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"Earl Bollinger" writes: I use everything to my advantage when it is rush hour with traffic jams and such. I consider sidewalks fair game at certain times of the day or night. Alleys, empty fields, parks, parking lots, construction zones, industrial areas, residential areas, apartment complexes, etc. I am not above using sidewalks to advantage. I'm of the same school of thought. As the baseball dictum says: "Hit 'em where they ain't." But in some cities it is illegal to ride a biccycle on a sidewalk, so that may not be a option in some areas. It's illegal where I live, but that doesn't stop me, and I haven't been hassled for it yet. Of course, I'm talking about fairly desolate inner-city sidewalks, and not downtown ones, teeming with throngs of mid-December Christmas shoppers. There has to be some advantage to using a bicycle besides sitting in traffic jams like all the motorists do. :-) Sure. It's a shame to waste that advantage by trying to turn one's bike into a car just to be servile to drivers (who won't appreciate it anyways.) cheers, Tom -- -- Nothing is safe from me. Above address is just a spam midden. I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca |
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recycled-one wrote:
Finally got to see your nice illustration! http://www.geocities.com/siklelogical/stone.scott.bmp Do you stay in the center lane? [blue arrows] Or transit to the curb lane [red arrows] and then back to the center lane for the second left turn? If it depends on how far the second left is, then how far is that? Stay blue. KFC is a fairly narrow frontage, and for all the overtaking motorist knows, you could be turning there (although it seems very close to the intersection). Lane position should tell them everything they need to know, and if they don't get it, stick an arm out. (I sometimes offer an abbreviated signal of a finger point; it's just for those who need to see it.) Now, if you were going from the distance of KFC + library times 2 or more, it might be worth turning into the curb lave space, then moving over. Depends on the amount of traffic and how crazy things are at the intersection. HTH --Karen D. from the land of the "Michigan left" |
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"Veloise" wrote in message ups.com... recycled-one wrote: Finally got to see your nice illustration! http://www.geocities.com/siklelogical/stone.scott.bmp Do you stay in the center lane? [blue arrows] Or transit to the curb lane [red arrows] and then back to the center lane for the second left turn? If it depends on how far the second left is, then how far is that? Stay blue. KFC is a fairly narrow frontage, and for all the overtaking motorist knows, you could be turning there (although it seems very close to the intersection). Lane position should tell them everything they need to know, and if they don't get it, stick an arm out. Actually I've compressed it a bit. The KFC frontage is unusually large and the library is really the third plaza entrance with a narrow frontage low rise office entrance between the KFC and library plaza - if that makes any sense. I'd estimate 250 meters tops from the intersection to the library. Gonna have to edit the map. (I sometimes offer an abbreviated signal of a finger point; it's just for those who need to see it.) Now, if you were going from the distance of KFC + library times 2 or more, it might be worth turning into the curb lave space, then moving over. Depends on the amount of traffic and how crazy things are at the intersection. I'm thinking I'll stay in the center. Though when not making another quick left I will still make my turn into the curb lane in one movement. |
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wrote in message oups.com... For anything under about 500m I stay in the left lane. After 500m it becomes a toss-up. The heavier the traffic the more I probably would be inclined to stay in the left lane. There is not need to fight one's way across two lanes of traffic if one does not need to. I estimate 200 meters.from the intersection to the turn. Nice diagram by the way. Thanks. I liked to doodle maps before computers. Now I do it with paint. Of course the beauty of computers is modifying. Its' an iterative process. So in the name of accuracy though still not to scale here is the up-up-updated diagram. http://www.geocities.com/siklelogical/stone.scott.bmp Though we are still outside the higher definition area if you Google Map to Stone Rd. West and Scottsdale Drive Guelph Ontario, that is the intersection in question. |
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If you haven't been run over yet, doing what you're doing, I'd say just
keep doing what you're doing. Its very difficult for someone to explain, _to you_, how you should do something, because they are _not you_ and, whatever you are doing, you need to be comfortable with it. Lewis. **** recycled-one wrote: Assume you are making a left turn from a middle, left-only, lane onto another multi-lane street. How soon do you transit to the curb lane after the turn? Right away as part of the turn? Or as a separate movement from the center lane to the curb? Now assume not far after the left you will be making another left as diagrammed by the purple arrows: http://www.geocities.com/siklelogical/stone.scott.bmp Do you stay in the center lane? [blue arrows] Or transit to the curb lane [red arrows] and then back to the center lane for the second left turn? If it depends on how far the second left is, then how far is that? |
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wrote in message ups.com... If you haven't been run over yet, doing what you're doing, I'd say just keep doing what you're doing. Its very difficult for someone to explain, _to you_, how you should do something, because they are _not you_ and, whatever you are doing, you need to be comfortable with it. I'd hoped to stimulate discussion that wasn't part of crossposted trollery.. If you aren't interested in participating in this particular topic, that's fine. Though to advise that I should do what I think is best and disregard anyone else's advice is....... paradoxical to say the least. |
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On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 10:37:06 -0400, "recycled-one"
wrote: Assume you are making a left turn from a middle, left-only, lane onto another multi-lane street. How soon do you transit to the curb lane after the turn? Right away as part of the turn? Or as a separate movement from the center lane to the curb? Now assume not far after the left you will be making another left as diagrammed by the purple arrows: http://www.geocities.com/siklelogical/stone.scott.bmp Do you stay in the center lane? [blue arrows] Or transit to the curb lane [red arrows] and then back to the center lane for the second left turn? If it depends on how far the second left is, then how far is that? Looking at the map, this is a judgement call situation. The rider will just have to evaluate the traffic levels on both streets, and make choices according to what's possible and what's safe. It's Guelph, not bloody Toronto, so the traffic level isn't likely to be as murderous as it might be, but only the person in the saddle can see and respond to what is there at the time. -- Typoes are a feature, not a bug. Some gardening required to reply via email. Words processed in a facility that contains nuts. |
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"recycled-one" wrote in message ... Assume you are making a left turn from a middle, left-only, lane onto another multi-lane street. How soon do you transit to the curb lane after the turn? Right away as part of the turn? Or as a separate movement from the center lane to the curb? Now assume not far after the left you will be making another left as diagrammed by the purple arrows: http://www.geocities.com/siklelogical/stone.scott.bmp Do you stay in the center lane? [blue arrows] Or transit to the curb lane [red arrows] and then back to the center lane for the second left turn? If it depends on how far the second left is, then how far is that? I have something like that situation at the beginning of my afternoon commute. I turn left shortly after exiting the bike parking area, then left again between 3 and 4 blocks later onto a sidewalk which shortly after becomes a bike path. Until recently, the intermediate street (Michigan St. in Milwaukee) had only modest traffic and I almost always moved immediately to the right lane and then back when I was ready to turn. Recently, though because of construction elsewhere, Michigan St. has become a mad-house, with many more buses and much more auto traffic. More often than not, I still go to the right lane and operate from there. But on a minority of occasions, I may a) take the sidewalk to the right to pass buses; or b) stay in the left lane, which is slow because, inter alia of autos turning left at an intermediate point (I don't mind taking the lane for the 1/4 mile or so involved - as noted, I'm more likely to be slowed than to slow other traffic); or c) take the sidewalk to the left, e.g. when I don't see a lot of pedestrians there, and/or to avoid a red light at my first left turn. So it definitely depends on the situation. |
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