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Dealing with doping- A modest proposal
The reason doping continues to go on despite everyone collectively agreeing
that it (or at least the scandals associated with it ) are greatly damaging the sport is because on an indivual level those who dope have no incentive to come clean about past doping activities unless they are caught, and in fact have every incentive not to. Without an incentive to come clean, they also have no incentive to give it up, especially the winners who dope, since it may be or they may feel it is necessary for their success. And as long as a non-trivial percentage of winners dope, doping will continue to be seen as being needed to win, and will be widespread within the peloton. The whole peloton has to reform at once, but each individual has to make that choice for himself. The best and most foolproof way to find people who are doping is is to get them to confess to it. With that in mind, I propose a complete amnesty for all past doping offenses as of Dec 31 2007. You get to keep riding, you get to keep your trophys, you don't get sued by anybody BUT you have to give a complete and detailed confession. If you don't confess and it later comes out that you were doping before Dec 31 2007, you are banned for life from professional racing AND are open to all legal penalties. If you are someone who confessed and you are found to be doping again after Dec 31 2007, you get a stiffer sanction than someone who had never doped (between double penalty and banned for life.) With all the investigations, retroactive testing using newly invented tests, tell-all books, people ratting each other out to save their skins, those that are doping must be living in a continual fear that their number will come up. In addition, I doubt that athletes WANT to dope, but they feel that they HAVE to dope. Giving them a chance to turn the page and to do it as part of the entire peloton, rather than just one person under the press's microscope with only negative rewards for doing so may be the carrot and stick necessary to finally put a significant bite into cycling's doping. -Tom |
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Dealing with doping- A modest proposal
On May 7, 10:48 pm, "Tom Grosman" wrote:
The best and most foolproof way to find people who are doping is is to get them to confess to it. With that in mind, I propose a complete amnesty for all past doping offenses as of Dec 31 2007. You get to keep riding, you get to keep your trophys, you don't get sued by anybody BUT you have to give a complete and detailed confession. Won't work. 31 2007, you are banned for life from professional racing AND are open to Won't work either. |
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Dealing with doping- A modest proposal
On May 7, 12:53 pm, "Leo, from Europe" wrote:
On May 7, 10:48 pm, "Tom Grosman" wrote: The best and most foolproof way to find people who are doping is is to get them to confess to it. With that in mind, I propose a complete amnesty for all past doping offenses as of Dec 31 2007. You get to keep riding, you get to keep your trophys, you don't get sued by anybody BUT you have to give a complete and detailed confession. Won't work. 31 2007, you are banned for life from professional racing AND are open to Won't work either. Ban them, fine them and humiliate them. There's no excuse for what they've done and how much they've damanged the sport. There are so many hardworking and honest people in this sport who's livelyhood has been permanently damaged by simply bad and avoidable decision making. They're cheating to make more money, or worse, a name for themselves. |
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Dealing with doping- A modest proposal
On May 7, 11:01 pm, paolo wrote:
They're cheating to make more money, or worse, a name for themselves. They are cheating because that's the system. |
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Dealing with doping- A modest proposal
On May 7, 10:53 pm, "Leo, from Europe" wrote:
On May 7, 10:48 pm, "Tom Grosman" wrote: Sorry for the short answer, Google Groups had blocked me because I'm a spammer. A more complete answer: The best and most foolproof way to find people who are doping is is to get them to confess to it. With that in mind, I propose a complete amnesty for all past doping offenses as of Dec 31 2007. You get to keep riding, you get to keep your trophys, you don't get sued by anybody BUT you have to give a complete and detailed confession. They have too much at stake to do that. Their reputation is more important than their trophies. Will the team sponsors still pay their salaries (well, some examples say yes: Millar, Virenque,...). Plus, they fear that if they speak, all the other riders will turn their back on them. See Manzano, Simeoni. 31 2007, you are banned for life from professional racing AND are open to They are workers and as such they have rights. Some have already appelled a doping ban on the grounds that they have the right to do their job. I guess civil courts won't easily permit life bans. |
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Dealing with doping- A modest proposal
Tom Grosman wrote:
And as long as a non-trivial percentage of winners dope, doping will continue to be seen as being needed to win, and will be widespread within the peloton. The whole peloton has to reform at once, but each individual has to make that choice for himself. And the question is, who's going to start? These people are making their living in the sport, and as usual, better work performance tends to mean better pay. Bad performance can mean losing your job, which is a bit tough after working hard for years to have it in the first place. Assumptions: 1) The dope is available. 2) The dope works. 3) The dope can be used without being caught. 4) Sponsors want results from their teams, and thus the teams from their riders. As long as all four are true, as I believe is the case, I have a hard time believing widespread doping could ever dissappear from professional cycling. The current anti-doping strategy seems to be making assumption 3 untrue, but it seems like a futile race which is damaging to everybody involved. I'm sure this is also the case in many other professional sports. And some of them have perhaps made a wise choice not carrying out testing at all. Antti |
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Dealing with doping- A modest proposal
"Tom Grosman" wrote in message ... The best and most foolproof way to find people who are doping is is to get them to confess to it. If you don't confess and it later comes out that you were doping before Dec 31 2007, you are banned for life from professional racing AND are open to all legal penalties. Bad idea. After Dec 31.2007 you have even more reason to deny and hide. What you really want is something like a 3 year ban if you're caught and decrease it if you confess and continue to decrease the ban the more of your buddies you turn in such that if you turn in enough people, it's like only a 6month ban or something. Of course you'd have to not leak A test results (which aparently is not possible) and allow the rider to continue to race while under investigation to catch more flys in the web. Think Rico - no one dopes alone. -Andy B. |
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