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On 18/08/2015 10:49, Mrcheerful wrote:
http://www.gloucestershireecho.co.uk...ail/story.html It would be interesting if we had statistics for accidents containing data on the make and model of car. It is my perception that drivers of certain types of car are far more dangerous than others. I would be interested to see if this is prejudice or a valid heuristic. |
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On Tuesday, 18 August 2015 21:15:01 UTC+1, Nick wrote:
It would be interesting if we had statistics for accidents containing data on the make and model of car. It is my perception that drivers of certain types of car are far more dangerous than others. I would be interested to see if this is prejudice or a valid heuristic. Here is one set of data for IOM racing makes of vehicles. The only trend I can see is from Europe to Japanese marques. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rse_fatalities |
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On 18/08/2015 21:31, Alycidon wrote:
On Tuesday, 18 August 2015 21:15:01 UTC+1, Nick wrote: It would be interesting if we had statistics for accidents containing data on the make and model of car. It is my perception that drivers of certain types of car are far more dangerous than others. I would be interested to see if this is prejudice or a valid heuristic. Here is one set of data for IOM racing makes of vehicles. The only trend I can see is from Europe to Japanese marques. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rse_fatalities I meant to say normal road vehicles. |
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On 18/08/2015 21:14, Nick wrote:
On 18/08/2015 10:49, Mrcheerful wrote: http://www.gloucestershireecho.co.uk...ail/story.html It would be interesting if we had statistics for accidents containing data on the make and model of car. It is my perception that drivers of certain types of car are far more dangerous than others. I would be interested to see if this is prejudice or a valid heuristic. Earlier this year, I acquired the FOC medium-term loan of a nearly-new prestigious marque German car and have been using it as regular transport for local and longer-distance trips for most of that time. What I can tell you is that other road-users react very differently to the mere sight of the vehicle as compared with (say) my own car (which has acquired only about 200 miles on the clock this year). The same distinction can be observed as between the German car and the twenty or thirty hire-cars I drive every year (hired by my employer for work-related purposes). Some teenage boys tend to be just smitten by the car and cast long admiring glances in its direction. I don't blame them for that. It is rather splendid, though I'm not a fan of the whole concept of the car as status symbol and would never use my own money to buy a vehicle which was dearer than the average. I could afford it, but it's way outside my priorities in life. However, and more importantly, some adult road-users, particularly male drivers of cars more like my own (cheaper) car (and therefore ostensibly, people who are otherwise more like me, as near as one can gauge), seem more competitive and aggressive than I ever experience when driving a less expensive model. A relatively common occurrence is a driver on the left officiously accelerating in order to prevent me from moving to the nearside lane after an overtaking maneouvre. Others cast glances sideways at traffic lights and accelerate away on green and amber. Yet others tailgate me at 29 mph in built-up areas and seem both impatient and shocked at finding themselves within the limit. I put much of this this latter phenomenon down to the effect of idiots on the internet making stupid statements such as "it is my perception that drivers of certain types of car are far more dangerous than others", apparently without a thought in their heads to the effect that lots of drivers drive different cars (of different makes, models, age and value) all the time. |
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On 19/08/2015 11:42, JNugent wrote:
On 18/08/2015 21:14, Nick wrote: On 18/08/2015 10:49, Mrcheerful wrote: http://www.gloucestershireecho.co.uk...ail/story.html It would be interesting if we had statistics for accidents containing data on the make and model of car. It is my perception that drivers of certain types of car are far more dangerous than others. I would be interested to see if this is prejudice or a valid heuristic. Earlier this year, I acquired the FOC medium-term loan of a nearly-new prestigious marque German car and have been using it as regular transport for local and longer-distance trips for most of that time. What I can tell you is that other road-users react very differently to the mere sight of the vehicle as compared with (say) my own car (which has acquired only about 200 miles on the clock this year). The same distinction can be observed as between the German car and the twenty or thirty hire-cars I drive every year (hired by my employer for work-related purposes). Yes I agree, it does seem to be German cars. When I was younger I thought it was "flash" cars. But I find drivers of proper sports cars tend to be above average in safety and consideration to other road users. So I guess it isn't people who love cars per se but people who want to be considered of high status. Some teenage boys tend to be just smitten by the car and cast long admiring glances in its direction. I don't blame them for that. It is rather splendid, though I'm not a fan of the whole concept of the car as status symbol and would never use my own money to buy a vehicle which was dearer than the average. I could afford it, but it's way outside my priorities in life. However, and more importantly, some adult road-users, particularly male drivers of cars more like my own (cheaper) car (and therefore ostensibly, people who are otherwise more like me, as near as one can gauge), seem more competitive and aggressive than I ever experience when driving a less expensive model. I see whilst you don't approve of cars as status symbols you use them as indicators of wealth ;o) A relatively common occurrence is a driver on the left officiously accelerating in order to prevent me from moving to the nearside lane after an overtaking maneouvre. Others cast glances sideways at traffic lights and accelerate away on green and amber. Yet others tailgate me at 29 mph in built-up areas and seem both impatient and shocked at finding themselves within the limit. I don't approve of this sort of dangerous behaviour. But certainly if someone wants to drive a "status" car it does tend to indicate they want you to take notice of them. So certainly I would be much less likely to cede my right of way at a junction to such a car. Why not they are after all symbols of selfishness. I put much of this this latter phenomenon down to the effect of idiots on the internet making stupid statements such as "it is my perception that drivers of certain types of car are far more dangerous than others", apparently without a thought in their heads to the effect that lots of drivers drive different cars (of different makes, models, age and value) all the time. Don't forget my other theory that people who drive for work are also amongst the most inconsiderate and dangerous drivers. |
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On 19/08/2015 18:44, Nick wrote:
On 19/08/2015 11:42, JNugent wrote: On 18/08/2015 21:14, Nick wrote: On 18/08/2015 10:49, Mrcheerful wrote: http://www.gloucestershireecho.co.uk...ail/story.html It would be interesting if we had statistics for accidents containing data on the make and model of car. It is my perception that drivers of certain types of car are far more dangerous than others. I would be interested to see if this is prejudice or a valid heuristic. Earlier this year, I acquired the FOC medium-term loan of a nearly-new prestigious marque German car and have been using it as regular transport for local and longer-distance trips for most of that time. What I can tell you is that other road-users react very differently to the mere sight of the vehicle as compared with (say) my own car (which has acquired only about 200 miles on the clock this year). The same distinction can be observed as between the German car and the twenty or thirty hire-cars I drive every year (hired by my employer for work-related purposes). Yes I agree, it does seem to be German cars. When I was younger I thought it was "flash" cars. But I find drivers of proper sports cars tend to be above average in safety and consideration to other road users. You must be ever so old if you have ever encountered significant numbers of "proper sports cars", so your memory of "flash cars" will undoubtedly be of British made cars (Jaguars, Daimlers, Astons, maybe the odd Armstrong Siddeley). So I guess it isn't people who love cars per se but people who want to be considered of high status. Maybe. But does *anyone* really "love" cars? They're just there to do a job AFAIAC. Yes, you want them to be reliable and functional, as well as not being an eyesore when parked on the drive, but "love" them? That's something you reserve for things whose creation and function are true works of art. Some teenage boys tend to be just smitten by the car and cast long admiring glances in its direction. I don't blame them for that. It is rather splendid, though I'm not a fan of the whole concept of the car as status symbol and would never use my own money to buy a vehicle which was dearer than the average. I could afford it, but it's way outside my priorities in life. However, and more importantly, some adult road-users, particularly male drivers of cars more like my own (cheaper) car (and therefore ostensibly, people who are otherwise more like me, as near as one can gauge), seem more competitive and aggressive than I ever experience when driving a less expensive model. I see whilst you don't approve of cars as status symbols you use them as indicators of wealth ;o) They're at least as useful as most other casual indicators. Not many people are going to be driving round in a Marina if they can afford something newer and altogether more reliable. Of course, and as you will appreciate, driving a car doesn't mean that you own it. A relatively common occurrence is a driver on the left officiously accelerating in order to prevent me from moving to the nearside lane after an overtaking maneouvre. Others cast glances sideways at traffic lights and accelerate away on green and amber. Yet others tailgate me at 29 mph in built-up areas and seem both impatient and shocked at finding themselves within the limit. I don't approve of this sort of dangerous behaviour. But certainly if someone wants to drive a "status" car it does tend to indicate they want you to take notice of them. So certainly I would be much less likely to cede my right of way at a junction to such a car. There is no "right of way" in the nearside lane. You need a copy of the Highway Code. Why not they are after all symbols of selfishness. Whereas failure to drive safely (eg, by not complying with the requirements of the Highway Code and Road Traffic Acts and somehow driving "politically") is something other than selfishness? I put much of this this latter phenomenon down to the effect of idiots on the internet making stupid statements such as "it is my perception that drivers of certain types of car are far more dangerous than others", apparently without a thought in their heads to the effect that lots of drivers drive different cars (of different makes, models, age and value) all the time. Don't forget my other theory that people who drive for work are also amongst the most inconsiderate and dangerous drivers. It sounds as convincing as the "theories" you've already expounded. |
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On 20/08/2015 00:22, JNugent wrote:
On 19/08/2015 18:44, Nick wrote: On 19/08/2015 11:42, JNugent wrote: On 18/08/2015 21:14, Nick wrote: On 18/08/2015 10:49, Mrcheerful wrote: http://www.gloucestershireecho.co.uk...ail/story.html It would be interesting if we had statistics for accidents containing data on the make and model of car. It is my perception that drivers of certain types of car are far more dangerous than others. I would be interested to see if this is prejudice or a valid heuristic. Earlier this year, I acquired the FOC medium-term loan of a nearly-new prestigious marque German car and have been using it as regular transport for local and longer-distance trips for most of that time. What I can tell you is that other road-users react very differently to the mere sight of the vehicle as compared with (say) my own car (which has acquired only about 200 miles on the clock this year). The same distinction can be observed as between the German car and the twenty or thirty hire-cars I drive every year (hired by my employer for work-related purposes). Yes I agree, it does seem to be German cars. When I was younger I thought it was "flash" cars. But I find drivers of proper sports cars tend to be above average in safety and consideration to other road users. You must be ever so old if you have ever encountered significant numbers of "proper sports cars", so your memory of "flash cars" will undoubtedly be of British made cars (Jaguars, Daimlers, Astons, maybe the odd Armstrong Siddeley). So I guess it isn't people who love cars per se but people who want to be considered of high status. Maybe. But does *anyone* really "love" cars? They're just there to do a job AFAIAC. Yes, you want them to be reliable and functional, as well as not being an eyesore when parked on the drive, but "love" them? That's something you reserve for things whose creation and function are true works of art. Some teenage boys tend to be just smitten by the car and cast long admiring glances in its direction. I don't blame them for that. It is rather splendid, though I'm not a fan of the whole concept of the car as status symbol and would never use my own money to buy a vehicle which was dearer than the average. I could afford it, but it's way outside my priorities in life. However, and more importantly, some adult road-users, particularly male drivers of cars more like my own (cheaper) car (and therefore ostensibly, people who are otherwise more like me, as near as one can gauge), seem more competitive and aggressive than I ever experience when driving a less expensive model. I see whilst you don't approve of cars as status symbols you use them as indicators of wealth ;o) They're at least as useful as most other casual indicators. Not many people are going to be driving round in a Marina if they can afford something newer and altogether more reliable. Of course, and as you will appreciate, driving a car doesn't mean that you own it. Yeah right, like not many people are going to wear old jeans when they could afford some brand new designer ones. Unlike you it appears many people don't see a car as anything more than a utility device like a vacuum cleaner. Maybe it is different outside London? A relatively common occurrence is a driver on the left officiously accelerating in order to prevent me from moving to the nearside lane after an overtaking maneouvre. Others cast glances sideways at traffic lights and accelerate away on green and amber. Yet others tailgate me at 29 mph in built-up areas and seem both impatient and shocked at finding themselves within the limit. I don't approve of this sort of dangerous behaviour. But certainly if someone wants to drive a "status" car it does tend to indicate they want you to take notice of them. So certainly I would be much less likely to cede my right of way at a junction to such a car. There is no "right of way" in the nearside lane. A bit like your double parking theory in yesterday's thread? I think I'll stick to my theory that cars pulling out of side roads give way to cars in the main carriage way. You need a copy of the Highway Code. Why not they are after all symbols of selfishness. Whereas failure to drive safely (eg, by not complying with the requirements of the Highway Code and Road Traffic Acts and somehow driving "politically") is something other than selfishness? I put much of this this latter phenomenon down to the effect of idiots on the internet making stupid statements such as "it is my perception that drivers of certain types of car are far more dangerous than others", apparently without a thought in their heads to the effect that lots of drivers drive different cars (of different makes, models, age and value) all the time. Don't forget my other theory that people who drive for work are also amongst the most inconsiderate and dangerous drivers. It sounds as convincing as the "theories" you've already expounded. The point is that we agree some people who buy certain types of car do so because they want to project an image of self importance. This hypothesis combined with my "research" has me convinced. Obviously not possessing your ability to just know things for sure I was interested in checking my theories with statistical data. |
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On 20/08/2015 10:17, Nick wrote:
On 20/08/2015 00:22, JNugent wrote: On 19/08/2015 18:44, Nick wrote: On 19/08/2015 11:42, JNugent wrote: On 18/08/2015 21:14, Nick wrote: On 18/08/2015 10:49, Mrcheerful wrote: http://www.gloucestershireecho.co.uk...ail/story.html It would be interesting if we had statistics for accidents containing data on the make and model of car. It is my perception that drivers of certain types of car are far more dangerous than others. I would be interested to see if this is prejudice or a valid heuristic. Earlier this year, I acquired the FOC medium-term loan of a nearly-new prestigious marque German car and have been using it as regular transport for local and longer-distance trips for most of that time. What I can tell you is that other road-users react very differently to the mere sight of the vehicle as compared with (say) my own car (which has acquired only about 200 miles on the clock this year). The same distinction can be observed as between the German car and the twenty or thirty hire-cars I drive every year (hired by my employer for work-related purposes). Yes I agree, it does seem to be German cars. When I was younger I thought it was "flash" cars. But I find drivers of proper sports cars tend to be above average in safety and consideration to other road users. You must be ever so old if you have ever encountered significant numbers of "proper sports cars", so your memory of "flash cars" will undoubtedly be of British made cars (Jaguars, Daimlers, Astons, maybe the odd Armstrong Siddeley). So I guess it isn't people who love cars per se but people who want to be considered of high status. Maybe. But does *anyone* really "love" cars? They're just there to do a job AFAIAC. Yes, you want them to be reliable and functional, as well as not being an eyesore when parked on the drive, but "love" them? That's something you reserve for things whose creation and function are true works of art. Some teenage boys tend to be just smitten by the car and cast long admiring glances in its direction. I don't blame them for that. It is rather splendid, though I'm not a fan of the whole concept of the car as status symbol and would never use my own money to buy a vehicle which was dearer than the average. I could afford it, but it's way outside my priorities in life. However, and more importantly, some adult road-users, particularly male drivers of cars more like my own (cheaper) car (and therefore ostensibly, people who are otherwise more like me, as near as one can gauge), seem more competitive and aggressive than I ever experience when driving a less expensive model. I see whilst you don't approve of cars as status symbols you use them as indicators of wealth ;o) They're at least as useful as most other casual indicators. Not many people are going to be driving round in a Marina if they can afford something newer and altogether more reliable. Of course, and as you will appreciate, driving a car doesn't mean that you own it. Yeah right, like not many people are going to wear old jeans when they could afford some brand new designer ones. Unlike you it appears many people don't see a car as anything more than a utility device like a vacuum cleaner. Maybe it is different outside London? A relatively common occurrence is a driver on the left officiously accelerating in order to prevent me from moving to the nearside lane after an overtaking maneouvre. Others cast glances sideways at traffic lights and accelerate away on green and amber. Yet others tailgate me at 29 mph in built-up areas and seem both impatient and shocked at finding themselves within the limit. I don't approve of this sort of dangerous behaviour. But certainly if someone wants to drive a "status" car it does tend to indicate they want you to take notice of them. So certainly I would be much less likely to cede my right of way at a junction to such a car. There is no "right of way" in the nearside lane. A bit like your double parking theory in yesterday's thread? I think I'll stick to my theory that cars pulling out of side roads give way to cars in the main carriage way. You need a copy of the Highway Code. Why not they are after all symbols of selfishness. Whereas failure to drive safely (eg, by not complying with the requirements of the Highway Code and Road Traffic Acts and somehow driving "politically") is something other than selfishness? I put much of this this latter phenomenon down to the effect of idiots on the internet making stupid statements such as "it is my perception that drivers of certain types of car are far more dangerous than others", apparently without a thought in their heads to the effect that lots of drivers drive different cars (of different makes, models, age and value) all the time. Don't forget my other theory that people who drive for work are also amongst the most inconsiderate and dangerous drivers. It sounds as convincing as the "theories" you've already expounded. The point is that we agree some people who buy certain types of car do so because they want to project an image of self importance. This hypothesis combined with my "research" has me convinced. Obviously not possessing your ability to just know things for sure I was interested in checking my theories with statistical data. Well Volvo owners have been sterotyped as really slow drivers for years. 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On 20/08/2015 10:17, Nick wrote:
On 20/08/2015 00:22, JNugent wrote: On 19/08/2015 18:44, Nick wrote: On 19/08/2015 11:42, JNugent wrote: On 18/08/2015 21:14, Nick wrote: On 18/08/2015 10:49, Mrcheerful wrote: http://www.gloucestershireecho.co.uk...ail/story.html It would be interesting if we had statistics for accidents containing data on the make and model of car. It is my perception that drivers of certain types of car are far more dangerous than others. I would be interested to see if this is prejudice or a valid heuristic. Earlier this year, I acquired the FOC medium-term loan of a nearly-new prestigious marque German car and have been using it as regular transport for local and longer-distance trips for most of that time. What I can tell you is that other road-users react very differently to the mere sight of the vehicle as compared with (say) my own car (which has acquired only about 200 miles on the clock this year). The same distinction can be observed as between the German car and the twenty or thirty hire-cars I drive every year (hired by my employer for work-related purposes). Yes I agree, it does seem to be German cars. When I was younger I thought it was "flash" cars. But I find drivers of proper sports cars tend to be above average in safety and consideration to other road users. You must be ever so old if you have ever encountered significant numbers of "proper sports cars", so your memory of "flash cars" will undoubtedly be of British made cars (Jaguars, Daimlers, Astons, maybe the odd Armstrong Siddeley). So I guess it isn't people who love cars per se but people who want to be considered of high status. Maybe. But does *anyone* really "love" cars? They're just there to do a job AFAIAC. Yes, you want them to be reliable and functional, as well as not being an eyesore when parked on the drive, but "love" them? That's something you reserve for things whose creation and function are true works of art. Some teenage boys tend to be just smitten by the car and cast long admiring glances in its direction. I don't blame them for that. It is rather splendid, though I'm not a fan of the whole concept of the car as status symbol and would never use my own money to buy a vehicle whichj was dearer than the average. I could afford it, but it's way outside my priorities in life. However, and more importantly, some adult road-users, particularly male drivers of cars more like my own (cheaper) car (and therefore ostensibly, people who are otherwise more like me, as near as one can gauge), seem more competitive and aggressive than I ever experience when driving a less expensive model. I see whilst you don't approve of cars as status symbols you use them as indicators of wealth ;o) They're at least as useful as most other casual indicators. Not many people are going to be driving round in a Marina if they can afford something newer and altogether more reliable. Of course, and as you will appreciate, driving a car doesn't mean that you own it. Yeah right, like not many people are going to wear old jeans when they could afford some brand new designer ones. Jeans and cars. What's the connection? Other than the one in your imagination, I mean. Unlike you it appears many people don't see a car as anything more than a utility device like a vacuum cleaner. I explained to you that *I* don't see a car as a status symbol (and would certainly never buy an expensive car for that purpose). Which bit of that did you fail to understand? Perhaps you failed to understand all of it. That's about the only thing that would explain your weird observation above. Maybe it is different outside London? Maybe what is? A relatively common occurrence is a driver on the left officiously accelerating in order to prevent me from moving to the nearside lane after an overtaking maneouvre. Others cast glances sideways at traffic lights and accelerate away on green and amber. Yet others tailgate me at 29 mph in built-up areas and seem both impatient and shocked at finding themselves within the limit. I don't approve of this sort of dangerous behaviour. But certainly if someone wants to drive a "status" car it does tend to indicate they want you to take notice of them. So certainly I would be much less likely to cede my right of way at a junction to such a car. There is no "right of way" in the nearside lane. A bit like your double parking theory in yesterday's thread? I think I'll stick to my theory that cars pulling out of side roads give way to cars in the main carriage way. Fair enough, and I fully agree, but what does it have to do with overtaking on a dual carriageway? You need a copy of the Highway Code. Why not they are after all symbols of selfishness. Whereas failure to drive safely (eg, by not complying with the requirements of the Highway Code and Road Traffic Acts and somehow driving "politically") is something other than selfishness? I put much of this this latter phenomenon down to the effect of idiots on the internet making stupid statements such as "it is my perception that drivers of certain types of car are far more dangerous than others", apparently without a thought in their heads to the effect that lots of drivers drive different cars (of different makes, models, age and value) all the time. Don't forget my other theory that people who drive for work are also amongst the most inconsiderate and dangerous drivers. It sounds as convincing as the "theories" you've already expounded. The point is that we agree some people who buy certain types of car do so because they want to project an image of self importance. This hypothesis combined with my "research" has me convinced. Obviously not possessing your ability to just know things for sure I was interested in checking my theories with statistical data. I neither know (for certain) nor care why people buy this or that car. It's their business, not mine. You, on the other hand, clearly don't know either, but for your own reasons, you care *passionately* about other peoples' business. It's... odd. |
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