Habanero shows up curved stays

Took the bike out today first ride 47 miles 2 hours 45 minutes never unclipped felt rock solid. No noise in the frame, quietest bike I ever ride. In the only real small down hill I got up to 34 mph and would fell confident it descends well. Nothing in these parts that allow going over 45 in a descent.

The only real one I do at the ski resort in Cadillac Michigan I get chicken at about 42 mph and start feather brakes. Maybe on this Habby I could let it go all out.

Great bike for sure weights about 18.4 with pedals in 58.How do those pros have the guts to tuck and ride above 50?

The no Faith Deacon Mark......slowing down

On Sat, 1 Apr 2017 18:53:24 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Took the bike out today first ride 47 miles 2 hours 45 minutes never unclipped felt rock solid. No noise in the frame, quietest bike I ever ride. In the only real small down hill I got up to 34 mph and would fell confident it descends well. Nothing in these parts that allow going over 45 in a descent.

The only real one I do at the ski resort in Cadillac Michigan I get chicken at about 42 mph and start feather brakes. Maybe on this Habby I could let it go all out.

Great bike for sure weights about 18.4 with pedals in 58.How do those pros have the guts to tuck and ride above 50?


Probably part of it is the 500,000 euros for first place :-)

The no Faith Deacon Mark......slowing down
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Cheers,

John B.

On Sat, 01 Apr 2017 07:59:34 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2017-03-31 17:45, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2017 07:51:25 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2017-03-30 23:37, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2017 16:37:06 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2017-03-30 07:31, wrote:
Ok my Habby shows up and beautiful Ti. I got the model with the
curved stays as opposed to straight. I was surprised by the large
curves ...


Until here I thought ... ahem ... about something similar to what Andrew
thought :-)


in chain and seat stays. Looks great have not had a chance to
ride it but any wizards out there give me the dope on curved vs
straight stays in a Titanium frame. Or any other for that matter.


I looked at Bertrand's link and began to wonder why they are so much
more expensive than the Ti cyclocrossers from BikesDirect. Those are
between about $1500 and $2000 depending on how they are equipped.

One reason might be that Titanium, isn't just one material. There are
a myriad of different alloys and grades. In addition some alloys and
grades are difficult to manufacture which might preclude the use as
thin wall tubes.. As an example, one supplier lists 11 different
grades of Ti tubes that are commonly used for aerospace and sports.

One might procure the cheapest alloy or the most expensive and label
each of them, honestly, as Titanium.


Certainly true but my MTB buddy has a Titanium HT from BikesDirect that
he beat the snot out of. That thing is indestructible. So their Titanium
seems to be among the good stuff. Which doesn't surprise me because
cheating there would very quickly destroy a reputation and then the
business.

Unless it is some sort of mythical Titanium a steel bike would have
been just as strong, and likely stronger.
4130 steel 560 0 675 MPa Titanium 344 MPa...


Sure. Now you know one reason why I cling to my 35-year old road bike
frame (Gazelle Trim Trophy). Good old Reynolds 531:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gazelle-Trim...-/182492626087

While spokes and all kinds of other stuff doesn't quite hold up that
frame never gave me a lick of a problem. Except for a shimmy around
32mph but one can live with that.

However, steel is way heavier. The Ti-MTB I was talking about is a real
featherweight. When lifting it out of the bed of a truck it almost pops
out of your hand.


I had a look at your Bikes Direct site and nowhere could I find a
reference to the specific Titanium alloy that their bikes are made
from. I would comment that after striping off the somewhat hysterical
sales pitch the bikes look surprisingly like those offered on Alibaba
at a noticeably cheaper price.


His Ti hardtail definitely is high class stuff. I have ridden it myself.
It almost feels like it ain't there yet it is very tough. I have also
see my buddy crash it in front of me where I thought "Now this is going
to bend it". It didn't.

What I think is that most of those frames end up coming from the same
huge factory somewhere in Taiwan or China and are largely assembled by
robots. Then some of them go to upscale companies where a huge profit
margin is tacked on, some to mass producers and some to places like
BikesDirect.

He's also got two fat bikes from them though those are aluminum frame.
We have ridden them together and they are also very sturdy. When
comparing the welds they looks identical on both bikes. I don't think
that is possible if done by hand.

But your cast iron (and very cheap) Thai made tires are far heavier
than other tires and you brag about them. Now you are telling us that
"weight is important"?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 4/1/2017 8:53 PM, wrote:
Took the bike out today first ride 47 miles 2 hours 45 minutes never unclipped felt rock solid. No noise in the frame, quietest bike I ever ride. In the only real small down hill I got up to 34 mph and would fell confident it descends well. Nothing in these parts that allow going over 45 in a descent.

The only real one I do at the ski resort in Cadillac Michigan I get chicken at about 42 mph and start feather brakes. Maybe on this Habby I could let it go all out.

Great bike for sure weights about 18.4 with pedals in 58.How do those pros have the guts to tuck and ride above 50?


No guts, no glory:
http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/latest.../#.WOEKsUq99hM


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 2017-04-01 20:49, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 01 Apr 2017 07:59:34 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2017-03-31 17:45, John B. wrote:


[...]

I had a look at your Bikes Direct site and nowhere could I find a
reference to the specific Titanium alloy that their bikes are made
from. I would comment that after striping off the somewhat hysterical
sales pitch the bikes look surprisingly like those offered on Alibaba
at a noticeably cheaper price.


His Ti hardtail definitely is high class stuff. I have ridden it myself.
It almost feels like it ain't there yet it is very tough. I have also
see my buddy crash it in front of me where I thought "Now this is going
to bend it". It didn't.

What I think is that most of those frames end up coming from the same
huge factory somewhere in Taiwan or China and are largely assembled by
robots. Then some of them go to upscale companies where a huge profit
margin is tacked on, some to mass producers and some to places like
BikesDirect.

He's also got two fat bikes from them though those are aluminum frame.
We have ridden them together and they are also very sturdy. When
comparing the welds they looks identical on both bikes. I don't think
that is possible if done by hand.

But your cast iron (and very cheap) Thai made tires are far heavier
than other tires and you brag about them. Now you are telling us that
"weight is important"?


To most others, not to me. The reason why I'd likely opt for a Ti-frame
if my current road bike ever fails beyond repair is that you can hardly
get steel frames anymore except at collector's prices.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

AMuzi wrote in news
On 4/1/2017 8:53 PM, wrote:
Took the bike out today first ride 47 miles 2 hours 45 minutes never
unclipped felt rock solid. No noise in the frame, quietest bike I ever
ride. In the only real small down hill I got up to 34 mph and would
fell confident it descends well. Nothing in these parts that allow
going over 45 in a descent.

The only real one I do at the ski resort in Cadillac Michigan I get
chicken at about 42 mph and start feather brakes. Maybe on this Habby
I could let it go all out.

Great bike for sure weights about 18.4 with pedals in 58. How do those
pros have the guts to tuck and ride above 50?


No guts, no glory:
http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/latest...ampstens-epic-
stage/#.WOEKsUq99hM

That certainly was a wild ride in that kit. Take out the mountains and you
have a commute in Ottawa in winter.
--
Andrew the agnostic Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

On Sunday, April 2, 2017 at 4:30:17 PM UTC+2, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/1/2017 8:53 PM, wrote:
Took the bike out today first ride 47 miles 2 hours 45 minutes never unclipped felt rock solid. No noise in the frame, quietest bike I ever ride. In the only real small down hill I got up to 34 mph and would fell confident it descends well. Nothing in these parts that allow going over 45 in a descent.

The only real one I do at the ski resort in Cadillac Michigan I get chicken at about 42 mph and start feather brakes. Maybe on this Habby I could let it go all out.

Great bike for sure weights about 18.4 with pedals in 58.How do those pros have the guts to tuck and ride above 50?


No guts, no glory:
http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/latest.../#.WOEKsUq99hM


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Hampsten? He didn't win that stage. I can remember that stage as we it were yesterday. I was on the Gavia last year and in the rifugio at the top they still honor Johan van de Velde.

Lou

On 4/2/2017 1:05 PM, wrote:
On Sunday, April 2, 2017 at 4:30:17 PM UTC+2, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/1/2017 8:53 PM, wrote:
Took the bike out today first ride 47 miles 2 hours 45 minutes never unclipped felt rock solid. No noise in the frame, quietest bike I ever ride. In the only real small down hill I got up to 34 mph and would fell confident it descends well. Nothing in these parts that allow going over 45 in a descent.

The only real one I do at the ski resort in Cadillac Michigan I get chicken at about 42 mph and start feather brakes. Maybe on this Habby I could let it go all out.

Great bike for sure weights about 18.4 with pedals in 58.How do those pros have the guts to tuck and ride above 50?


No guts, no glory:
http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/latest.../#.WOEKsUq99hM


Hampsten? He didn't win that stage. I can remember that stage as we it were yesterday. I was on the Gavia last year and in the rifugio at the top they still honor Johan van de Velde.

Correct. But that brutal descent in the 14th was where he
made up time, came into his own and went on to actually win
the Giro:
http://www.bikeraceinfo.com/giro/giro1988.html

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 4/2/2017 10:54 AM, Joerg wrote:
The reason why I'd likely opt for a Ti-frame
if my current road bike ever fails beyond repair is that you can hardly
get steel frames anymore except at collector's prices.

There are thousands of them sold every day. Most are not brand new, but
that makes very little difference. In America, almost all used bikes
are very low mileage.

New ones are available too. Just last year, a good friend of mine
bought a new one that Andrew recommended. It cost roughly $1000. She
loves it.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sunday, April 2, 2017 at 11:20:14 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/2/2017 10:54 AM, Joerg wrote:
The reason why I'd likely opt for a Ti-frame
if my current road bike ever fails beyond repair is that you can hardly
get steel frames anymore except at collector's prices.

There are thousands of them sold every day. Most are not brand new, but
that makes very little difference. In America, almost all used bikes
are very low mileage.

New ones are available too. Just last year, a good friend of mine
bought a new one that Andrew recommended. It cost roughly $1000. She
loves it.

The response will be "those are all collector's prices. A bike should cost no more than $99. I bought a new Schwinn Varsity in 1972 for $99, and it's still running today [yada, yada, yada . . . ]" To the extent reality matters, there are plenty of new steel frames on the market. Steel is seeing an LP-like resurgence in some sectors. One sector being a few miles from my office, over at Universal. Here's a simple $399 road frame: https://www.universalcycles.com/shop...1&category=119

-- Jay Beattie