it/sport/21_apr...e940a2d0.shtml Broken wrist. I did not recognize the term 'osteosynthesis surgery' but that means something like 'patch': http://www.yellowjersey.org/WRISTNU.JPG For that wrist to work normally without pain they have to remove all of that metal and all four screws or else arthritis will occur later in life. Nibali isn't a spring chicken and should have known a lot better than trying to catch himself with this hand rather than just using them to deflect himself into a rollover. "later in life" How late? That image is my very own bionic upgrade from 2006. After the first year I don't even notice it. Same experience for me in every stainless bone patch. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:41:32 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:16:26 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: https://www.corriere.it/sport/21_apr...e940a2d0.shtml Broken wrist. I did not recognize the term 'osteosynthesis surgery' but that means something like 'patch': http://www.yellowjersey.org/WRISTNU.JPG -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 For that wrist to work normally without pain they have to remove all of that metal and all four screws or else arthritis will occur later in life. Nibali isn't a spring chicken and should have known a lot better than trying to catch himself with this hand rather than just using them to deflect himself into a rollover. That's not true. Hardware usually stays in unless it becomes infected or causes mechanical pain. Hardware may limit movement for a variety of reasons, but it does not cause arthritis (absent infection). In fact, there is a lower rate of arthritis with ORIF than with closed reduction and casting. I had the plate and screws in my right ankle removed because they were misplaced, and pressure from my ski boot caused the screw heads to pop through my skin and bleed. I was the orthopedic Jesus with my ankle stigmata. I have a rod in my right tibia and broke a locking screw and had that removed, too. I still have the rod. I have well installed plate in my left ankle that will remain there until death. I have a tiny plate and screws in my hand that will also stay put. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 11:24:15 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote: On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:41:32 AM UTC-7, wrote: On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:16:26 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: https://www.corriere.it/sport/21_apr...e940a2d0.shtml Broken wrist. I did not recognize the term 'osteosynthesis surgery' but that means something like 'patch': http://www.yellowjersey.org/WRISTNU.JPG -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 For that wrist to work normally without pain they have to remove all of that metal and all four screws or else arthritis will occur later in life. Nibali isn't a spring chicken and should have known a lot better than trying to catch himself with this hand rather than just using them to deflect himself into a rollover. That's not true. Hardware usually stays in unless it becomes infected or causes mechanical pain. Hardware may limit movement for a variety of reasons, but it does not cause arthritis (absent infection). In fact, there is a lower rate of arthritis with ORIF than with closed reduction and casting. I had the plate and screws in my right ankle removed because they were misplaced, and pressure from my ski boot caused the screw heads to pop through my skin and bleed. I was the orthopedic Jesus with my ankle stigmata. I have a rod in my right tibia and broke a locking screw and had that removed, too. I still have the rod. I have well installed plate in my left ankle that will remain there until death. I have a tiny plate and screws in my hand that will also stay put. -- Jay Beattie. This is suppose to be a cycling technology newsgroup. Should you be getting the latest technology such as titanium or carbon fiber? "Biomechanics of bone-fracture fixation by stiffness-graded plates in comparison with stainless-steel plates" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1192810/ Or, maybe go high tech and have the bones stitched back together? "New surgical techniques - stitching up bones" https://www.dw.com/en/new-surgical-techniques-stitching-up-bones/av-17997929 -- Jeff Liebermann PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272 Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On 4/14/2021 2:24 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:41:32 AM UTC-7, wrote: On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:16:26 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: https://www.corriere.it/sport/21_apr...e940a2d0.shtml Broken wrist. I did not recognize the term 'osteosynthesis surgery' but that means something like 'patch': http://www.yellowjersey.org/WRISTNU.JPG -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 For that wrist to work normally without pain they have to remove all of that metal and all four screws or else arthritis will occur later in life. Nibali isn't a spring chicken and should have known a lot better than trying to catch himself with this hand rather than just using them to deflect himself into a rollover. That's not true. Hardware usually stays in unless it becomes infected or causes mechanical pain. Hardware may limit movement for a variety of reasons, but it does not cause arthritis (absent infection). In fact, there is a lower rate of arthritis with ORIF than with closed reduction and casting. I had the plate and screws in my right ankle removed because they were misplaced, and pressure from my ski boot caused the screw heads to pop through my skin and bleed. I was the orthopedic Jesus with my ankle stigmata. I have a rod in my right tibia and broke a locking screw and had that removed, too. I still have the rod. I have well installed plate in my left ankle that will remain there until death. I have a tiny plate and screws in my hand that will also stay put. Wow. I'm completely non-bionic. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 4/14/2021 12:11 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 11:24:15 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:41:32 AM UTC-7, wrote: On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:16:26 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: https://www.corriere.it/sport/21_apr...e940a2d0.shtml Broken wrist. I did not recognize the term 'osteosynthesis surgery' but that means something like 'patch': http://www.yellowjersey.org/WRISTNU.JPG -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 For that wrist to work normally without pain they have to remove all of that metal and all four screws or else arthritis will occur later in life. Nibali isn't a spring chicken and should have known a lot better than trying to catch himself with this hand rather than just using them to deflect himself into a rollover. That's not true. Hardware usually stays in unless it becomes infected or causes mechanical pain. Hardware may limit movement for a variety of reasons, but it does not cause arthritis (absent infection). In fact, there is a lower rate of arthritis with ORIF than with closed reduction and casting. I had the plate and screws in my right ankle removed because they were misplaced, and pressure from my ski boot caused the screw heads to pop through my skin and bleed. I was the orthopedic Jesus with my ankle stigmata. I have a rod in my right tibia and broke a locking screw and had that removed, too. I still have the rod. I have well installed plate in my left ankle that will remain there until death. I have a tiny plate and screws in my hand that will also stay put. -- Jay Beattie. This is suppose to be a cycling technology newsgroup. Should you be getting the latest technology such as titanium or carbon fiber? "Biomechanics of bone-fracture fixation by stiffness-graded plates in comparison with stainless-steel plates" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1192810/ Or, maybe go high tech and have the bones stitched back together? "New surgical techniques - stitching up bones" https://www.dw.com/en/new-surgical-techniques-stitching-up-bones/av-17997929 Jay didn't say that his hardware *wasn't* titanium. I think it's pretty commonly used, but I could be wrong. I'm saying that based on a tour some 15 years ago that my brother gave me of the orthopedic rod/plate/screw manufacturing facility where he worked, but the details are foggy. What I really remember were the *extensive* quality-control requirements. Mark J. |
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On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 12:45:32 PM UTC-7, Mark J. wrote:
On 4/14/2021 12:11 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 11:24:15 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:41:32 AM UTC-7, wrote: On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:16:26 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: https://www.corriere.it/sport/21_apr...e940a2d0.shtml Broken wrist. I did not recognize the term 'osteosynthesis surgery' but that means something like 'patch': http://www.yellowjersey.org/WRISTNU.JPG -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 For that wrist to work normally without pain they have to remove all of that metal and all four screws or else arthritis will occur later in life. Nibali isn't a spring chicken and should have known a lot better than trying to catch himself with this hand rather than just using them to deflect himself into a rollover. That's not true. Hardware usually stays in unless it becomes infected or causes mechanical pain. Hardware may limit movement for a variety of reasons, but it does not cause arthritis (absent infection). In fact, there is a lower rate of arthritis with ORIF than with closed reduction and casting.. I had the plate and screws in my right ankle removed because they were misplaced, and pressure from my ski boot caused the screw heads to pop through my skin and bleed. I was the orthopedic Jesus with my ankle stigmata. I have a rod in my right tibia and broke a locking screw and had that removed, too. I still have the rod. I have well installed plate in my left ankle that will remain there until death. I have a tiny plate and screws in my hand that will also stay put. -- Jay Beattie. This is suppose to be a cycling technology newsgroup. Should you be getting the latest technology such as titanium or carbon fiber? "Biomechanics of bone-fracture fixation by stiffness-graded plates in comparison with stainless-steel plates" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1192810/ Or, maybe go high tech and have the bones stitched back together? "New surgical techniques - stitching up bones" https://www.dw.com/en/new-surgical-techniques-stitching-up-bones/av-17997929 Jay didn't say that his hardware *wasn't* titanium. I think it's pretty commonly used, but I could be wrong. I'm saying that based on a tour some 15 years ago that my brother gave me of the orthopedic rod/plate/screw manufacturing facility where he worked, but the details are foggy. What I really remember were the *extensive* quality-control requirements. Mark J. My removed plate and screws were SS. I think Ti is more common for implants. My IM nail (rod) may be Ti. There is ton of QC on these things and they have to receive FDA approval under Medical Device Act, which is typically 510(k) approval, a much shorter process for new iterations of common products. Bad designs still creep through, as you can tell from all the class action ads. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 1:24:16 PM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:41:32 AM UTC-7, wrote: On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:16:26 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: https://www.corriere.it/sport/21_apr...e940a2d0.shtml Broken wrist. I did not recognize the term 'osteosynthesis surgery' but that means something like 'patch': http://www.yellowjersey.org/WRISTNU.JPG -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 For that wrist to work normally without pain they have to remove all of that metal and all four screws or else arthritis will occur later in life. Nibali isn't a spring chicken and should have known a lot better than trying to catch himself with this hand rather than just using them to deflect himself into a rollover. That's not true. Hardware usually stays in unless it becomes infected or causes mechanical pain. Hardware may limit movement for a variety of reasons, but it does not cause arthritis (absent infection). In fact, there is a lower rate of arthritis with ORIF than with closed reduction and casting. I had the plate and screws in my right ankle removed because they were misplaced, and pressure from my ski boot caused the screw heads to pop through my skin and bleed. I was the orthopedic Jesus with my ankle stigmata. I have a rod in my right tibia and broke a locking screw and had that removed, too. I still have the rod. I have well installed plate in my left ankle that will remain there until death. I have a tiny plate and screws in my hand that will also stay put. -- Jay Beattie. If Hollywood ever comes out with another Ironman or Robocop movie, they need to just drive to the next state up for the actor. No costume people needed. |
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On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 2:11:50 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 11:24:15 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:41:32 AM UTC-7, wrote: On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:16:26 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: https://www.corriere.it/sport/21_apr...e940a2d0.shtml Broken wrist. I did not recognize the term 'osteosynthesis surgery' but that means something like 'patch': http://www.yellowjersey.org/WRISTNU.JPG -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 For that wrist to work normally without pain they have to remove all of that metal and all four screws or else arthritis will occur later in life.. Nibali isn't a spring chicken and should have known a lot better than trying to catch himself with this hand rather than just using them to deflect himself into a rollover. That's not true. Hardware usually stays in unless it becomes infected or causes mechanical pain. Hardware may limit movement for a variety of reasons, but it does not cause arthritis (absent infection). In fact, there is a lower rate of arthritis with ORIF than with closed reduction and casting. I had the plate and screws in my right ankle removed because they were misplaced, and pressure from my ski boot caused the screw heads to pop through my skin and bleed. I was the orthopedic Jesus with my ankle stigmata. I have a rod in my right tibia and broke a locking screw and had that removed, too. I still have the rod. I have well installed plate in my left ankle that will remain there until death. I have a tiny plate and screws in my hand that will also stay put. -- Jay Beattie. This is suppose to be a cycling technology newsgroup. Should you be getting the latest technology such as titanium or carbon fiber? -- Jeff Liebermann Hey, there are old time bicyclists riding around out there. No helmets, friction shifters on the downtube, lugged steel frames, 5 speed freewheels, etc. Lugged steel is more than good enough. Next time Jay has a part added, he should contact one of the numerous local bike builders to install the part. Under medical supervision of course. Bike builder would only do the fitting and lug/tube shaping and welding/brazing. Doctor would do the cutting open and stitching back together parts of the surgery. |
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