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On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 07:37:29 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote: On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 13:54:45 +0700, John B. wrote: On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 06:19:05 -0000 (UTC), news18 wrote: On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 15:39:42 -0700, Andre Jute wrote: You're such a cynic, Jeff. The promoters will love you. What about the pilote's life and limbs? All the same, what you describe is basically what the Wright Bros did a century ago. I recently read an excellent short biography of them by David McCullough, and they started out as a bicycle mechanics and designers and makers. Of course, they had to invent the aero-surfaces as they went. I especially like the simplicity of their flex-wing. Is there any one on this group who didn't know that? It was definitly part of australian school education, including the fact that they didn't invent anything, but simply merger a light engine to a kite airframe, which is itself wasn't that unusual at the time. P.S. if you'd pay attentin at school, you'd have also heard of Lawrence Hargreavesm and his "kits" that predated the wright Brothers. Newspaper did cross the Pacific, both ways in those days. Actually they designed and built the engine as there wasn't anything that they felt light enough to use. Said to be the first engine to have an aluminum crankcase :-) I didn't know that bit. I believe the problem allthe interesed tinkers of the time was finding a light enough engine to make ay significant flight possible. In any case, I know the fact that the wright Bros were bicycle mechanics has been mentioned in a couple of modernish movies, but you have tgo bbe sure of taking anything in movies as historical fact. Well, it seems to be common knowledge that they were "bicycle mechanics" in that they did manufacture bicycles. Prior to that they had built their own printing press and published a newspaper. What may have been their major contribution to flying was to envision and build a three axis control system. Lilienthal, for example didn't crash because his glider stopped flying but because he was unable to adequately control it because control of gliders were, at time, a matter of shifting the "pilot's" weight. -- cheers, John B. |
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On 10/26/2019 1:19 AM, news18 wrote:
On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 15:39:42 -0700, Andre Jute wrote: You're such a cynic, Jeff. The promoters will love you. What about the pilote's life and limbs? All the same, what you describe is basically what the Wright Bros did a century ago. I recently read an excellent short biography of them by David McCullough, and they started out as a bicycle mechanics and designers and makers. Of course, they had to invent the aero-surfaces as they went. I especially like the simplicity of their flex-wing. Is there any one on this group who didn't know that? It was definitly part of australian school education, including the fact that they didn't invent anything, but simply merger a light engine to a kite airframe, which is itself wasn't that unusual at the time. P.S. if you'd pay attentin at school, you'd have also heard of Lawrence Hargreavesm and his "kits" that predated the wright Brothers. Newspaper did cross the Pacific, both ways in those days. Their breakthroughs were in making a wind tunnel and testing airfoil sections then developing the wing twist mechanism for control while airborne. BTW having calculated required power and weight limit for the engine, no such unit could be found so they designed and built their own. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On 10/26/2019 2:37 AM, news18 wrote:
On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 13:54:45 +0700, John B. wrote: On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 06:19:05 -0000 (UTC), news18 wrote: On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 15:39:42 -0700, Andre Jute wrote: You're such a cynic, Jeff. The promoters will love you. What about the pilote's life and limbs? All the same, what you describe is basically what the Wright Bros did a century ago. I recently read an excellent short biography of them by David McCullough, and they started out as a bicycle mechanics and designers and makers. Of course, they had to invent the aero-surfaces as they went. I especially like the simplicity of their flex-wing. Is there any one on this group who didn't know that? It was definitly part of australian school education, including the fact that they didn't invent anything, but simply merger a light engine to a kite airframe, which is itself wasn't that unusual at the time. P.S. if you'd pay attentin at school, you'd have also heard of Lawrence Hargreavesm and his "kits" that predated the wright Brothers. Newspaper did cross the Pacific, both ways in those days. Actually they designed and built the engine as there wasn't anything that they felt light enough to use. Said to be the first engine to have an aluminum crankcase :-) I didn't know that bit. I believe the problem allthe interesed tinkers of the time was finding a light enough engine to make ay significant flight possible. In any case, I know the fact that the wright Bros were bicycle mechanics has been mentioned in a couple of modernish movies, but you have tgo bbe sure of taking anything in movies as historical fact. movies. pffft. Excellent biographies abound. Despite their early achievements, their ridiculous harassment of Glen Curtis and others in patent suits stymied aero development for a good long while. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Saturday, October 26, 2019 at 8:42:57 AM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/26/2019 1:19 AM, news18 wrote: On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 15:39:42 -0700, Andre Jute wrote: You're such a cynic, Jeff. The promoters will love you. What about the pilote's life and limbs? All the same, what you describe is basically what the Wright Bros did a century ago. I recently read an excellent short biography of them by David McCullough, and they started out as a bicycle mechanics and designers and makers. Of course, they had to invent the aero-surfaces as they went. I especially like the simplicity of their flex-wing. Is there any one on this group who didn't know that? It was definitly part of australian school education, including the fact that they didn't invent anything, but simply merger a light engine to a kite airframe, which is itself wasn't that unusual at the time. P.S. if you'd pay attentin at school, you'd have also heard of Lawrence Hargreavesm and his "kits" that predated the wright Brothers. Newspaper did cross the Pacific, both ways in those days. Their breakthroughs were in making a wind tunnel and testing airfoil sections then developing the wing twist mechanism for control while airborne. BTW having calculated required power and weight limit for the engine, no such unit could be found so they designed and built their own. +1 And McCullough's biography was interesting, but woefully short of good technical information. It could have been a lot more interesting, IMO. - Frank Krygowski |
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On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 07:46:24 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/26/2019 2:37 AM, news18 wrote: In any case, I know the fact that the wright Bros were bicycle mechanics has been mentioned in a couple of modernish movies, but you have tgo bbe sure of taking anything in movies as historical fact. movies. pffft. Exactly, they are something we use for vege out time when SWMBO'd is waiting for the local library to bring in here latest request. Excellent biographies abound. but is someone view ":giddens/Gibbon or whomever, as have written everything about the history of the world, then they will hardly read a biography, except a hagiography. Despite their early achievements, their ridiculous harassment of Glen Curtis and others in patent suits stymied aero development for a good long while. The dark side of patents and why nothing should be patented unless is can be demonstrated in full working physical form. |
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On Saturday, October 26, 2019 at 1:46:23 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
Of the Wright Bros: Despite their early achievements, their ridiculous harassment of Glen Curtis and others in patent suits stymied aero development for a good long while. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 The Smithsonian played the same destructive role in that saga that in our own time the NAS played in the hugely expensive and destruct Hockey Stick Fraud by the Global Warmie Michael Mann (who, among other things, falsely claimed to be a Nobel laureate!). Ande Jute Sometimes I wonder which of our institutions you can trust |
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On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 19:34:08 -0700, Andre Jute wrote:
On Saturday, October 26, 2019 at 1:46:23 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote: Of the Wright Bros: Despite their early achievements, their ridiculous harassment of Glen Curtis and others in patent suits stymied aero development for a good long while. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 The Smithsonian played the same destructive role in that saga that in our own time the NAS played in the hugely expensive and destruct Hockey Stick Fraud by the Global Warmie Michael Mann (who, among other things, falsely claimed to be a Nobel laureate!). Ande Jute Sometimes I wonder which of our institutions you can trust Given that we can not trust you to make a true statement, who cares what you think. Funny on how the internet can not cought up one clear unequical point of evidence that Mann ever made such a claim. Plenty of cases, by various nut cases, that twist a mention that he was a contributor that led to he IPCC wining a Nobel, into somehow claiming that he made such a claim. It seems that people who criticise Mann clearly have no understanding of mathematics. |
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On Sunday, October 27, 2019 at 6:53:39 AM UTC, the thief Peter Howard wrote:
On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 19:34:08 -0700, Andre Jute wrote: On Saturday, October 26, 2019 at 1:46:23 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote: Of the Wright Bros: Despite their early achievements, their ridiculous harassment of Glen Curtis and others in patent suits stymied aero development for a good long while. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 The Smithsonian played the same destructive role in that saga that in our own time the NAS played in the hugely expensive and destruct Hockey Stick Fraud by the Global Warmie Michael Mann (who, among other things, falsely claimed to be a Nobel laureate!). Andre Jute Sometimes I wonder which of our institutions you can trust Given that we can not trust you to make a true statement, who cares what you think. Oh, dear! Your little feelings are hurt again. Funny on how the internet can not cought up one clear unequical point of evidence that Mann ever made such a claim Really? According to a press release by Michael Mann himself, speaking of himself in the third person, reprinted October 23, 2012 on his own Facebook account by Mann himself: "Dr. Mann ... was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize". https://www.facebook.com/MichaelMann...37351706321037 And you claim to be unable to find Michael Mann's Facebook account; just what sort of a slack global warmie are you? Geir Lundestad, director of the Nobel Institute in Oslo: "Michael Mann has never been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize." Now why do you think it was necessary for Mr Lundestad to make such a statement if Mann is innocent of claiming falsely to have been awarded the Nobel Prize. You're wanking, sonny. Let's see that "monkey see nutting" claim of yours again: Funny on how the internet can not cought up one clear unequical point of evidence that Mann ever made such a claim Really? You must be even thicker than Slow Johnny if you cannot find, for instance, where Michael Mann invented the brand new crime of "defamation of a Nobel Prize recipient." https://legaltimes.typepad.com/files...-complaint.pdf Paragraph 2: "Dr Mann ... awarded the Nobel Peace Prize" Paragraph 5: "defamation of a Nobel Prize recipient." Paragraph 17: "Dr Mann shared the Nobel Peace Prize" Those are Washington DC Supreme Court documents. When pants-on-fire Pauchari, the chairman of the IPCC until it came out he was a serial molester, was told by the Nobel committee to stop Mann disgracing himself and them with his claim to be a Nobel Prize winner, Mann had to alter his plea to remove his lying claim to be a Nobel Prize recipient. Embarrassing, to say the least. Plenty of cases, by various nut cases, Geir Lundestad, director of the Nobel Institute in Oslo, is a nut case because he won't turn a blind eye to your hero's lies? that twist a mention that he was a contributor that led to he IPCC wining a Nobel, into somehow claiming that he made such a claim. The court document says you're lying again. Mann claimed, to a court, that he was a Nobel Prize winner: Paragraph 2: "Dr Mann ... awarded the Nobel Peace Prize" Paragraph 5: "defamation of a Nobel Prize recipient." Paragraph 17: "Dr Mann shared the Nobel Peace Prize" It seems that people who criticise Mann clearly have no understanding of mathematics. Once again, really? You're stumbling around in the dark with your dick in your hand, you poor little man. Dr Wegner, who attested under oath before Congress that Mann was a statistical moron who got everything wrong, is the greatest living statistician, past president of this that and the other at the NAS and elsewhere. Dr North, specifically appointed by the NAS to "defend" Mann before Congress, under oath before Congress, had to agree with Wegner that Mann got his numbers all wrong, and so did every individual member of North's Panel. Steve McIntyre, who exposed Mann's lies, spent his life on geological statistics, and got rich out of it. Mann is in any event not a statistician, or a mathematician of any kind: he is a dendrochronologist, and a very bad one at that. Dr Wegner not only damned Mann's crooked way with numbers forever (Dr North, under oath, concurring), but added that everyone knows that the strip bark tree, the "evidence" of which Mann counted a 160 times because they showed a hockey stick, should not be used in forecasting -- guess what -- Dr North, under oath, concurring. Finally, the killer stroke: Steve McIntyre then proved that pink noise "analysed" the wrong way, the way Mann did it, would also throw up as many hockey sticks as anyone could possibly want. Without the hockey stick, no manmade global warming, because the Medieval Optimum and the Little Ice Age demonstrate that we're living in cool times, just coming out of an Ice Age, and thus the whole Global Warming Hoax falls apart. The hoaxer Michael Mann is more responsible than anyone else on earth for ensuring that President Trump got away with it when he walked out of the Paris mutual masturbation of the global warmies, and thereby killed the hoax for good, which is what makes you, among others, so hysterical about it. So don't give me **** about people who diss that blustering idiot Mann not understanding mathematics, you gullible clown. They diss that blistering idiot Mann precisely because they understand mathematics. Andre Jute There's more where that came from. It appears I know your hero better than you do. |
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On Saturday, October 26, 2019 at 11:53:39 PM UTC-7, news18 wrote:
On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 19:34:08 -0700, Andre Jute wrote: On Saturday, October 26, 2019 at 1:46:23 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote: Of the Wright Bros: Despite their early achievements, their ridiculous harassment of Glen Curtis and others in patent suits stymied aero development for a good long while. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 The Smithsonian played the same destructive role in that saga that in our own time the NAS played in the hugely expensive and destruct Hockey Stick Fraud by the Global Warmie Michael Mann (who, among other things, falsely claimed to be a Nobel laureate!). Ande Jute Sometimes I wonder which of our institutions you can trust Given that we can not trust you to make a true statement, who cares what you think. Funny on how the internet can not cought up one clear unequical point of evidence that Mann ever made such a claim. Plenty of cases, by various nut cases, that twist a mention that he was a contributor that led to he IPCC wining a Nobel, into somehow claiming that he made such a claim. It seems that people who criticise Mann clearly have no understanding of mathematics. On yet another day you show your inability to look it up because Dr. Michael Mann MADE THAT CLAIM IN OF ALL PLACES A LAWSUIT IN CANADA. https://www.steynonline.com/5264/the...nobel-laureate Tell us you POS - does the fact that there is no climate change really set you off? |
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On Sunday, October 27, 2019 at 4:34:54 PM UTC, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Saturday, October 26, 2019 at 11:53:39 PM UTC-7, news18 wrote: On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 19:34:08 -0700, Andre Jute wrote: On Saturday, October 26, 2019 at 1:46:23 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote: Of the Wright Bros: Despite their early achievements, their ridiculous harassment of Glen Curtis and others in patent suits stymied aero development for a good long while. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 The Smithsonian played the same destructive role in that saga that in our own time the NAS played in the hugely expensive and destruct Hockey Stick Fraud by the Global Warmie Michael Mann (who, among other things, falsely claimed to be a Nobel laureate!). Ande Jute Sometimes I wonder which of our institutions you can trust Given that we can not trust you to make a true statement, who cares what you think. Funny on how the internet can not cought up one clear unequical point of evidence that Mann ever made such a claim. Plenty of cases, by various nut cases, that twist a mention that he was a contributor that led to he IPCC wining a Nobel, into somehow claiming that he made such a claim. It seems that people who criticise Mann clearly have no understanding of mathematics. On yet another day you show your inability to look it up because Dr. Michael Mann MADE THAT CLAIM IN OF ALL PLACES A LAWSUIT IN CANADA. https://www.steynonline.com/5264/the...nobel-laureate Tell us you POS - does the fact that there is no climate change really set you off? Michael Mann is a rotten "scientist" but one thing he is good at is lawfare.. He sues people for libel, then delays for years and yearsk to run them out of money, and the rotten American judicial system only encourages him, despite the SLAPP laws. Mann lost the Canadian case when the judge threw it out because of his delays, and ordered Mann as the retarder-in-chief to pay about half a million dollars in the other party's costs. Andre Jute Makes you wonder if Michael Mann receives the money for all these lawsuits from George Soros or direct from the wind-farmers' lobby |
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