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"JimmyMac" wrote in message
... On Sep 1, 4:53 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] All Americans have more or less the same diet. This is an absolutely false statement. Various ethnicities have different diets and the health conscious eat more organically and then there are the vegetarians and vegans. There is some value in comparing the diets of various peoples around the world with their rates of cancer. But as is well known, comparisons are extremely difficult for a variety of reasons, the main one being too many variables involved. Yet all Americans do not get cancer. Most especially, all men do not get prostate cancer, at least not to the point where it is going to cause death. First off, cancer is not American-centric as I have previously indicated. All Americans do not get cancer, but all to many do! The percentage of men getting prostate cancer is very high and the trend is for prostate cancer to be contracted earlier than in the past. Why do you think that is? As concerns death, most prostate cancer is a slow growing non-aggressive form that allows for other maladies to cause death before prostate cancet does, so your point is rendered moot. Maybe we should be studying those people who never get cancer and trying to find out why that is? [...] I could go on and on here, but it should be obvious that I know far more more about the biology of the disease than does Ed Dolan, not that that in any way hinders him from running his mouth and offering errant opinion stated as though fact. What you think you know is a mere pittance compared to what the true experts know. What are your credentials other than reading a lot of unrelated health and medical literature on your own? "You are embarked on a wild goose chase which will do nothing to enhance your long term prospects." - Ed Dolan [...] The main FACT you need to get acquainted with is that we are all victims of whatever culture we live in. There is no escaping it unless you want to live alone in the wilds of Alaska hunting and gathering like Chris McCandless of "Into the Wild" (he died of food poisoning and starvation). A single person who dies of food posioning and/or starvation does not to bolster your argument in the least. The main FACT that you need to get acquainted with is that we need not be enslaved by the culture that we born into and live in. Truth be told, it is becoming tedious to attempt to reason with a man so unreasonable. If you had studied the social sciences more in college instead of worthless subjects like philosophy and religion at Loyola, you would know that we are indeed slaves of our culture. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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"JimmyMac" wrote in message
... On Sep 1, 4:56 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] Your facts are not really facts, they are just another set of opinions camouflaged as facts. Your opinion that known facts are not really facts is merely camouflaged opinion stated as fact. Deletion of (presented facts) and denial of such facts is a ludicrous effort to discredit what is documented and accepted. Socrates taught that wisdom begins in the recognition of how little we know. Every time you open your mouth, you embarrass yourself by demonstrating how little you know and in so doing diminish the sum total of your credibility. Keep up the good work. Nope, simply documenting something does not mean it is true and accepted. ALL facts are subject to being interpreted and disputed. My contempt for your so-called facts runneth over! [...] The bottom line is that people become diseased and die every day from cancer and other conditions as a result of having lived. Anyone who makes it to age 70 or so has been doing an awful lot of things right. If everyone were dying of diseased conditions in their 30's and 40's, then I would consider looking into what might be causing it, but that is clearly not the case. The bottom line is NOT that people become diseased and die every day from cancer and other conditions as a result of MERELY having lived, but rather that we have lived not as well as we should have, having made choices that limit our exposure to that which contributes to cumulative damage of our DNA as we age, genetic mutation that triggers the onset of disease, an indisputable fact that DOLAN refuses to acknowledge. Most folks live about as well as their culture permits. Trying to escape what your culture gives you is a fool's errand. I have never seen anyone in their 80's who was not frail. That is due to a biological clock which is ticking away in all of us from the moment of our birth. Diet only effects our health on the margins. The FACT is that our food in the US is by and large safe. If it weren't, no one would make it to age 70 or above. Granted, age inevitably takes its toll on the biological organism, but diet plays a significant role be it good or bad depending upon the choices we make as to what we ingest. This has become increasingly obvious as evidence accumlates. Diet plays a role because how and what we eat is an important element of life. However, what is in dispute is how great that role is in the grand scheme of things. Most people in all previous cultures never lived much past the age of 40. Maybe mother nature never intended that we should live to age 70 or 80? Why not talk to your wife and get her input. She is a nurse and knows things about life and death that you and I don't. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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On 9/2/2011 9:35 AM, JimmyMac wrote:
[...] Granted, age inevitably takes its toll on the biological organism, but diet plays a significant role be it good or bad depending upon the choices we make as to what we ingest. This has become increasingly obvious as evidence accumlates. Yeah, but all the good food is boring, and the tasty food bad for you. Such is life. -- Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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On Aug 12, 12:27*am, "T°m Sherm@n" ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote: On 8/11/2011 7:04 PM, JimmyMac wrote: [...] Listening to Beethoven is neither more important than your health nor will it make you any more healthy. *That much is a indisputable.[... The act of listening to proper music may well improve mental health, thereby improving the function of the immune system. I was thinking of physical health, but if mental health benefits from listening to certain music, then Ed should listen more often since it is obvious that he is in need of improving his mental health. - Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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On Sep 2, 11:58*pm, "T°m Sherm@n" ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote: On 9/2/2011 9:35 AM, JimmyMac wrote: * [...] Granted, age inevitably takes its toll on the biological organism, but diet plays a significant role be it good or bad depending upon the choices we make as to what we ingest. *This has become increasingly obvious as evidence accumulates. Yeah, but all the good food is boring, and the tasty food bad for you. Such is life. No arguments there. Much of the food that is healthy for you is on the boring side and much food that is tasty food is not heathy for you. Life just isnt't fair, I guess. Jim Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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On Sep 2, 12:25*pm, JimmyMac wrote:
On Sep 1, 4:53*am, "Edward Dolan" wrote: On Aug 12, 4:59 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] You are embarked on a wild goose chase which will do nothing to enhance your long term prospects. [...] Your opinion has been noted for what it is ... fallacious. I will let you in on a few things that if you weren't such a lazy ass, you'd be able to learn for yourself. It is now generally accepted that 30-90% of all cancer is diet related. Yes, but over a lifetime. I could just as easily say that cancer is life related. Live long enough and those cells will eventually go crazy somewhere in your body. Cancer is more than merely life related. *It is life choice related. There is a strong association of high intake of Omega-6 fats and the occurrence of prostate cancer and the degree of its aggressiveness. The fact is that nutrition plays a major role in the sensitivity and likelihood of developing cancer. All Americans have more or less the same diet. This is an absolutely false statement. *Various ethnicities have different diets and the health conscious eat more organically and then there are the vegetarians and vegans. Yet all Americans do not get cancer. Most especially, all men do not get prostate cancer, at least not to the point where it is going to cause death. First off, cancer is not American-centric as I have previously indicated. *All Americans do not get cancer, but all to many do! *The percentage of men getting prostate cancer is very high and the trend is for prostate cancer to be contracted earlier than in the past. *Why do you think that is? *As concerns death, most prostate cancer is a slow growing non-aggressive form that allows for other maladies to cause death before prostate cancer does, so your point is rendered moot. The health of our DNA is nutrient dependent, as is our ability to repair DNA damage. Cancer begins with mutated faulty genes. Free radicals damage DNA, which when not repaired, is passed on through replication. A shortage of antioxidants inhibit the DNA repair process. Many cells have special cancer growth genes called protooncogenes which if turned on from the unrepaired DNA causes normal cells to be transformed into cancer cells that replicate uncontrollably. What wakes up (read turns on) these genes and precipitates cancer are viruses, chemicals, infections, radiation, foreign bodies, and nutritional deficiencies, especially deficiency of folate. Nope, too many possible causes, which means cancer is still not understood. In your opinion you forgot to add. *Much is yet to be learned about the disease, but what is know is that which you stubbornly refuse to acknowledge. *Of course, you are entitled to your ignorance. Exposure to these causative factors result in the formation of free radicals and chronic inflammation leading to cancer. Once cancer cells are established they have an enormous appetite for sugar,, iron and glutamate. A seaweed extract foo additive commonly found in baked goods and ice cream, (CARRAGEENEN) promotes the aggressive growth and spread of cancer by stimulating the COX-2 enzyme. None of the above is known for sure. If it were, there would be a standard treatment given to all cancer patients to prevent its reoccurrence. First off, not all cancers are created equal and require the same treatment. *Protocol for treatment is somewhat standardized. *It is called standard of care, but that evolves as more is learned of the disease. *Regardless, your conclusion does not strictly follow from your premise. *This is a logical fallacy known as a non-sequitor, one of your favorites. I could go on and on here, but it should be obvious that I know far more more about the biology of the disease than does Ed Dolan, not that that in any way hinders him from running his mouth and offering errant opinion stated as though fact. "You are embarked on a wild goose chase which will do nothing to enhance your long term prospects." - Ed Dolan Repeating your copy and paste fallacious assertion does not make it so. *Argumentum ad nauseam (argument to the point of disgust; i.e., by repetition). *This is the logical fallacy of trying to prove something by saying it again and again. *No matter how many times you repeat something, it will not become any more true than it was with the initial utterance. Nope, I haven't heard or seen anything advising men not to eat dairy or red meat. This would be headline news if it were true. In fact, it would be on a par with the campaign against tobacco. You haven't heard because you have chosen not to hear. The campaign against tobacco also was repressed and got off to a slow start after the evidence was in and the truth were known. Much of this has to do with deep pocket lobbying interest since a lot of money is at stake. Regardless, the information is there for those who care to educate themselves, but you are not among those that choose to be enlightened. No surprise there. Ah yes, the old conspiracy notion of why things do not get done according to so and so. No doubt the doctors want people to get sick too, otherwise they would be out of business. You are putting words in my mouth. *I didn't state that doctors want people to get sick too so they would have patients to attend to, but lobbying interest backed by money are a fact of life that will always be with us. *That much is a given. The main FACT you need to get acquainted with is that we are all victims of whatever culture we live in. There is no escaping it unless you want to live alone in the wilds of Alaska hunting and gathering like Chris McCandless of "Into the Wild" (he died of food poisoning and starvation). A single person who dies of food poisoning and/or starvation does not to bolster your argument in the least. *The main FACT that you need to get acquainted with is that we need not be enslaved by the culture that we born into and live in. *Truth be told, it is becoming tedious to attempt to reason with a man so unreasonable. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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On Sep 2, 3:47*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"JimmyMac" wrote in message ... On Sep 1, 4:53 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] All Americans have more or less the same diet. This is an absolutely false statement. *Various ethnicities have different diets and the health conscious eat more organically and then there are the vegetarians and vegans. There is some value in comparing the diets of various peoples around the world with their rates of cancer. But as is well known, comparisons are extremely difficult for a variety of reasons, the main one being too many variables involved. Such studies have been done, but your unwillingness to devote time or energy to research the matter precludes you from being aware of that. Yet all Americans do not get cancer. Most especially, all men do not get prostate cancer, at least not to the point where it is going to cause death. First off, cancer is not American-centric as I have previously indicated. *All Americans do not get cancer, but all to many do! *The percentage of men getting prostate cancer is very high and the trend is for prostate cancer to be contracted earlier than in the past. *Why do you think that is? *As concerns death, most prostate cancer is a slow growing non-aggressive form that allows for other maladies to cause death before prostate cancer does, so your point is rendered moot. Maybe we should be studying those people who never get cancer and trying to find out why that is? That has been done too (see my comment above in this regard), and generally resistance to cancer has been determined to be largely genetically linked. If you expect to be taken seriously and listened to, I'd suggest you first learn before opening talking crap. I could go on and on here, but it should be obvious that I know far more more about the biology of the disease than does Ed Dolan, not that that in any way hinders him from running his mouth and offering errant opinion stated as though fact. What you think you know is a mere pittance compared to what the true experts know. What are your credentials other than reading a lot of unrelated health and medical literature on your own? My doctors have a much higher opinion of my knowledge in this regard than you do and needless to say I value their opinion more that yours. Whereas, what I know is arguably less than what experts in the field know, it is also a given that what you know is a mere pittance in comparison to what I know, so why don't you give it a rest until you get up to speed? "You are embarked on a wild goose chase which will do nothing to enhance your long term prospects." - Ed Dolan [...] The main FACT you need to get acquainted with is that we are all victims of whatever culture we live in. There is no escaping it unless you want to live alone in the wilds of Alaska hunting and gathering like Chris McCandless of "Into the Wild" (he died of food poisoning and starvation). A single person who dies of food poisoning and/or starvation does not to bolster your argument in the least. *The main FACT that you need to get acquainted with is that we need not be enslaved by the culture that we born into and live in. *Truth be told, it is becoming tedious to attempt to reason with a man so unreasonable. If you had studied the social sciences more in college instead of worthless subjects like philosophy and religion at Loyola, you would know that we are indeed slaves of our culture. You have no idea what I studied and social sciences were among them. It is obvious that you didn't benefit from your education which came to a screaching halt with the recipt of a diploma ... sad that. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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On Sep 2, 4:03*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"JimmyMac" wrote in message ... On Sep 1, 4:56 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] Your facts are not really facts, they are just another set of opinions camouflaged as facts. Your opinion that known facts are not really facts is merely camouflaged opinion stated as fact. *Deletion of (presented facts) and denial of such facts is a ludicrous effort to discredit what is documented and accepted. *Socrates taught that wisdom begins in the recognition of how little we know. *Every time you open your mouth, you embarrass yourself by demonstrating how little you know and in so doing diminish the sum total of your credibility. *Keep up the good work. Nope, simply documenting something does not mean it is true and accepted. ALL facts are subject to being interpreted and disputed. My contempt for your so-called facts runneth over! My contempt for your contempt runneth over. The facts I presented, and you deleted, were tested and verified facts of which you are in denial. You never have been able to discern the difference between a fact and an opinion. Facts are not subject to dispute. Let the lecture begin.. A fact is a pragmatic truth which can be verified and confirmed as opposed to perception, belief or opinion which, though held to be true, is not amenable to confirmation. A fact exists independent of the mind and that means everyone except the most contentious of persons (like you) would readily acknowledge and be in agreement about it ... like temperature, for instance. Measurable, temperature is a fact and is not subject to interpretation. Interpretation is basically a conception based on belief and/or judgment. It's basically your opinion. As valid as an opinion may seem to be and as strongly as an opinion is may be held, it is little more than an interpretation conceived to fit the facts as perceived. You often offer your perceptions as though fact when you are merely stating nothing more than opinion. Opinion is not a fact and that's a fact no matter what kind of spin you attempt to put on it. A fact is information about circumstances that are known to exist or events that are known to have occurred. As such, facts are not subject to debate and that's a fact ... not an opinion. You continue to misconstrue the none too subtle distinction between what constitutes a fact and what constitutes an opinion. You never have and never will know the distinction between the two. It is difficult, if not impossible, to challenge an opinion. You take solace from this because you are less likely to be proven fallible ... a frailty of the human condition to which you could not possibly admit. By your own admission, you are all about opinion and is clamorously contemptuous of logic and facts. You emphatically insists upon being unencumbered by logic and unrestrained by facts for two specific, though unexpressed, reasons. Logic is not your strong suit and fact, by definition, is not subject to debate (read not arguable), which precludes your favorite pastime ... argumentation. You are uncomfortable when bound by the confines of logic and fact. So, what do you do? You argue about opinions, but there's problem with that too. Something cannot be branded "true" or "false", "right" or "wrong" when that something is merely an expression of opinion. Nonetheless this is precisely what you endeavor to do ... debate the non-debatable (read opinion). What is debatable are particulars such as values, policies, proposals or propositions. What is also debatable is whether you will ever be able to discern the distinction between fact and opinion and determine what is and what is not subject to debate. It is worthy to note that an opinion coincides with fact only in direct relation to the degree with which it is based in fact. A purveyor of disinformation, your opinions are most often comprised of immaterial speculation and irrelevant supposition. There is a immense difference between opinion and conjecture. You are not, as often asserted, all about opinion. You are all about conjecture ... a none too subtle distinction which exceeds your poor powers of perception. The bottom line is that you should stick to what you know, not to what you think. You are not entitled to an opinion until you can provide a cogent explanation. The bottom line is that people become diseased and die every day from cancer and other conditions as a result of having lived. Anyone who makes it to age 70 or so has been doing an awful lot of things right. If everyone were dying of diseased conditions in their 30's and 40's, then I would consider looking into what might be causing it, but that is clearly not the case. The bottom line is NOT that people become diseased and die every day from cancer and other conditions as a result of MERELY having lived, but rather that we have lived not as well as we should have, having made choices that limit our exposure to that which contributes to cumulative damage of our DNA as we age, genetic mutation that triggers the onset of disease, an indisputable fact that DOLAN refuses to acknowledge. Most folks live about as well as their culture permits. Trying to escape what your culture gives you is a fool's errand. Opinion stated as fact. I have never seen anyone in their 80's who was not frail. That is due to a biological clock which is ticking away in all of us from the moment of our birth. Diet only effects our health on the margins. The FACT is that our food in the US is by and large safe. If it weren't, no one would make it to age 70 or above. Granted, age inevitably takes its toll on the biological organism, but diet plays a significant role be it good or bad depending upon the choices we make as to what we ingest. *This has become increasingly obvious as evidence accumulates. Diet plays a role because how and what we eat is an important element of life. However, what is in dispute is how great that role is in the grand scheme of things. Most people in all previous cultures never lived much past the age of 40. Maybe mother nature never intended that we should live to age 70 or 80? Much has changed over time that has contributed to increased longevity. There are man y variable that have com into play, not the least of is advancement in medical sciences, but the role that diet plays cannot be denied. Why not talk to your wife and get her input. She is a nurse and knows things about life and death that you and I don't. Why not get your facts straight before embarrassing yourself? As usual, you are talking crap again about that which you know nothing. My wife is a retired IT professional and a certified therapist ... not a nurse. Can't you ever get anything right??? Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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"JimmyMac" wrote in message
... On Sep 2, 3:47 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] There is some value in comparing the diets of various peoples around the world with their rates of cancer. But as is well known, comparisons are extremely difficult for a variety of reasons, the main one being too many variables involved. Such studies have been done, but your unwillingness to devote time or energy to research the matter precludes you from being aware of that. Such studies are all over the map. There is no consistency among them. You merely pick the ones that appeal to your prejudices. [...] Maybe we should be studying those people who never get cancer and trying to find out why that is? That has been done too (see my comment above in this regard), and generally resistance to cancer has been determined to be largely genetically linked. If you expect to be taken seriously and listened to, I'd suggest you first learn before opening talking crap. Same problem - no consistency because of way too many variables. [...] What you think you know is a mere pittance compared to what the true experts know. What are your credentials other than reading a lot of unrelated health and medical literature on your own? My doctors have a much higher opinion of my knowledge in this regard than you do and needless to say I value their opinion more that yours. Whereas, what I know is arguably less than what experts in the field know, it is also a given that what you know is a mere pittance in comparison to what I know, so why don't you give it a rest until you get up to speed? You have no idea what your doctors really think of your state of knowledge. Also, most doctors think they know more than they do. The real experts will tell you that we do not know what causes most cancers. If you had studied the social sciences more in college instead of worthless subjects like philosophy and religion at Loyola, you would know that we are indeed slaves of our culture. You have no idea what I studied and social sciences were among them. It is obvious that you didn't benefit from your education which came to a screaching halt with the recipt of a diploma ... sad that. I know you went to Loyola because you told me so. All Catholic colleges require that you waste inordinate amounts of time on courses like religion and philosophy, which is why I never went to a Catholic college. Catholic colleges are good at preparing students for law and medical schools, but terrible at any of the liberal arts. Reason? Too much religion. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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"JimmyMac" wrote in message
... On Sep 2, 4:03 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] Nope, simply documenting something does not mean it is true and accepted. ALL facts are subject to being interpreted and disputed. My contempt for your so-called facts runneth over! My contempt for your contempt runneth over. The facts I presented, and you deleted, were tested and verified facts of which you are in denial. You never have been able to discern the difference between a fact and an opinion. Facts are not subject to dispute. Let the lecture begin.. Let us NOT begin! You are not qualified to ascertain anything at all about true health and medical facts. It takes expertise to do that. All you are reading is propaganda put forth by know-nothings who have an agenda of their own. They used to call such types snake oil salesmen who could cure all conditions if you would only buy their nostrum. The nostrum can be either a product or information. A new character has come along (Dr. Oz) advising that we should all eat meat and dairy. On the other hand. Ornish is still in business advising against all such foods. This is mainly in connection with heart disease, but even less is known about cancer. Final wisdom according to Ed Dolan the Great ... eat whatever you want but only in moderation! [...] Diet plays a role because how and what we eat is an important element of life. However, what is in dispute is how great that role is in the grand scheme of things. Most people in all previous cultures never lived much past the age of 40. Maybe mother nature never intended that we should live to age 70 or 80? Much has changed over time that has contributed to increased longevity. There are man y variable that have com into play, not the least of is advancement in medical sciences, but the role that diet plays cannot be denied. The trouble with comparing diets and diseases of various peoples around the globe is that most of the other variables are not uniform. Hells Bells, most people in most societies do not get cancer because they do not live long enough to get it. Same is true for heart disease and most other diseases of old age. Such statistical comparisons are worthless. Why not talk to your wife and get her input. She is a nurse and knows things about life and death that you and I don't. Why not get your facts straight before embarrassing yourself? As usual, you are talking crap again about that which you know nothing. My wife is a retired IT professional and a certified therapist ... not a nurse. Can't you ever get anything right??? As a therapist, she has seen people in various stages of debilitation and therefore knows more than you do about the difficulties that go with impairment and diseased conditions. You are more like me - selfish to the core and only concerned about yourself. Welcome to the club! Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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