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Rear brake hanger (was Cantilever Vs V-brakes.)
On 2016-09-28, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/27/2016 9:47 PM, Gregory Sutter wrote: For example, Jan Heine just had a fancy rear one made: https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/co...-cable-hanger/ It was not a technical question. OP just doesn't think cantilevers are aesthetically pleasing so no amount of technical reference will help. I used the question as an excuse to post Jan's new part to see if anyone had comments about it. It's pretty, but I'm a little dubious that cutting back the brake cable housing would offer superior function to a ferrule. I've become a JH believer in many ways, though, so perhaps. Also WTH, the newsfroup could use more tech content anyway. Whee. -- Gregory S. Sutter Mostly Harmless http://zer0.org/~gsutter/ |
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Cantilever Vs V-brakes.
On 28/09/16 21:38, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:
"Doug Landau" wrote in message ... On Saturday, September 24, 2016 at 11:40:35 AM UTC-7, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote: "Gregory Sutter" wrote in message ... On 2016-09-23, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote: On 9/23/2016 4:34 PM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote: The best candidate has cantilever brakes and the cables need replacing, so I wondered about converting to V-brakes while I was at it. Maybe its just me, but cantilevers just don't look right. Cantis are very nice, if you know how to adjust them well, if you can protect against the straddle-cable-falling-into-wheel situation, and if you avoid the ****ty fixed-length straddle cables. But if you want to convert to V-Brakes without changing brake levers, all you need is this. Problem Solvers Travel Agent Adjustable https://www.universalcycles.com/shop...ls.php?id=6361 Already watched a Youtube clip on how to do it - its so simple I wondered; what's the catch. One comparison I found online suggests that cantilevers don't wear out blocks so fast - but don't necessarily stop where you want to. R. J. Mitchell who designed the Spitfire fighter plane was famously quoted; "if it looks right - it'll probably fly" - IMO: cantilevers don't look right. Concorde looked good It was half French.................................... That was why it worked a 35 hour week. |
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Cantilever Vs V-brakes.
On Wednesday, September 28, 2016 at 3:08:15 PM UTC-4, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:
"Gregory Sutter" wrote in message ... On 2016-09-27, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 4:04:32 PM UTC-4, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote: Snipped The seat post would get in the way of a centre mounted pull cable - it just can't be done. Maybe I could fit a cable mount to the front headset, but I don't see much incentive to do so. Thousands if not millions of bicycles have been sold with centre mounted pull cables on the rear cantilerver brake. You just have a hanger or a bridge that centers the cable above the crossover/straddle wire. Ditto for the front brake. I'm sure they have - but you'd have to drill a hole through the seat post to accommodate the cable on mine. You don't have to drill a hole through a seat post in order to center a cantilever brake cable. the cable housing simply goes beside the seat post and thence to the cable hanger or cable bridge. It's no harder to disconnect a cantilever straddle cable than it is to disconnect a V-brake cable. One thing to remember if going from caliper brakes or cantilever brakes to V-brakes is that it's usually a very good idea to either buy a Problem Solvers adaptor or V-brake compatible V-brake levers. that's bedcaue the pull ratios are different and you can end up with extremely poor V-brake performance. So in short, to switch to V-brakes requires both V-brake caipers and V-brake brake levers. Cheers |
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Cantilever Vs V-brakes.
"Gregory Sutter" wrote in message ... On 2016-09-27, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 4:04:32 PM UTC-4, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote: Snipped The seat post would get in the way of a centre mounted pull cable - it just can't be done. Maybe I could fit a cable mount to the front headset, but I don't see much incentive to do so. Thousands if not millions of bicycles have been sold with centre mounted pull cables on the rear cantilerver brake. You just have a hanger or a bridge that centers the cable above the crossover/straddle wire. Would have to drill a hole through the seat post to accommodate the cable. |
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Cantilever Vs V-brakes.
On Wednesday, September 28, 2016 at 5:10:00 PM UTC-4, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:
"Gregory Sutter" wrote in message ... On 2016-09-27, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 4:04:32 PM UTC-4, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote: Snipped The seat post would get in the way of a centre mounted pull cable - it just can't be done. Maybe I could fit a cable mount to the front headset, but I don't see much incentive to do so. Thousands if not millions of bicycles have been sold with centre mounted pull cables on the rear cantilerver brake. You just have a hanger or a bridge that centers the cable above the crossover/straddle wire. Would have to drill a hole through the seat post to accommodate the cable.. Again, you don't have to drill a hole through the seatpost in order to route a cantilever brake cable. The cable housing goes to one side of the seatpost and ends at the cable bridge/stop and the inner cable continues from that to the straddle cable yoke or to the transverse cable mount bolt. Cheers |
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Cantilever Vs V-brakes.
On 9/28/2016 4:10 PM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:
"Gregory Sutter" wrote in message ... On 2016-09-27, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 4:04:32 PM UTC-4, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote: Snipped The seat post would get in the way of a centre mounted pull cable - it just can't be done. Maybe I could fit a cable mount to the front headset, but I don't see much incentive to do so. Thousands if not millions of bicycles have been sold with centre mounted pull cables on the rear cantilerver brake. You just have a hanger or a bridge that centers the cable above the crossover/straddle wire. Would have to drill a hole through the seat post to accommodate the cable. No one's saying you can't use linear brakes. In fact, go right ahead if you prefer them. But cantilevers do not _require_ a hole in the seat post: http://www.yellowjersey.org/hanger.html Some riders do find that aesthetically pleasing: http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/am19g.jpg although many do not. Meh. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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Cantilever Vs V-brakes.
On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 20:12:50 +0100, "Benderthe.evilrobot"
wrote: "AMuzi" wrote in message ... On 9/27/2016 9:47 PM, Gregory Sutter wrote: On 2016-09-27, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 4:04:32 PM UTC-4, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote: Snipped The seat post would get in the way of a centre mounted pull cable - it just can't be done. Maybe I could fit a cable mount to the front headset, but I don't see much incentive to do so. Thousands if not millions of bicycles have been sold with centre mounted pull cables on the rear cantilerver brake. You just have a hanger or a bridge that centers the cable above the crossover/straddle wire. Ditto for the front brake. For example, Jan Heine just had a fancy rear one made: https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/co...-cable-hanger/ Also: https://paulcomp.com/shop/components...-cable-hanger/ http://surlybikes.com/parts/small_parts/cable_hanger http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product...2_174820_-1___ ... It was not a technical question. OP just doesn't think cantilevers are aesthetically pleasing so no amount of technical reference will help. Its mostly about the lever arms sticking out the sides just looking for something to catch on. They're also more PITA to unhook when you want to take the wheel out. Sort of like you knees there just ahead of the rear canti levers? Strange I can't remember anyone worrying about their knees catching on something. Of course when one just doesn't like something one can find all sorts of ways to rationalize their irrational suppositions. -- cheers, John B. |
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Rear brake hanger (was Cantilever Vs V-brakes.)
On 9/28/2016 3:52 PM, Gregory Sutter wrote:
On 2016-09-28, AMuzi wrote: On 9/27/2016 9:47 PM, Gregory Sutter wrote: For example, Jan Heine just had a fancy rear one made: https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/co...-cable-hanger/ It was not a technical question. OP just doesn't think cantilevers are aesthetically pleasing so no amount of technical reference will help. I used the question as an excuse to post Jan's new part to see if anyone had comments about it. It's pretty, but I'm a little dubious that cutting back the brake cable housing would offer superior function to a ferrule. I've become a JH believer in many ways, though, so perhaps. Also WTH, the newsfroup could use more tech content anyway. Whee. Hmm. I suspect the free play or motion with a ferrule or (as with this part) without a ferrule might differ by about 0.002" - an amount too small to detect from the brake lever. On one bike with centerpull brakes, I've got a cable hanger that works similarly in that it hangs from the binder bolt; but mine includes a quick release. I find that to be handy. Looking at Andrew's site, you can buy one for less than the Compass part. I guess it doesn't have the cachet of the Compass part. But you can probably buy spray-on cachet somewhere. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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Cantilever Vs V-brakes.
On 2016-09-28, AMuzi wrote:
But cantilevers do not _require_ a hole in the seat post: http://www.yellowjersey.org/hanger.html Some riders do find that aesthetically pleasing: http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/am19g.jpg although many do not. Meh. Andy, that's a very attractive bike! I like the nice touches on seatstays and cable routing as well as the lovely not-Celeste hue. Did you build the frame? Is there a mechanism for installing or keeping the seatpost at the correct height for cable transit? -- Gregory S. Sutter Mostly Harmless http://zer0.org/~gsutter/ |
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Rear brake hanger (was Cantilever Vs V-brakes.)
On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 19:58:19 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 9/28/2016 3:52 PM, Gregory Sutter wrote: On 2016-09-28, AMuzi wrote: On 9/27/2016 9:47 PM, Gregory Sutter wrote: For example, Jan Heine just had a fancy rear one made: https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/co...-cable-hanger/ It was not a technical question. OP just doesn't think cantilevers are aesthetically pleasing so no amount of technical reference will help. I used the question as an excuse to post Jan's new part to see if anyone had comments about it. It's pretty, but I'm a little dubious that cutting back the brake cable housing would offer superior function to a ferrule. I've become a JH believer in many ways, though, so perhaps. Also WTH, the newsfroup could use more tech content anyway. Whee. Hmm. I suspect the free play or motion with a ferrule or (as with this part) without a ferrule might differ by about 0.002" - an amount too small to detect from the brake lever. On one bike with centerpull brakes, I've got a cable hanger that works similarly in that it hangs from the binder bolt; but mine includes a quick release. I find that to be handy. Looking at Andrew's site, you can buy one for less than the Compass part. I guess it doesn't have the cachet of the Compass part. But you can probably buy spray-on cachet somewhere. I make them up from a length of stainless welding rod and a commercial cable stop. I've also used flat stainless stock in place of the rod. Say 4 inches of welding rod or a piece of scrap of stainless sheet and a cable stop ($0.27 at Nova), and perhaps 1/4" of silver soldering wire. Cost? Maybe couple of dollars. Makes that Compass part look sort of high priced :-) -- cheers, John B. |
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