Why you slap my car?

On 01/04/2016 10:28, Anthony '****_Taker' Janssen wrote:
Bod wrote:
On 01/04/2016 10:16, Anthony '****_Taker' Janssen wrote:
Bod wrote:
On 01/04/2016 09:32, Bod wrote:
On 01/04/2016 09:18, Alycidon wrote:

"What's-a matter you? Hey! Gotta no respect. What-a you t'ink you do?
Why you slap my car? I'm-a not too close, U should be on-a the side.
Ah, shaddap-a you face!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUzM...ature=youtu.be

Alcydon, how come in 60 years of cycling I have never had an incident
like that, yet you seem to show many cyclists getting aggro because of
your silly rule of cycling in the middle of the lane when the road is
narrow? You don't have to be a rocket scientist to realise that doing
that will antagonise many motorists.

I notice that there is no response yet about my comments above.

Maybe he assumed you were trolling.

I know I did.

Perhaps you've never seen my posts before (which I find hard to believe).
If you had, you'd *know* that I generally support the cyclists side.

I have seen your posts, and am aware of your general position. I thus find
your point above somewhat incongruous - more like something I'd expect from
one of the group psychopaths.

The 'silly rule' of cycling in the middle of the lane when the road is
narrow is the riding position recommended (AFAIR) by British Cycling, the
Department of Transport, TFL and many others. Yes, it probably does
result in a fair degree of frustration at psychopaths who cannot abide the
prospect of having to take their right foot off of the accelerator for
fifteen seconds.

But that's just too bad.

Where I live I've only encountered 1 cyclist adopting the middle lane
tactic in the 12 years I've lived here. I am surrounded by narrow
country lanes and have often cycled on them and as I said earlier I've
never had any problems with any motor vehicle. If I hear a car behind
me, I'll either move over closer to the edge of the verge or if there's
a pothole
there I'll stop and let the car past. I always get a thankyou from the
drivers. I now cycle on off road gravel paths mainly now though.
When I'm driving my car, most cyclists do the same as I do. Everyones
happy.
--
Bod

Bod wrote:

If I hear a car behind me, I'll either move over closer to the edge of
the verge or if there's a pothole there I'll stop and let the car past.

Do you doff your cap whilst you're at it?

--
john smith |MA (Hons)|MPhil (Hons)|CAPES (mention très bien)|LLB (Hons)
'It never gets any easier. You just get faster'
(Greg LeMond (1961 - ))

On Friday, 1 April 2016 10:50:03 UTC+1, Anthony '****_Taker' Janssen wrote:
Bod wrote:

If I hear a car behind me, I'll either move over closer to the edge of
the verge or if there's a pothole there I'll stop and let the car past.

Do you doff your cap whilst you're at it?

--
john smith |MA (Hons)|MPhil (Hons)|CAPES (mention très bien)|LLB (Hons)
'It never gets any easier. You just get faster'
(Greg LeMond (1961 - ))

Same as those saddoes who thank a driver profusely while scuttling over a zebra crossing where they have 100% right of way.

Alycidon wrote:
On Friday, 1 April 2016 10:50:03 UTC+1, Anthony '****_Taker' Janssen wrote:
Bod wrote:

If I hear a car behind me, I'll either move over closer to the edge of
the verge or if there's a pothole there I'll stop and let the car
past.

Do you doff your cap whilst you're at it?

Same as those saddoes who thank a driver profusely while scuttling over a
zebra crossing where they have 100% right of way.

Indeed. I have no problem with letting other traffic pass me when it is
safe for them to do so, but _only_ when it is safe. And if they have a
problem with that, then that's too bad. Bod seems to acknowledge some
sort of pecking order in which cars are above bicycles. The reverse is
true, as has been demonstrated many times: cyclists (and pedestrians and
horse riders) use the public highway as a matter of right at common law - a
right which cannot be infringed. Drivers use the public highway under
licence, and there is as such no 'right' for them to be there, much less
for them to get past a cyclist because the latter 'is holding them up'.

--
john smith |MA (Hons)|MPhil (Hons)|CAPES (mention très bien)|LLB (Hons)
'It never gets any easier. You just get faster'
(Greg LeMond (1961 - ))

On Friday, April 1, 2016 at 10:11:38 AM UTC+1, Bod wrote:
On 01/04/2016 09:32, Bod wrote:
On 01/04/2016 09:18, Alycidon wrote:

"What's-a matter you? Hey! Gotta no respect. What-a you t'ink you do?
Why you slap my car? I'm-a not too close, U should be on-a the side.
Ah, shaddap-a you face!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUzM...ature=youtu.be

Alcydon, how come in 60 years of cycling I have never had an incident
like that, yet you seem to show many cyclists getting aggro because of
your silly rule of cycling in the middle of the lane when the road is
narrow? You don't have to be a rocket scientist to realise that doing
that will antagonise many motorists.

I notice that there is no response yet about my comments above.

--
Bod

It is a bit of a silly way of putting across your point.

The general question is about whether cyclists who feel uncomfortable being overtaken should "take the lane" to prevent overtaking, even if this risks antagonising a minority of motorists.

As my previous posts have demonstrated, there has been a vast increase in cycling in London since the 1980s. This is only now resulting in a reallocation of road space from motorists back to non-motorists. Occasional conflict between individual cyclists and individual motorists are bound to occur. It is not the norm, and, thankfully, rare.

Sometimes the motorist is to blame, sometime the cyclist is to blame. More often they are both to blame.

On Friday, April 1, 2016 at 10:41:43 AM UTC+1, Bod wrote:
On 01/04/2016 10:28, Anthony '****_Taker' Janssen wrote:
Bod wrote:
On 01/04/2016 10:16, Anthony '****_Taker' Janssen wrote:
Bod wrote:
On 01/04/2016 09:32, Bod wrote:
On 01/04/2016 09:18, Alycidon wrote:

"What's-a matter you? Hey! Gotta no respect. What-a you t'ink you do?
Why you slap my car? I'm-a not too close, U should be on-a the side.
Ah, shaddap-a you face!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUzM...ature=youtu.be

Alcydon, how come in 60 years of cycling I have never had an incident
like that, yet you seem to show many cyclists getting aggro because of
your silly rule of cycling in the middle of the lane when the road is
narrow? You don't have to be a rocket scientist to realise that doing
that will antagonise many motorists.

I notice that there is no response yet about my comments above.

Maybe he assumed you were trolling.

I know I did.

Perhaps you've never seen my posts before (which I find hard to believe).
If you had, you'd *know* that I generally support the cyclists side.

I have seen your posts, and am aware of your general position. I thus find
your point above somewhat incongruous - more like something I'd expect from
one of the group psychopaths.

The 'silly rule' of cycling in the middle of the lane when the road is
narrow is the riding position recommended (AFAIR) by British Cycling, the
Department of Transport, TFL and many others. Yes, it probably does
result in a fair degree of frustration at psychopaths who cannot abide the
prospect of having to take their right foot off of the accelerator for
fifteen seconds.

But that's just too bad.

Where I live I've only encountered 1 cyclist adopting the middle lane
tactic in the 12 years I've lived here. I am surrounded by narrow
country lanes and have often cycled on them and as I said earlier I've
never had any problems with any motor vehicle. If I hear a car behind
me, I'll either move over closer to the edge of the verge or if there's
a pothole
there I'll stop and let the car past. I always get a thankyou from the
drivers. I now cycle on off road gravel paths mainly now though.
When I'm driving my car, most cyclists do the same as I do. Everyones
happy.
--
Bod

There is a world of difference between cycling in the countryside for leisure and city commuting.

I have cycled slowly up Pyrenean and Alpine cols on a laden touring bicycle and have both been treated respectfully by motorists and have, I hope, been respectful to motorists.

I have also cycled as a city commuter and have been treated with contempt by motorists - I am also guilty of the occasional selfish behaviour.

Selfish behaviour seems to increase with congestion.

On 01/04/2016 10:48, Anthony '****_Taker' Janssen wrote:
Bod wrote:

If I hear a car behind me, I'll either move over closer to the edge of
the verge or if there's a pothole there I'll stop and let the car past.

Do you doff your cap whilst you're at it?

If I had a cap on, then why not. I'm a considerate bloke.

--
Bod

On Fri, 1 Apr 2016 10:26:50 +0100
Bod wrote:

I agree with you that that bloke was a bit of a plonker and could and
should've overtaked way before the pinch point, but the altercation
would never have happened if the cyclist had stayed within about 2ft
from the kerb. Most potholes and drains are within 2ft of the kerb.

I disagree - there wasn't room for the van and cyclist to pass safely
through the pinch point even if the cyclist had been riding in the
gutter - indeed if he had been riding in the gutter I expect he'd have
ended up falling on the pavement. The driver should have realised this
and held back rather than expecting the cyclist to disappear. If a
moving vehicle is close enough to get kicked or slapped than it's too
close. We may choose to filter in stationary or crawling traffic
because the kinetic energy involved is relatively low, but drivers make
the mistake of thinking they can pass that close when they're doing
30mph+.

On 01/04/2016 09:32, Bod wrote:

On 01/04/2016 09:18, Alycidon wrote:

"What's-a matter you? Hey! Gotta no respect. What-a you t'ink you do?
Why you slap my car? I'm-a not too close, U should be on-a the side.
Ah, shaddap-a you face!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUzM...ature=youtu.be

Alcydon, how come in 60 years of cycling I have never had an incident
like that, yet you seem to show many cyclists getting aggro because of
your silly rule of cycling in the middle of the lane when the road is
narrow? You don't have to be a rocket scientist to realise that doing
that will antagonise many motorists.

And he wonders why so many people from the Hull area throw things at him
whenever they recognise him (or "accidentally" cost him money, eg, when
he's having his car repaired).

On 01/04/2016 10:41, Bod wrote:
On 01/04/2016 10:28, Anthony '****_Taker' Janssen wrote:
Bod wrote:
On 01/04/2016 10:16, Anthony '****_Taker' Janssen wrote:
Bod wrote:
On 01/04/2016 09:32, Bod wrote:
On 01/04/2016 09:18, Alycidon wrote:

"What's-a matter you? Hey! Gotta no respect. What-a you t'ink you
do?
Why you slap my car? I'm-a not too close, U should be on-a the side.
Ah, shaddap-a you face!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUzM...ature=youtu.be

Alcydon, how come in 60 years of cycling I have never had an incident
like that, yet you seem to show many cyclists getting aggro
because of
your silly rule of cycling in the middle of the lane when the road is
narrow? You don't have to be a rocket scientist to realise that doing
that will antagonise many motorists.

I notice that there is no response yet about my comments above.

Maybe he assumed you were trolling.

I know I did.

Perhaps you've never seen my posts before (which I find hard to
believe).
If you had, you'd *know* that I generally support the cyclists side.

I have seen your posts, and am aware of your general position. I thus
find
your point above somewhat incongruous - more like something I'd expect
from
one of the group psychopaths.

The 'silly rule' of cycling in the middle of the lane when the road is
narrow is the riding position recommended (AFAIR) by British Cycling, the
Department of Transport, TFL and many others. Yes, it probably does
result in a fair degree of frustration at psychopaths who cannot abide
the
prospect of having to take their right foot off of the accelerator for
fifteen seconds.

But that's just too bad.

Where I live I've only encountered 1 cyclist adopting the middle lane
tactic in the 12 years I've lived here. I am surrounded by narrow
country lanes and have often cycled on them and as I said earlier I've
never had any problems with any motor vehicle. If I hear a car behind
me, I'll either move over closer to the edge of the verge or if there's
a pothole
there I'll stop and let the car past. I always get a thankyou from the
drivers. I now cycle on off road gravel paths mainly now though.
When I'm driving my car, most cyclists do the same as I do. Everyones
happy.

Yitzhak doesn't *want* everyone to be happy.

Neither does mason.