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Old December 2nd 08, 01:26 AM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
Mike Vandeman
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Default Frequently Asked Questions about Michael J. Vandeman, Ph.D.

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:15:37 -0700, wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:12:58 -0800, Mike Vandeman
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:19:06 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
wrote:



http://www.independent.com/news/2007...fensive-logic/

Defensive Logic
By Henry Delgado

Thursday, May 24, 2007

While I have no doubt that Mike Vandeman, PhD, is a well-educated and
reasonable man, I submit that the information he has gleaned from his
associates regarding firearms is woefully inadequate [ "Close
Reading," May 10]. Dr. Vandeman starts out by labeling it
“preposterous” to say that guns are used defensively 2.5 million times
a year. I respectfully refer Dr. Vandeman to a 1993 national survey
report by Gary Kleck, Florida State University criminology professor.
Using a survey sample of 4,977 respondents (the usual survey sample is
in the 600 to 1,600 range), Professor Kleck determined that guns are
used an average of 2.5 million times a year to prevent or defend
against a crime. In 1994, Bill Clinton’s Department of Justice
sponsored a survey titled "Guns in America: National Survey on Private
Ownership and Use of Firearms." They used a smaller sample size than
Kleck, and estimated 1.5 million defensive uses of firearms annually.

It is unfortunate Dr. Vandeman doesn’t know any gun owners. Contrary
to his assertion that a “tiny minority of the population own guns,”
here are the facts for his perusal: There are approximately
300,000,000 people in the U.S. There are approximately 65,000,000 gun
owners in the U.S. That’s about 22 percent of the population.


That only proves that 22% of the population are idiots.

There
are 200 million firearms (65 million-70 million handguns). Firearms
are used for protection by 11 percent of firearms owners (13 percent
of handgun owners). Criminal yearly misuse of firearms is less than
0.2 percent (and less than 0.4 percent for handguns).

I’m confident that Dr. Vandeman will be enlightened by these figures.
I have personally been a participant in defusing a possible crime
because we were armed—but that’s another story.—Henry Delgado


Mike, I agree with so much you advocate including restrictions on ATV
and biking where damage is a problem. Same for "human free" wildlife
areas. But the comments on guns
are way off. How about joining in the work to stabilize population via
strict immigration controls?


Immigration has nothing to do with world population levels. But thanks
for reminding me to tell President Obama to tear down the U.S./Mexico
wall.

ted

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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

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Old December 2nd 08, 02:33 AM posted to alt.mountain-bike
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Default Frequently Asked Questions about Michael J. Vandeman, Ph.D.


"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:15:37 -0700, wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:12:58 -0800, Mike Vandeman
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:19:06 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
wrote:



http://www.independent.com/news/2007...fensive-logic/


Immigration has nothing to do with world population levels. But thanks
for reminding me to tell President Obama to tear down the U.S./Mexico
wall.

\

He will if he thinks he can get s ome votes from it.


--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande



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Old December 2nd 08, 12:22 PM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
Siskuwihane[_2_]
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Default Frequently Asked Questions about Michael J. Vandeman, Ph.D.

On Dec 1, 7:26*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:15:37 -0700, wrote:
On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:12:58 -0800, Mike Vandeman
wrote:


On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:19:06 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
wrote:


http://www.independent.com/news/2007...fensive-logic/


Defensive Logic
By Henry Delgado


Thursday, May 24, 2007


While I have no doubt that Mike Vandeman, PhD, is a well-educated and
reasonable man, I submit that the information he has gleaned from his
associates regarding firearms is woefully inadequate [ "Close
Reading," May 10]. Dr. Vandeman starts out by labeling it
“preposterous” to say that guns are used defensively 2.5 million times
a year. I respectfully refer Dr. Vandeman to a 1993 national survey
report by Gary Kleck, Florida State University criminology professor.
Using a survey sample of 4,977 respondents (the usual survey sample is
in the 600 to 1,600 range), Professor Kleck determined that guns are
used an average of 2.5 million times a year to prevent or defend
against a crime. In 1994, Bill Clinton’s Department of Justice
sponsored a survey titled "Guns in America: National Survey on Private
Ownership and Use of Firearms." They used a smaller sample size than
Kleck, and estimated 1.5 million defensive uses of firearms annually.


It is unfortunate Dr. Vandeman doesn’t know any gun owners. Contrary
to his assertion that a “tiny minority of the population own guns,”
here are the facts for his perusal: There are approximately
300,000,000 people in the U.S. There are approximately 65,000,000 gun
owners in the U.S. That’s about 22 percent of the population.


That only proves that 22% of the population are idiots.


There
are 200 million firearms (65 million-70 million handguns). Firearms
are used for protection by 11 percent of firearms owners (13 percent
of handgun owners). Criminal yearly misuse of firearms is less than
0.2 percent (and less than 0.4 percent for handguns).


I’m confident that Dr. Vandeman will be enlightened by these figures..
I have personally been a participant in defusing a possible crime
because we were armed—but that’s another story.—Henry Delgado


Mike, I agree with so much you advocate including restrictions on ATV
and biking where damage is a problem. Same for "human free" wildlife
areas. But the comments on guns
are way off. How about joining in the work to stabilize population via
strict immigration controls?


Immigration has nothing to do with world population levels. But thanks
for reminding me to tell President Obama to tear down the U.S./Mexico
wall.


Even a 4 year old child knows that he was talking about the population
levels in the US, DUH!

 




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