Can 20mph limits save lives?

The research was carried out by a driver, motorcyclist and cyclist, i.e
someone who can see the big picture.

QUOTE:

The research has been carried out by Professor John Wann, a 55-year-old
driver, cyclist and motorcyclist at the Department of Psychology, Royal
Holloway, University of London and the findings discovered that primary-age
schoolchildren cannot accurately see, or judge, the speed of vehicles
travelling above 25mph. In fact, six- to eleven-year-olds might sometimes
not be able to tell that a vehicle is approaching owing to a trick of the
mind that also affects adults, although it is far more pronounced in
children. Not all motorists will like it, but 20mph limits may well be on
the way.


http://www.carcraft.co.uk/info/20mph-limits-save-lives

--
Simon Mason
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

On Jul 26, 10:26*am, "Simon Mason"
wrote:
The research was carried out by a driver, motorcyclist and cyclist, i.e
someone who can see the big picture.

QUOTE:

The research has been carried out by Professor John Wann, a 55-year-old
driver, cyclist and motorcyclist at the Department of Psychology, Royal
Holloway, University of London and the findings discovered that primary-age
schoolchildren cannot accurately see, or judge, the speed of vehicles
travelling above 25mph. In fact, six- to eleven-year-olds might sometimes
not be able to tell that a vehicle is approaching owing to a trick of the
mind that also affects adults, although it is far more pronounced in
children. Not all motorists will like it, but 20mph limits may well be on
the way.

http://www.carcraft.co.uk/info/20mph-limits-save-lives

--
Simon Masonhttp://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

The motorists' reply to that in the past has been that, if the
children are not capable, they should not be allowed out
unaccompanied.

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"It's a lovely ****ing war."

"Squashme" wrote in message
...
On Jul 26, 10:26 am, "Simon Mason"
wrote:
The research was carried out by a driver, motorcyclist and cyclist, i.e
someone who can see the big picture.

QUOTE:

The research has been carried out by Professor John Wann, a 55-year-old
driver, cyclist and motorcyclist at the Department of Psychology, Royal
Holloway, University of London and the findings discovered that
primary-age
schoolchildren cannot accurately see, or judge, the speed of vehicles
travelling above 25mph. In fact, six- to eleven-year-olds might sometimes
not be able to tell that a vehicle is approaching owing to a trick of the
mind that also affects adults, although it is far more pronounced in
children. Not all motorists will like it, but 20mph limits may well be on
the way.

http://www.carcraft.co.uk/info/20mph-limits-save-lives



The motorists' reply to that in the past has been that, if the
children are not capable, they should not be allowed out
unaccompanied.

Ah but this research has been carried out by a person who does not view life
from a cage peering into the world through toughened glass.

--
Simon Mason
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 10:26:51 +0100, "Simon Mason"
wrote:

The research was carried out by a driver, motorcyclist and cyclist, i.e
someone who can see the big picture.

QUOTE:

The research has been carried out by Professor John Wann, a 55-year-old
driver, cyclist and motorcyclist at the Department of Psychology, Royal
Holloway, University of London and the findings discovered that primary-age
schoolchildren cannot accurately see, or judge, the speed of vehicles
travelling above 25mph. In fact, six- to eleven-year-olds might sometimes
not be able to tell that a vehicle is approaching owing to a trick of the
mind that also affects adults, although it is far more pronounced in
children. Not all motorists will like it, but 20mph limits may well be on
the way.


http://www.carcraft.co.uk/info/20mph-limits-save-lives


What a wonderful Simple own goal.

"There are forceful arguments put forward from safety campaigners for a 20mph
limit to be imposed near schools and research has shown that young people do
have difficulty judging car speeds."


..... and then there are the selfish ****ers who go faster than the posted
limit.

You really ought to give up - you are the laughing stock of this newsgroup.

On second thoughts - please don't - you are excellent value.
--
Simple Simon Mason - who cycles at 25mph in 20mph limits just because the limits do not apply to cyclists.
This includes exceeding the speed limit past three schools. A total disregard for the well-being of vulnerable road users.
The actions of a true psycholist.

On 26/07/2011 10:26, Simon Mason wrote:
The research was carried out by a driver, motorcyclist and cyclist, i.e
someone who can see the big picture.

Not necessarily. Chapman is a driver.

On 26/07/2011 10:37, Squashme wrote:
On Jul 26, 10:26 am, "Simon
wrote:
The research was carried out by a driver, motorcyclist and cyclist, i.e
someone who can see the big picture.

QUOTE:

The research has been carried out by Professor John Wann, a 55-year-old
driver, cyclist and motorcyclist at the Department of Psychology, Royal
Holloway, University of London and the findings discovered that primary-age
schoolchildren cannot accurately see, or judge, the speed of vehicles
travelling above 25mph. In fact, six- to eleven-year-olds might sometimes
not be able to tell that a vehicle is approaching owing to a trick of the
mind that also affects adults, although it is far more pronounced in
children. Not all motorists will like it, but 20mph limits may well be on
the way.

http://www.carcraft.co.uk/info/20mph-limits-save-lives

--
Simon Masonhttp://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

The motorists' reply to that in the past has been that, if the
children are not capable, they should not be allowed out
unaccompanied.

Mine never were when they were of primary school age.

I don't think I did a bad job of child-rearing.

On 26/07/2011 10:26, Simon Mason wrote:

The research was carried out by a driver, motorcyclist and cyclist, i.e
someone who can see the big picture.
QUOTE:
The research has been carried out by Professor John Wann, a 55-year-old
driver, cyclist and motorcyclist at the Department of Psychology, Royal
Holloway, University of London and the findings discovered that primary-age
schoolchildren cannot *accurately see*, or judge, the speed of vehicles
travelling above 25mph. In fact, six- to eleven-year-olds might sometimes not
be able to tell that a vehicle is approaching owing to a trick of the mind
that also affects adults, although it is far more pronounced in children. Not
all motorists will like it, but 20mph limits may well be on the way.

http://www.carcraft.co.uk/info/20mph-limits-save-lives

Any guesses as to what "accurately see" can mean - anyone?

Either you see something or you don't. Other than for those who need
correction of a vision defect, it's hard to see where "accuracy" comes into it.

On Jul 26, 5:56*pm, Phil W Lee wrote:
"Simon Mason" considered Tue, 26 Jul
2011 12:29:46 +0100 the perfect time to write:





On Jul 26, 10:37 am, Squashme wrote:

QUOTE:

The research has been carried out by Professor John Wann, a 55-year-old
driver, cyclist and motorcyclist at the Department of Psychology, Royal
Holloway, University of London and the findings discovered that
primary-age
schoolchildren cannot accurately see, or judge, the speed of vehicles
travelling above 25mph. In fact, six- to eleven-year-olds might
sometimes
not be able to tell that a vehicle is approaching owing to a trick of
the
mind that also affects adults, although it is far more pronounced in
children. Not all motorists will like it, but 20mph limits may well be
on
the way.

http://www.carcraft.co.uk/info/20mph-limits-save-lives

The motorists' reply to that in the past has been that, if the
children are not capable, they should not be allowed out
unaccompanied.

It is interesting to learn that speed limits below 30mph cannot be enforced
according to this article.
I didn't know that.

"CALLS for a blanket 20mph speed limit in East Yorkshire towns have prompted
a warning from a senior engineer.

East Riding Council's head of infrastructure and facilities Dave Waudby says
it would mean altering road layouts or changing the law.

Mr Waudby said there are good arguments in favour of consistent 20mph
limits, as proposed by Driffield town councillors.

But such limits would have to be "self enforcing" through changes to the
road layouts. Police do not currently have the power to enforce speed limits
below 30mph.

Either the quote is out of date or he is.



Mr Waudby said: "It would mean introducing things like speed humps and pinch
points so people cannot drive more than 20mph."

http://www.thisishullandeastriding.c...speed-limit-pl...

Several years ago, that was true.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When did it change?
Do you know?
Its just that I have never seen any 20mph limit policed.

--
Simon Mason

On Jul 26, 6:27*pm, JNugent wrote:
On 26/07/2011 10:37, Squashme wrote:









On Jul 26, 10:26 am, "Simon
wrote:
The research was carried out by a driver, motorcyclist and cyclist, i.e
someone who can see the big picture.

QUOTE:

The research has been carried out by Professor John Wann, a 55-year-old
driver, cyclist and motorcyclist at the Department of Psychology, Royal
Holloway, University of London and the findings discovered that primary-age
schoolchildren cannot accurately see, or judge, the speed of vehicles
travelling above 25mph. In fact, six- to eleven-year-olds might sometimes
not be able to tell that a vehicle is approaching owing to a trick of the
mind that also affects adults, although it is far more pronounced in
children. Not all motorists will like it, but 20mph limits may well be on
the way.

http://www.carcraft.co.uk/info/20mph-limits-save-lives

--
Simon Masonhttp://www.simonmason.karoo.net/

The motorists' reply to that in the past has been that, if the
children are not capable, they should not be allowed out
unaccompanied.

Mine never were when they were of primary school age.

Not even to find newts and sticklebacks?


I don't think I did a bad job of child-rearing.

What do they think?

On 26/07/2011 10:26, Simon Mason wrote:
The research was carried out by a driver, motorcyclist and cyclist, i.e
someone who can see the big picture.

And you believe this, but are in complete denial about the research
carried out by an internationally aclaimed university professor?

Denial is a defense mechanism postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a
person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and
rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be
overwhelming evidence.

--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University