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On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 09:43:46 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
In 1969 Crafstman were USA forged (by SK if I recall) but that's all changed now. We use a lot of Snap On which is deathly expensive but well worth the price for heavily used items. The Craftsman brand is now owned by Stanley Black & Decker. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craftsman_(tools) Who owns which tool companies might be useful: http://toolguyd.com/tool-brands-corporate-affiliations/ I recently bought a Craftsman 10 pc 3/8" drive metric socket wrench set #934554. The box was sealed closed, so I couldn't inspect it before buying. I wouldn't have bought it had I seen it in advance: http://www.sears.com/craftsman-10-pc-6-pt-3-8-in-standard/p-00934553000P It works, but the design, finish, and overall quality are seriously lacking. However, it was only $10 (on sale), so I can't really complain. Incidentally, it still says "Lifetime Warranty" on the label. Now all I have to do is determine which lifetime warranty: https://www.craftsman.com/customer-care/warranty-information -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On Sunday, April 23, 2017 at 7:43:52 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/22/2017 10:05 PM, wrote: On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 22:37:42 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 4/22/2017 7:35 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote: AMuzi wrote: This expert: http://www.tmj4.com/news/photos-pres...ers-in-kenosha Recommends these: http://www.snaponindustrialbrands.co...e-wrenches.htm Never heard of Snap-on Tools. Is it a quality brand made in the US? Do they actually manufacture the tools in the US or is it a matter of getting the gear from Asia and then putting a sticker on it? If they do R&D in the US I suppose there is some cred to it, however in the long run that must pose a problem the more you are disattached from actual floor work because many good ideas appear there and not in front of a computer... Optimally you'd like the floor AND the computer! In America, Snap-On tools are frequently judged to be The Best. At least around here, a distinctive Snap-On truck will periodically visit shops that have a business relationship with the company. Mechanics (for instance) will buy tools they need from the driver of the truck. Mac and Herbrand used to have "wagon jobbers" as well. Herbrand is apparently gone - I still see the MAC trucks on the road. I bought a fair bit of Herbrand years ago. Ralph Clark was the local dealer for as long as I can remember, and there was no nicer, more accomodating guy in the business. He was a lot easier to deal with than the numerous Snappies that came and went - the prices were better than Snappy, and the quality was excellent. My original base tool kit was Craftsman back in 1969. In 1969 Crafstman were USA forged (by SK if I recall) but that's all changed now. We use a lot of Snap On which is deathly expensive but well worth the price for heavily used items. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 I really don't know what to compare Snape-On and Craftsman tools to. One of the things that bothers me is the ware on things like box-end wrenches that eventually lead to them rounding off bolts and nuts. But perhaps this is only a problem with me being so damn old (barely in my prime compared to JB) that the tools have simply been worn out. |
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On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 12:04:21 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote: On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 09:43:46 -0500, AMuzi wrote: In 1969 Crafstman were USA forged (by SK if I recall) but that's all changed now. We use a lot of Snap On which is deathly expensive but well worth the price for heavily used items. The Craftsman brand is now owned by Stanley Black & Decker. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craftsman_(tools) Who owns which tool companies might be useful: http://toolguyd.com/tool-brands-corporate-affiliations/ I recently bought a Craftsman 10 pc 3/8" drive metric socket wrench set #934554. The box was sealed closed, so I couldn't inspect it before buying. I wouldn't have bought it had I seen it in advance: http://www.sears.com/craftsman-10-pc-6-pt-3-8-in-standard/p-00934553000P It works, but the design, finish, and overall quality are seriously lacking. However, it was only $10 (on sale), so I can't really complain. And that is exactly the point. "Cheap" sells. Harbor Freight started as a guy who imported a container full of cheap Chinese tools and sold them out of his garage. Walmart, the largest retailer in the world, I believe, sells cheap stuff. Way back when, both Volkswagen and the Japanese cars sold because they were cheap. Grin and bear it, "cheap" is desirable :-) Incidentally, it still says "Lifetime Warranty" on the label. Now all I have to do is determine which lifetime warranty: https://www.craftsman.com/customer-care/warranty-information |
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Jeff Liebermann wrote:
:Incidentally, it still says "Lifetime Warranty" on the label. Now all :I have to do is determine which lifetime warranty: :https://www.craftsman.com/customer-care/warranty-information Sears will likely die first. Stanley recently bought the Craftsman brand (rather, agreed to do so, sale isn't final yet.). They did not buy (rather, get paid for) the warranty obligation of existing tools. So when sears fails, and it will, having been run into the ground by a Randian idiot, there will be no warranty. Stanley may choose, out of good will, to honor the warranty. -- sig 7 |
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John B Slocomb wrote:
:On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 12:04:21 -0700, Jeff Liebermann :wrote: :On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 09:43:46 -0500, AMuzi wrote: : :In 1969 Crafstman were USA forged (by SK if I recall) but :that's all changed now. We use a lot of Snap On which is :deathly expensive but well worth the price for heavily used :items. : :The Craftsman brand is now owned by Stanley Black & Decker. :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craftsman_(tools) :Who owns which tool companies might be useful: :http://toolguyd.com/tool-brands-corporate-affiliations/ : :I recently bought a Craftsman 10 pc 3/8" drive metric socket wrench :set #934554. The box was sealed closed, so I couldn't inspect it :before buying. I wouldn't have bought it had I seen it in advance: :http://www.sears.com/craftsman-10-pc-6-pt-3-8-in-standard/p-00934553000P :It works, but the design, finish, and overall quality are seriously :lacking. However, it was only $10 (on sale), so I can't really :complain. :And that is exactly the point. "Cheap" sells. :Harbor Freight started as a guy who imported a container full of cheap :Chinese tools and sold them out of his garage. Walmart, the largest Harbor Freight makes no bones about being cheap. Craftsman, on the other hand, are one of many brands that replaced good quality goods with crap, but still charge the same price they did when they sold good stuff. The set Jeff bought can be had from HF for much less (and very nearly the same stuff, they're both made by Apex for the respective retailers.) HF's good line of tools are actually pretty nice. -- sig 39 |
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John B Slocomb wrote:
:Snap-on is a tool manufacturer that sells top grade tools, and very :expensive tools they are too. They also own at least one company that :makes and sells a cheaper brand. :They guarantee their tools. No. They don't. They pretend to. The actual warranty is crap, and conditional on continuing to spend money with them, and good will with your local pusher. -- sig 40 |
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On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 2:27:07 PM UTC-4, David Scheidt wrote:
John B Slocomb wrote: :Snap-on is a tool manufacturer that sells top grade tools, and very :expensive tools they are too. They also own at least one company that :makes and sells a cheaper brand. :They guarantee their tools. No. They don't. They pretend to. The actual warranty is crap, and conditional on continuing to spend money with them, and good will with your local pusher. -- sig 40 Sounds like PAARK TOOLS when I told them about two tools I had of theirs that broke after little use. When I bought those tools I was told Park had a lifetime warranty. Park told me there was only a limited warranty and those two tools didn't meet it. based on that experience I now look for less expensive tools and tools other than Park. Cheers |
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On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 18:23:57 +0000 (UTC), David Scheidt
wrote: John B Slocomb wrote: :On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 12:04:21 -0700, Jeff Liebermann :wrote: :On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 09:43:46 -0500, AMuzi wrote: : :In 1969 Crafstman were USA forged (by SK if I recall) but :that's all changed now. We use a lot of Snap On which is :deathly expensive but well worth the price for heavily used :items. : :The Craftsman brand is now owned by Stanley Black & Decker. :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craftsman_(tools) :Who owns which tool companies might be useful: :http://toolguyd.com/tool-brands-corporate-affiliations/ : :I recently bought a Craftsman 10 pc 3/8" drive metric socket wrench :set #934554. The box was sealed closed, so I couldn't inspect it :before buying. I wouldn't have bought it had I seen it in advance: :http://www.sears.com/craftsman-10-pc-6-pt-3-8-in-standard/p-00934553000P :It works, but the design, finish, and overall quality are seriously :lacking. However, it was only $10 (on sale), so I can't really :complain. :And that is exactly the point. "Cheap" sells. :Harbor Freight started as a guy who imported a container full of cheap :Chinese tools and sold them out of his garage. Walmart, the largest Harbor Freight makes no bones about being cheap. Craftsman, on the other hand, are one of many brands that replaced good quality goods with crap, but still charge the same price they did when they sold good stuff. The set Jeff bought can be had from HF for much less (and very nearly the same stuff, they're both made by Apex for the respective retailers.) HF's good line of tools are actually pretty nice. Correct. As I said, "Cheap Sells". Walmart is also based on that theory. Back in the day, a man bought a well made, from good cloth, suit and could wear it his whole life. Maybe even pass it down to his son when he died. Now, that was cheap. But that is no longer the style. Buy a $500 suit that he/she can wear for the next 50 years. You're crazy. Better this $0.99 shirt that will have to be replaced by Friday :-) |
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On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 12:16:42 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote: On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 2:27:07 PM UTC-4, David Scheidt wrote: John B Slocomb wrote: :Snap-on is a tool manufacturer that sells top grade tools, and very :expensive tools they are too. They also own at least one company that :makes and sells a cheaper brand. :They guarantee their tools. No. They don't. They pretend to. The actual warranty is crap, and conditional on continuing to spend money with them, and good will with your local pusher. -- sig 40 Sounds like PAARK TOOLS when I told them about two tools I had of theirs that broke after little use. When I bought those tools I was told Park had a lifetime warranty. Park told me there was only a limited warranty and those two tools didn't meet it. based on that experience I now look for less expensive tools and tools other than Park. I've never owned a Part Tool tool as I always thought that they were over priced but I do see a lot of professional shops using their stuff so I've always assumed that it didn't break too often. |
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