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"Tom Sherman" wrote in message ... The Alaskan Recumbent Princess wrote: ... I think you might be a tad confused. A whore ****s for money, a slut just ****s around and I just say ****. Nothing whorish or slutty about it. Crude and uncouth certainly. But its crude and uncouth when men do it as well.... I can only imagine what Mr. Ed's reaction to the {in)famous picture of Beth and her two friends would be. Without having any idea what Mr. Tom might be referring to, I think it would be best that I never see such a picture if it reflects badly on Beth. I am having enough trouble trying to get her up to speed on her writing without getting into her morals. -- Regards, Ed Dolan - Minnesota |
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"Edward Dolan" wrote in message ... LOL, you don't understand jews at all. Its not the WORDS, its the IDEAS. Being able to express ideas and debate ideas is key - whether you can write "properly" isn't. Its all about verbal debate, not about the written word. We jews love to argue. Thus, my love of debating you and others on usenet. And I do so in a conversational manner - as if we were speaking. Again, its part of my heritage. Those ideas would not even exist had they not been written down in words and then loving preserved by the Jews as their sacred text. Those peoples with nothing but an oral tradition not only soon disappear from history, but they are not even known except for their archeological artifacts. Of course words represent ideas, but the words are inseparable from the ideas. It is not even possible to think without words. Whats that got to do with the price of asparagus in Minneapolis? Traditionally, jewish religious education was all about ARGUING VERBALLY about the torah. Its as simple as that. Its not about writing. Its about verbal debate. Conversation is not writing. They are two different things entirely. You are writing on Usenet, you are not conversing. [...] No...YOU are writing. I am conversing. I am well respected in this newgroup - far better respected than you are. Professionally, I write well, and am well respected by my peers for it. I stand just fine, despite preferring to write newsgroup conversation like real human interaction. You know there is at least one person on this group who does not think much of you because of your contempt for the written word. There are no doubt many others here who do not think much of you for this reason also. There are always costs exacted for defying convention. Those who do not know better can be excused. Those who know better can never be excused. Actually, I think its you who is defying convention. Most usenet denizens recognize this as a casual discussion, not a literary society. I do not see any relationship between Usenet and real human interaction. We are essentially writing letters to one another which the whole world can read and get in on. It simply boggles my mind that you cannot realize this and act accordingly (write better). I believe your family of scholars would be ashamed of you if they knew you were carrying on in this disgraceful manner (not writing better). LOL, and what would yours think about you trying to be "boss of the internet"? Your imaginary standards aren't reality. |
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"Edward Dolan" wrote in message ... If it exists, that shoots Beth's idea that words don't much matter and that we can treat them with contempt by writing them anyway we want without observing the conventions. Nope, thats not my idea at all. My idea is that the ability to express ideas on usenet isnt' restricted by your ideas about what "good writing" is. |
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"Child" wrote in message ... "Edward Dolan" wrote in message ... LOL, you don't understand jews at all. Its not the WORDS, its the IDEAS. Being able to express ideas and debate ideas is key - whether you can write "properly" isn't. Its all about verbal debate, not about the written word. We jews love to argue. Thus, my love of debating you and others on usenet. And I do so in a conversational manner - as if we were speaking. Again, its part of my heritage. Those ideas would not even exist had they not been written down in words and then loving preserved by the Jews as their sacred text. Those peoples with nothing but an oral tradition not only soon disappear from history, but they are not even known except for their archeological artifacts. Of course words represent ideas, but the words are inseparable from the ideas. It is not even possible to think without words. Whats that got to do with the price of asparagus in Minneapolis? Traditionally, jewish religious education was all about ARGUING VERBALLY about the torah. Its as simple as that. Its not about writing. Its about verbal debate. There has got to be something wrong with the way your brain works. You are arguing verbally with one another about the written word as it exists in your sacred texts. Without the written word, none of you would have anything to say to one another and, in fact, the Jews as a people would not even exist. It is your sacred texts that have ensured the survival of the Jews down though history. You tell me why you think you are still here as a people and the Philistines are not? Without the written word and the importance that the Jews have given it they would not have survived down through the ages. You would have gone the way of the Philistines. Conversation is not writing. They are two different things entirely. You are writing on Usenet, you are not conversing. [...] No...YOU are writing. I am conversing. Every time you peck at your keyboard to send a message, you are writing. I am SEEING what you say, not HEARING what you say. In that lies all the difference. I am well respected in this newgroup - far better respected than you are. Professionally, I write well, and am well respected by my peers for it. I stand just fine, despite preferring to write newsgroup conversation like real human interaction. You know there is at least one person on this group who does not think much of you because of your contempt for the written word. There are no doubt many others here who do not think much of you for this reason also. There are always costs exacted for defying convention. Those who do not know better can be excused. Those who know better can never be excused. Actually, I think its you who is defying convention. Most usenet denizens recognize this as a casual discussion, not a literary society. Writing is writing, speaking is speaking. They are two different things. Most on Usenet should not be here in the first place because they do not know how to write. But you do and so I hold you culpable. I do not see any relationship between Usenet and real human interaction. We are essentially writing letters to one another which the whole world can read and get in on. It simply boggles my mind that you cannot realize this and act accordingly (write better). I believe your family of scholars would be ashamed of you if they knew you were carrying on in this disgraceful manner (not writing better). LOL, and what would yours think about you trying to be "boss of the internet"? Your imaginary standards aren't reality. I send these messages of mine to my brother and sister for their amusement and education. Maybe you should do likewise. You might be shocked at what your parents and your brother think of how you are conducting yourself here. Any standards I appeal to are not my standards but the standards that have prevailed for hundreds of years among all those with a minimum of education. I cannot believe that a person of Jewish heritage would purposely run the written word into the ground when the Jews are preeminently the people of the Book. -- Regards, Ed Dolan - Minnesota |
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"Child" wrote in message ... "Edward Dolan" wrote in message ... If it exists, that shoots Beth's idea that words don't much matter and that we can treat them with contempt by writing them anyway we want without observing the conventions. Nope, thats not my idea at all. My idea is that the ability to express ideas on usenet isnt' restricted by your ideas about what "good writing" They are not my ideas but the ideas of all minimally educated persons who believe that culture counts for something in this world. Actually, I detect that you are writing somewhat better now than formerly. All you need do is mind a few p's and q's and you will almost be up to the mark. You do not ever want to be where slugger is at, do you? -- Regards, Ed Dolan - Minnesota |
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"Edward Dolan" wrote in message ...
"Tom Sherman" wrote in message ... Edward Dolan wrote: ... Do you not recall what I said about the Jews being the people of the Book. There is nothing in that Book except words. Without the Book, the Jews would most likely not even exist today. They would have gone extinct long ago with all those other ancient peoples.... snip I remember a phrase from my Bible studies in another lifetime (we Catholics are not big on the Bible) about the importance of the word. I think it went something like this: "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God." I wonder if I am just imagining this or if it exists somewhere in the Bible. If it exists, that shoots Beth's idea that words don't much matter and that we can treat them with contempt by writing them anyway we want without observing the conventions. Hello, The passage is the beginning of the Gospel of St. John. As such, Jews (except the few christian ones) are not likely to recognize it to speak with any authority to them. Btw. I believe that for many centuries the Torah was passed on orally, and the Jews would thus train and value exact memorizing very much. It was finally written down in Greek in Alexandria in Egypt, because the large Jewish community there did not speak Hebrew. yours truly Rasmus Møller (yet another dane, Lutheran) |
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"Edward Dolan" wrote in message ... Traditionally, jewish religious education was all about ARGUING VERBALLY about the torah. Its as simple as that. Its not about writing. Its about verbal debate. There has got to be something wrong with the way your brain works. Actually, i think its that you just aren't getting it. You are arguing verbally with one another about the written word as it exists in your sacred texts. Without the written word, none of you would have anything to say to one another and, in fact, the Jews as a people would not even exist. It is your sacred texts that have ensured the survival of the Jews down though history. You tell me why you think you are still here as a people and the Philistines are not? Without the written word and the importance that the Jews have given it they would not have survived down through the ages. You would have gone the way of the Philistines. Yes, Jews argue about how to interpret the Torah. But its the ability to form that verbal argument thats revered - its what was considered education traditionally. No...YOU are writing. I am conversing. Every time you peck at your keyboard to send a message, you are writing. I am SEEING what you say, not HEARING what you say. In that lies all the difference. There are many professional writers who have conversational, informal styles, yet they still write. How could that possibly be, Eddie? Actually, I think its you who is defying convention. Most usenet denizens recognize this as a casual discussion, not a literary society. Writing is writing, speaking is speaking. They are two different things. Most on Usenet should not be here in the first place because they do not know how to write. But you do and so I hold you culpable. I thought you said I didn't know how to write, eddie? LOL, and what would yours think about you trying to be "boss of the internet"? Your imaginary standards aren't reality. I send these messages of mine to my brother and sister for their amusement and education. Maybe you should do likewise. You might be shocked at what your parents and your brother think of how you are conducting yourself here. My mother, brother and I converse via email frequently. Its informal, full of half sentences. No need to type full ones. Any standards I appeal to are not my standards but the standards that have prevailed for hundreds of years among all those with a minimum of education. I cannot believe that a person of Jewish heritage would purposely run the written word into the ground when the Jews are preeminently the people of the Book. You know as much about jews as you do about women, Eddie. |
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"Edward Dolan" wrote in message ... "Child" wrote in message ... "Edward Dolan" wrote in message ... If it exists, that shoots Beth's idea that words don't much matter and that we can treat them with contempt by writing them anyway we want without observing the conventions. Nope, thats not my idea at all. My idea is that the ability to express ideas on usenet isnt' restricted by your ideas about what "good writing" They are not my ideas but the ideas of all minimally educated persons who believe that culture counts for something in this world. I am certainly minimally eduated, and its not my idea. Evidentally, you need to stop speaking for ALL minimally educated persons, because some of us find you full of ****. Actually, I detect that you are writing somewhat better now than formerly. All you need do is mind a few p's and q's and you will almost be up to the mark. You do not ever want to be where slugger is at, do you? I have no idea who or what "slugger" is, so maybe. |
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