They jump red lights for their own safety, then want compo !!

On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 21:22:34 -0000, tim... wrote:


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On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 19:27:03 -0000, tim...
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 09:11:02 +0000, MrCheerful

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http://www.pendletoday.co.uk/news/cy...t-it-1-8256230


Has the cyclist been prosecuted yet?

Going through a red light.
Lying to the police (is that actually an offence? - I don't know)

Leaving the scene of accident where a person is injured is an offence,
it's
irrelevant that you think the other person caused the incident

Since when was it compulsory to help someone? If I see someone fall off a
cliff, I don't have to report it.

OK OK, I should have said

Leaving the scene of an automobile accident which involved you ...

But I rather took that as read as it was implicit in the article

An automobile accident which was **my fault**, I should do something about it. Otherwise, no.

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On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 21:25:35 -0000, MrCheerful wrote:

On 28/11/2016 21:22, tim... wrote:

"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 19:27:03 -0000, tim...
wrote:


"Judith" wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 09:11:02 +0000, MrCheerful

wrote:

http://www.pendletoday.co.uk/news/cy...t-it-1-8256230



Has the cyclist been prosecuted yet?

Going through a red light.
Lying to the police (is that actually an offence? - I don't know)

Leaving the scene of accident where a person is injured is an
offence, it's
irrelevant that you think the other person caused the incident

Since when was it compulsory to help someone? If I see someone fall
off a cliff, I don't have to report it.

OK OK, I should have said

Leaving the scene of an automobile accident which involved you ...

But I rather took that as read as it was implicit in the article

tim

No, leaving the scene is quite ok.

I wish people would do it quicker, then there'd be less tailbacks.

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It is impossible to hold a sandwich between your elbows and eat it.

On 28/11/2016 19:27, tim... wrote:

"Judith" wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 09:11:02 +0000, MrCheerful
wrote:

http://www.pendletoday.co.uk/news/cy...t-it-1-8256230



Has the cyclist been prosecuted yet?

Going through a red light.
Lying to the police (is that actually an offence? - I don't know)

Leaving the scene of accident where a person is injured is an offence,
it's irrelevant that you think the other person caused the incident

Is it irrelevant that you have no reason to believe that anyone has been
injured (eg, because they say so)?

If that were not the case, then every accident would be reportable on
the basis that an injury might not show up until later.

On 28/11/2016 20:43, Nick wrote:
On 28/11/2016 17:12, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 17:05:26 -0000, Judith
wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 09:36:07 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 28/11/2016 09:11, MrCheerful wrote:
http://www.pendletoday.co.uk/news/cy...t-it-1-8256230



Drivers are very naughty as well:

Driver 'using THREE mobile phones behind the wheel' near Elephant and
Castle.




Relevance to the thread - and even the newsgroup:

No relevance at all.

Going back to the original article - so it's now illegal not to report a
crime committed by someone else?


If you drive you really should know the law.

Highway code

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/breakdowns-and-incidents-274-to-287

++++++
Rule 286
If you are involved in a collision which causes damage or injury to any
other person, vehicle, animal or property, you MUST

stop
give your own and the vehicle owner’s name and address, and the
registration number of the vehicle, to anyone having reasonable grounds
for requiring them
if you do not give your name and address at the time of the collision,
report it to the police as soon as reasonably practicable, and in any
case within 24 hours.
+++++++

The "report to the police" bit only applies where there is an injury to
a third party, OR where the owner / keeper / driver of one of the
vehicles is not present.

In a case where all the drivers are present and where everyone says they
are uninjured, there is no requirement to report the collision to the
police.

On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 21:45:58 -0000, JNugent wrote:

On 28/11/2016 20:43, Nick wrote:
On 28/11/2016 17:12, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 17:05:26 -0000, Judith
wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 09:36:07 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 28/11/2016 09:11, MrCheerful wrote:
http://www.pendletoday.co.uk/news/cy...t-it-1-8256230



Drivers are very naughty as well:

Driver 'using THREE mobile phones behind the wheel' near Elephant and
Castle.




Relevance to the thread - and even the newsgroup:

No relevance at all.

Going back to the original article - so it's now illegal not to report a
crime committed by someone else?


If you drive you really should know the law.

Highway code

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/breakdowns-and-incidents-274-to-287

++++++
Rule 286
If you are involved in a collision which causes damage or injury to any
other person, vehicle, animal or property, you MUST

stop
give your own and the vehicle owner’s name and address, and the
registration number of the vehicle, to anyone having reasonable grounds
for requiring them
if you do not give your name and address at the time of the collision,
report it to the police as soon as reasonably practicable, and in any
case within 24 hours.
+++++++

The "report to the police" bit only applies where there is an injury to
a third party, OR where the owner / keeper / driver of one of the
vehicles is not present.

In a case where all the drivers are present and where everyone says they
are uninjured, there is no requirement to report the collision to the
police.

If you're the only one present, and there's no CCTV, why would you need to report it?

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For fingering A minor.

On 28/11/2016 21:45, JNugent wrote:
On 28/11/2016 20:43, Nick wrote:
On 28/11/2016 17:12, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 17:05:26 -0000, Judith
wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 09:36:07 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 28/11/2016 09:11, MrCheerful wrote:
http://www.pendletoday.co.uk/news/cy...t-it-1-8256230




Drivers are very naughty as well:

Driver 'using THREE mobile phones behind the wheel' near Elephant and
Castle.




Relevance to the thread - and even the newsgroup:

No relevance at all.

Going back to the original article - so it's now illegal not to report a
crime committed by someone else?


If you drive you really should know the law.

Highway code

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/breakdowns-and-incidents-274-to-287


++++++
Rule 286
If you are involved in a collision which causes damage or injury to any
other person, vehicle, animal or property, you MUST

stop
give your own and the vehicle owner’s name and address, and the
registration number of the vehicle, to anyone having reasonable grounds
for requiring them
if you do not give your name and address at the time of the collision,
report it to the police as soon as reasonably practicable, and in any
case within 24 hours.
+++++++

The "report to the police" bit only applies where there is an injury to
a third party, OR where the owner / keeper / driver of one of the
vehicles is not present.

In a case where all the drivers are present and where everyone says they
are uninjured, there is no requirement to report the collision to the
police.

The guy defended himself and it sounds like he made a guilty plea.

On 29/11/2016 02:19, Phil Lee wrote:
"James Wilkinson Sword" considered Mon, 28 Nov
2016 21:38:50 -0000 the perfect time to write:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 21:22:34 -0000, tim... wrote:


"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 19:27:03 -0000, tim...
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"Judith" wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 09:11:02 +0000, MrCheerful

wrote:

http://www.pendletoday.co.uk/news/cy...t-it-1-8256230


Has the cyclist been prosecuted yet?

Going through a red light.
Lying to the police (is that actually an offence? - I don't know)

Leaving the scene of accident where a person is injured is an offence,
it's
irrelevant that you think the other person caused the incident

Since when was it compulsory to help someone? If I see someone fall off a
cliff, I don't have to report it.

OK OK, I should have said

Leaving the scene of an automobile accident which involved you ...

But I rather took that as read as it was implicit in the article

An automobile accident which was **my fault**, I should do something about it. Otherwise, no.

Then it may be justifiably assumed to be your fault, even if it
actually wasn't.
And before you go screaming about "innocent until proven guilty", that
only in criminal court. In civil cases (where liability for
compensation is decided, which may have an effect on your future
insurance premiums far in excess of any financial consequences imposed
by the criminal courts), the standard of proof is "on the balance of
probability" and your actions in fleeing the scene are likely to
damage your case beyond redemption.
People who flee the scene are _probably_ (as in, statistically likely)
trying to hide something (usually that they were ****ed as a fart when
it happened).


nothing to do with the case in question.

On 28/11/2016 21:42, JNugent wrote:
On 28/11/2016 19:27, tim... wrote:

"Judith" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 09:11:02 +0000, MrCheerful

wrote:

http://www.pendletoday.co.uk/news/cy...t-it-1-8256230




Has the cyclist been prosecuted yet?

Going through a red light.
Lying to the police (is that actually an offence? - I don't know)

Leaving the scene of accident where a person is injured is an offence,
it's irrelevant that you think the other person caused the incident

Is it irrelevant that you have no reason to believe that anyone has been
injured (eg, because they say so)?

If that were not the case, then every accident would be reportable on
the basis that an injury might not show up until later.


He was charged with failing to report the accident to the police. Not
with failing to stop (unless the report is inaccurate).

I don't think everyone will necessarily be aware that if you collide
with a careless cyclist and he says "I'm all right, I'm not hurt and
don't worry it was my fault" you should still call at the nearest
convenient police station and report the accident.

It's an important lesson, then.

"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 21:22:34 -0000, tim...
wrote:


"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 19:27:03 -0000, tim...
wrote:


"Judith" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 09:11:02 +0000, MrCheerful

wrote:

http://www.pendletoday.co.uk/news/cy...t-it-1-8256230


Has the cyclist been prosecuted yet?

Going through a red light.
Lying to the police (is that actually an offence? - I don't know)

Leaving the scene of accident where a person is injured is an offence,
it's
irrelevant that you think the other person caused the incident

Since when was it compulsory to help someone? If I see someone fall off
a
cliff, I don't have to report it.

OK OK, I should have said

Leaving the scene of an automobile accident which involved you ...

But I rather took that as read as it was implicit in the article

An automobile accident which was **my fault**, I should do something about
it. Otherwise, no.

the law doesn't allow YOU to decide who was at fault at the scene

you have to act the same regardless of your thought it was the other guys
fault, because you might be wrong

tim

On 29/11/2016 11:36, tim... wrote:

"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 21:22:34 -0000, tim...
wrote:


"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 19:27:03 -0000, tim...
wrote:


"Judith" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 09:11:02 +0000, MrCheerful

wrote:

http://www.pendletoday.co.uk/news/cy...t-it-1-8256230



Has the cyclist been prosecuted yet?

Going through a red light.
Lying to the police (is that actually an offence? - I don't know)

Leaving the scene of accident where a person is injured is an offence,
it's
irrelevant that you think the other person caused the incident

Since when was it compulsory to help someone? If I see someone fall
off a
cliff, I don't have to report it.

OK OK, I should have said

Leaving the scene of an automobile accident which involved you ...

But I rather took that as read as it was implicit in the article

An automobile accident which was **my fault**, I should do something
about it. Otherwise, no.

the law doesn't allow YOU to decide who was at fault at the scene

you have to act the same regardless of your thought it was the other
guys fault, because you might be wrong

tim




Someone once drove into the back of my car while I was waiting to pull
out of a side road. I surveyed my damage, which was imperceptible and
said don't worry about it to the other driver, expecting him to be
pleased. He started mouthing off about MY insurance details, I assured
him that I would not be making a claim against him and drove away, he
was still shouting...........