Speaking of Women's Sport....

In article
,
Henry wrote:

On Aug 24, 3:01*pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
Henry wrote:

I hope Caster Semenya is vindicated and not a cheat. His/her life must
already be full of a lot of stress from the narrow minded.

So what do you do it he/she has both genes? Riding with men is almost
impossible if he/she doesn't have fully functioning testes, and yet with
even partially developed testes he/she would have a significant advantage on
100% women.

It isn't that I don't feel for the person but there has to be some sort of
limits.

it's an issue of fairness. But also a test of our ability to accept
things outside the norm.

Henry, no it's not. Thus my crack about "women's class and open class."

The reality is that what the IAAF is trying to decide is whether Ms.
Semenya is sufficiently physiologically female that "baseline" (my
description) women have a chance of competing with her or not.

Depending on the results of that decision, she will be allowed to
compete as either a woman or a man (or more precisely, as I point out,
in the open class, where no sex testing is needed).

Ms. Semenya's ugly problem is that she's either a world-class athlete in
the women's class, or an not-world-class athlete when racing against men.

There are lots of cynical spins available on the facts of the matter,
but none of them address the question of "why do we have a separate
category for women?"

--
Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 04:05:00 GMT, Ryan Cousineau
wrote:

There are lots of cynical spins available on the facts of the matter,
but none of them address the question of "why do we have a separate
category for women?"

Because if we don't, we won't have women participating as much in
sports.

Ryan Cousineau wrote:
Ms. Semenya's ugly problem

Heh.

Henry wrote:
On Aug 24, 3:01 pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
Henry wrote:

I hope Caster Semenya is vindicated and not a cheat. His/her life
must already be full of a lot of stress from the narrow minded.

So what do you do it he/she has both genes? Riding with men is almost
impossible if he/she doesn't have fully functioning testes, and yet
with even partially developed testes he/she would have a significant
advantage on 100% women.

It isn't that I don't feel for the person but there has to be some
sort of limits.

it's an issue of fairness. But also a test of our ability to accept
things outside the norm.

Henry wrote:
On Aug 24, 3:01 pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
Henry wrote:

I hope Caster Semenya is vindicated and not a cheat. His/her life
must already be full of a lot of stress from the narrow minded.

So what do you do it he/she has both genes? Riding with men is almost
impossible if he/she doesn't have fully functioning testes, and yet
with even partially developed testes he/she would have a significant
advantage on 100% women.

It isn't that I don't feel for the person but there has to be some
sort of limits.

it's an issue of fairness. But also a test of our ability to accept
things outside the norm.

Are you suggesting that it would be fair for he/she to compete in women's
races?

Henry wrote:

On Aug 24, 3:01*pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
Henry wrote:

I hope Caster Semenya is vindicated and not a cheat. His/her life must
already be full of a lot of stress from the narrow minded.

So what do you do it he/she has both genes? Riding with men is almost
impossible if he/she doesn't have fully functioning testes, and yet with
even partially developed testes he/she would have a significant advantage on
100% women.

It isn't that I don't feel for the person but there has to be some sort of
limits.

it's an issue of fairness. But also a test of our ability to accept
things outside the norm.

The IOC and IAAF don't have to be "fair" - whatever the **** that means. Who
told you they did? What does accepting hermophroditism have to do with allowing
it to run in the women's division?

I think hermophrodites should be allowed to compete - with the men. Then there
will be no controversy.

Thanks,

Magilla

On Aug 24, 11:00*am, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Henry wrote:
On Aug 24, 3:01*pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
Henry wrote:

I hope Caster Semenya is vindicated and not a cheat. His/her life must
already be full of a lot of stress from the narrow minded.

So what do you do it he/she has both genes? Riding with men is almost
impossible if he/she doesn't have fully functioning testes, and yet with
even partially developed testes he/she would have a significant advantage on
100% women.

It isn't that I don't feel for the person but there has to be some sort of
limits.

it's an issue of fairness. But also a test of our ability to accept
things outside the norm.

The IOC and IAAF don't have to be "fair" - whatever the **** that means. *Who
told you they did? * What does accepting hermophroditism have to do with allowing
it to run in the women's division?

I think hermophrodites should be allowed to compete - with the men. *Then there
will be no controversy.

Thanks,

Magilla- Hide quoted text -

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What I really can't believe is that you haven't commented on Caster
Semenya's last name.

Brad Anders

On Aug 25, 2:00*am, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
Henry wrote:
On Aug 24, 3:01 pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
Henry wrote:

I hope Caster Semenya is vindicated and not a cheat. His/her life
must already be full of a lot of stress from the narrow minded.

So what do you do it he/she has both genes? Riding with men is almost
impossible if he/she doesn't have fully functioning testes, and yet
with even partially developed testes he/she would have a significant
advantage on 100% women.

It isn't that I don't feel for the person but there has to be some
sort of limits.

it's an issue of fairness. But also a test of our ability to accept
things outside the norm.

Are you suggesting that it would be fair for he/she to compete in women's
races?

I'm suggesting I know jack-sh*t about a very complex issue.
I wouldn't want to live in his/her (that's getting a bit boring) shoes.

On Aug 24, 4:05*pm, Ryan Cousineau wrote:
In article
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*Henry wrote:
On Aug 24, 3:01*pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
Henry wrote:

I hope Caster Semenya is vindicated and not a cheat. His/her life must
already be full of a lot of stress from the narrow minded.

So what do you do it he/she has both genes? Riding with men is almost
impossible if he/she doesn't have fully functioning testes, and yet with
even partially developed testes he/she would have a significant advantage on
100% women.

It isn't that I don't feel for the person but there has to be some sort of
limits.

it's an issue of fairness. But also a test of our ability to accept
things outside the norm.

Henry, no it's not. Thus my crack about "women's class and open class."

The reality is that what the IAAF is trying to decide is whether Ms.
Semenya is sufficiently physiologically female that "baseline" (my
description) women have a chance of competing with her or not.

Depending on the results of that decision, she will be allowed to
compete as either a woman or a man (or more precisely, as I point out,
in the open class, where no sex testing is needed).

Ms. Semenya's ugly problem is that she's either a world-class athlete in
the women's class, or an not-world-class athlete when racing against men.

There are lots of cynical spins available on the facts of the matter,
but none of them address the question of "why do we have a separate
category for women?"

--
Ryan Cousineau /
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

why have separate categories for anything ? Do you race ?
AFAIK the only international level sport when everyone is in it
together is the horse events. Maybe she could switch over ?

In article ,
Johnny Twelve-Point presented by JFT wrote:

On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 04:05:00 GMT, Ryan Cousineau
wrote:

There are lots of cynical spins available on the facts of the matter,
but none of them address the question of "why do we have a separate
category for women?"

Because if we don't, we won't have women participating as much in
sports.

I think this is much of the answer. I think it plays into the rest of my
philosophy about who gets to be in the women's races.

--
Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."