Betsy Keeps Pulling Lance's Short Hairs

"The money spent by the government to stop fraud in sports is minuscule
in comparison to the money being made by the athletes committing the
fraud. The investigation is a good thing for those of us who want clean
sport -- not just for the athlete who wants to compete clean but
especially for the youth who partake in it."
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cyclin...ory?id=5522910

Over to Fabio the Flak on drums.

On Sep 8, 12:15*pm, BLafferty wrote:
"The money spent by the government to stop fraud in sports is minuscule
in comparison to the money being made by the athletes committing the
fraud. The investigation is a good thing for those of us who want clean
sport -- not just for the athlete who wants to compete clean but
especially for the youth who partake in it."http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/columns/story?id=5522910

Over to Fabio the Flak on drums.

Personally, if the FDA has some limited $$ for investigations, I'd
rather see it going to addressing real problems affecting the majority
of US consumers (e.g. recent salmonella egg crisis, unregulated
supplements, etc.) than going after a decade-old case of doping by a
US athlete in a niche sport that most people in the US could give a
rat's ass about.

If old Betsy is all in a bunch about athletes who commit doping fraud,
she can always talk to Frankie.

Brad Anders

On 9/8/2010 4:32 PM, Brad Anders wrote:
On Sep 8, 12:15 pm, wrote:
"The money spent by the government to stop fraud in sports is minuscule
in comparison to the money being made by the athletes committing the
fraud. The investigation is a good thing for those of us who want clean
sport -- not just for the athlete who wants to compete clean but
especially for the youth who partake in it."http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/columns/story?id=5522910

Over to Fabio the Flak on drums.

Personally, if the FDA has some limited $$ for investigations, I'd
rather see it going to addressing real problems affecting the majority
of US consumers (e.g. recent salmonella egg crisis, unregulated
supplements, etc.) than going after a decade-old case of doping by a
US athlete in a niche sport that most people in the US could give a
rat's ass about.

If old Betsy is all in a bunch about athletes who commit doping fraud,
she can always talk to Frankie.

Brad Anders

The investigation has gone beyond just one agency being involved. Hope
that makes you feel better. :-)

On Sep 8, 2:41*pm, BLafferty wrote:

The investigation has gone beyond just one agency being involved. Hope
that makes you feel better. :-)- Hide quoted text -

Quite the opposite. An even bigger waste of money and resources.

Brad Aners

On 9/8/2010 5:59 PM, Brad Anders wrote:
On Sep 8, 2:41 pm, wrote:

The investigation has gone beyond just one agency being involved. Hope
that makes you feel better. :-)- Hide quoted text -

Quite the opposite. An even bigger waste of money and resources.

Brad Aners

So, how much money does one have to misappropriate from the US
government and/or corporations before the crime hits your radar?

"BLafferty" wrote in message
...
"The money spent by the government to stop fraud in sports is minuscule in
comparison to the money being made by the athletes committing the fraud.
The investigation is a good thing for those of us who want clean sport --
not just for the athlete who wants to compete clean but especially for the
youth who partake in it."
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cyclin...ory?id=5522910

Over to Fabio the Flak on drums.

Maybe I haven't been as faithful a follower of Ms Andreu as I should have
been, but has this been her stance from the beginning, that she's been on a
crusdade to clean up sports? That quote reads differently than I expected.
It's no longer about her vs Lance, who said what. Now it's "Think of the
children!" Was it always, and I just didn't notice?

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

On Sep 8, 3:07*pm, BLafferty wrote:
On 9/8/2010 5:59 PM, Brad Anders wrote:

On Sep 8, 2:41 pm, *wrote:

The investigation has gone beyond just one agency being involved. Hope
that makes you feel better. :-)- Hide quoted text -

Quite the opposite. An even bigger waste of money and resources.

Brad Aners

So, how much money does one have to misappropriate from the US
government and/or corporations before the crime hits your radar?

IMO, considering that everyone Postal competed against during the LA
era for grand tour GS spots was dosing as much or more than Postal
was, and Postal wanted to be on top to get the maximum return on their
investment (which I have no doubt that they realized, given their
success and LA's popularity), then any $$ that went to paying for dope
was a necessary cost-of-business expense. Better yet, it's likely that
the majority of the $$ that went to pay for dope came out of the
rider's pockets, so the taxpayer got an even better deal than you'd
think.

Brad Anders

On Sep 8, 6:07*pm, BLafferty wrote:
On 9/8/2010 5:59 PM, Brad Anders wrote:

On Sep 8, 2:41 pm, *wrote:

The investigation has gone beyond just one agency being involved. Hope
that makes you feel better. :-)- Hide quoted text -

Quite the opposite. An even bigger waste of money and resources.

Brad Aners

So, how much money does one have to misappropriate from the US
government and/or corporations before the crime hits your radar?

Let's rephrase that: Since you are so fond of being in battle in
inconsequential little ponds - cycling, chess - how is it that you
save your moral outrage for something as stupid as doping in sports,
when there are real, consequential battles to be fought?

Setting your sights low is always an effective means to achieving
'success'.

R

On 9/8/2010 7:32 PM, Brad Anders wrote:
On Sep 8, 3:07 pm, wrote:
On 9/8/2010 5:59 PM, Brad Anders wrote:

On Sep 8, 2:41 pm, wrote:

The investigation has gone beyond just one agency being involved. Hope
that makes you feel better. :-)- Hide quoted text -

Quite the opposite. An even bigger waste of money and resources.

Brad Aners

So, how much money does one have to misappropriate from the US
government and/or corporations before the crime hits your radar?

IMO, considering that everyone Postal competed against during the LA
era for grand tour GS spots was dosing as much or more than Postal
was, and Postal wanted to be on top to get the maximum return on their
investment (which I have no doubt that they realized, given their
success and LA's popularity), then any $$ that went to paying for dope
was a necessary cost-of-business expense. Better yet, it's likely that
the majority of the $$ that went to pay for dope came out of the
rider's pockets, so the taxpayer got an even better deal than you'd
think.

Brad Anders

Unfortunately for you, that is not the legal standard for these
indictable crimes. The Tailwind-Postal contract contained very clear
anti-doping provisions. Had USPS known of the doping, would they have
entered and/or continued funding Tailwind? Unlikely. If doping is
proved to have systematically occurred during the period the contract
was in force, that constitutes a material breach involving a continuing
criminal fraud. Covering up the use of drugs also has criminal
liability. There's also conspiracy, mail and wire fraud, money
laundering (as but one violation of Treasury law and regs), sobrining
perjury and possible obstruction of justice (new Oakleys for everyone on
rbr who supports Lance). None of these criminal acts is defensible by
claiming that Postal got a good PR return for their releasing of funds
to Tailwind. Of course Lance doesn't have to worry as he says that he
had no ownership interest in Tailwind--right?

Carry on.

Do you ever think about anything besides Lance's genitalia?