State your opinion on COVID-19

On Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 5:57:46 AM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 5/14/2020 5:43 AM, wrote:
On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 11:01:47 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
As usual, discussions here have devolved into childish name calling by
some, demeaning published facts and data, quick political jabs,
defensive changes of subjet, and "I know better than anyone" allusions.
Things get obscured.

So I'd like to get a direct answer, especially from Tom and from Andrew.

Tom: Do you really think COVID-19 is no worse than an ordinary seasonal flu?

Andrew: Do you really think COVID-19 is no worse than an ordinary
seasonal flu?

Of course, this is a discussion group. Others are very welcome to give
their opinion too.

BTW, our bike club now has its first member in intensive care on a
ventilator. I consider him a really good friend, one of the guys who
(almost) always came on my night rides. He's much younger than me and
has been a hell of a rider, a daily commuter, fast and high mileage.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Single speed bikes are awesome. Many travelers are unhappy. Cruise ships are cesspools of aaaaameobas and germs. Online outrage. Wear a mask, don't be a turd.

There are some good things coming out of Covid-19 that may have some
long-term staying power. More people on bicycles. The end of the
mega-cruise ships. The end of the Trump presidency. The end of buffets.

More thought about protecting others when you're sick. The U.S. is doing
very poorly in flattening the curve, thanks to Trump, but that problem
will hopefully be over next January.
https://www.endcoronavirus.org/countries?fbclid=IwAR0013xxTB_7bFcOxI0oTJtx5qBnxP4 _7KXYLXlhOUjSk38SwxV2bvo8VSI

If you believe the statistics from the CDC you deserve to catch that virus and die and then discover that you caught it, didn't have any symptoms but are in the statistics of the dead anyway.

On Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 6:01:08 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 9:56:48 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
On 5/13/2020 8:45 AM, wrote:

Can we talk about bicycles in rec.bicycles.tech?

Choose from the following topics:

a) Helmet conspiracy
b) Dynamo lights versus battery powered lights
c) Chain cleaning and lubrication

Cleaned and lubricated them drivetrains. I was bored the other day and removed the crankset. Got it soooo clean. Then the chain and cassette cogs took a bath in the sonic cleaner full of degreaser.

Then I took the SRAM Rival rear derailleur's pulleys and also gave them a sonic bath. Reinstalled everything and lubed it with my namesake. Went for a bike ride on the Chicago city streets since the Lakefront Path is closed (C-19 issues in the city).

The frame is filthy, but the entire drivetrain is so nice and smooth performing.

I spent a couple of hours building up my Madone yesterday and a half hour this morning.

I need to get new BB90 oversize bearings but I have no idea how long it will take before they get here. I'm still waiting for the bearing press but it all fails I'll go down to Home Depot and get a 7/16ths bolt. I have the bits.

I'm also waiting for the proper braze-on to 1 1/8th converter for the front derailleur. Those two things and I'm done and can put the chain on and can go for a ride.

On Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 9:52:36 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 6:01:08 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 9:56:48 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
On 5/13/2020 8:45 AM, wrote:

Can we talk about bicycles in rec.bicycles.tech?

Choose from the following topics:

a) Helmet conspiracy
b) Dynamo lights versus battery powered lights
c) Chain cleaning and lubrication

Cleaned and lubricated them drivetrains. I was bored the other day and removed the crankset. Got it soooo clean. Then the chain and cassette cogs took a bath in the sonic cleaner full of degreaser.

Then I took the SRAM Rival rear derailleur's pulleys and also gave them a sonic bath. Reinstalled everything and lubed it with my namesake. Went for a bike ride on the Chicago city streets since the Lakefront Path is closed (C-19 issues in the city).

The frame is filthy, but the entire drivetrain is so nice and smooth performing.

I spent a couple of hours building up my Madone yesterday and a half hour this morning.

I need to get new BB90 oversize bearings but I have no idea how long it will take before they get here. I'm still waiting for the bearing press but it all fails I'll go down to Home Depot and get a 7/16ths bolt. I have the bits.

I'm also waiting for the proper braze-on to 1 1/8th converter for the front derailleur. Those two things and I'm done and can put the chain on and can go for a ride.

Where did you order the BB90 bearings from? I lucked out with https://wheelsmfg.com/bottom-bracket...-bb-black.html I decided to make my PF30 KUMA Montrose use a BB30. The stuff I need arrives today.

Your Madone seems like a nice build.

On Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 9:11:30 AM UTC-5, Radey Shouman wrote:
jbeattie writes:

On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 7:56:48 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 5/13/2020 8:45 AM, wrote:

Can we talk about bicycles in rec.bicycles.tech?

Choose from the following topics:

a) Helmet conspiracy
b) Dynamo lights versus battery powered lights
c) Chain cleaning and lubrication

Don't get me going on battery powered helmet lights. Gads, those are
blinding on a MUP/cycletrack -- right at eye level. I'd like to whack
those people with a waxy chain. And its always the guys with like six
lights, and they're always in places where you could get by with no
light at all.

Seems to me the real problem is that they are on all the time, when they
should be activated only when really needed. We need a hands free
interface -- maybe wiggling the ears should turn them on momentarily, or
blinking the left eye in a Morse code SOS.

yes, like Iron Man's helmet. He just thinks a command and it closes on his face. I tried that with a toaster, and I still have to push down on the lever to turn the magical bread slices into toast.

On 5/14/2020 9:22 AM, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 9:26:42 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 10:57:24 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 8:45:35 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 11:01:47 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
As usual, discussions here have devolved into childish name calling by
some, demeaning published facts and data, quick political jabs,
defensive changes of subjet, and "I know better than anyone" allusions.
Things get obscured.

So I'd like to get a direct answer, especially from Tom and from Andrew.

Tom: Do you really think COVID-19 is no worse than an ordinary seasonal flu?

Andrew: Do you really think COVID-19 is no worse than an ordinary
seasonal flu?

Of course, this is a discussion group. Others are very welcome to give
their opinion too.

BTW, our bike club now has its first member in intensive care on a
ventilator. I consider him a really good friend, one of the guys who
(almost) always came on my night rides. He's much younger than me and
has been a hell of a rider, a daily commuter, fast and high mileage.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Can we talk about bicycles in rec.bicycles.tech?

Ernest, this is, after all, a labeled discussion. But you're quite correct. We should be talking about bicycles.tech but no one appears to be interested in that.

I write a piece about something related to bicycles and technical aspects and they immediately use that as a jumping off point for political discussions.

True. My 2cents. My significan other is a vascular surgeon. C-19 ir real. She's had two patients die from C-19. All her patients have tested positive. Luckily for us, she's tested negative.

We ride bicycles.

The grandmother of one of my wife's "church ladies" is 101, tests positive and has no symptoms. This implies that the disease isn't the problem but the immune system response. I have been looking at prospective studies and I cannot see any that are looking at human response rather than covid-19 as some sort of boogeyman.

One of the medical Universities just released a study saying that hydroxychloroquine and zinc plus an antibiotic to prevent secondary lung infections significantly reduced the severity and length of illness. This was also the case with the French study.

I do not believe that using an anti-viral drug is a good practice except in extreme cases.


I don't know that either, some research indicates yes, some
ineffective. There are a very wide range of antivirals now
so that's not surprising.

Meanwhile:
https://www.barrons.com/news/zinc-hy...147f181987fd93

As I noted here weeks ago when I first read it, some people
react violently to this virus and for some of that subset of
infected humans, hydroxycholroquine can buy time (where
death is otherwise minutes or hours away) while the
subject's immune system and/or other therapies may work
against the actual infection. Hydroxychloroquine merely
suppresses a severe immune response, doesn't attack the
virus directly. It's more like epinephrine for an allergic
bee sting victim than a blast of penicillin for an STD.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 10:35:54 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/14/2020 9:22 AM, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 9:26:42 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 10:57:24 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 8:45:35 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 11:01:47 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
As usual, discussions here have devolved into childish name calling by
some, demeaning published facts and data, quick political jabs,
defensive changes of subjet, and "I know better than anyone" allusions.
Things get obscured.

So I'd like to get a direct answer, especially from Tom and from Andrew.

Tom: Do you really think COVID-19 is no worse than an ordinary seasonal flu?

Andrew: Do you really think COVID-19 is no worse than an ordinary
seasonal flu?

Of course, this is a discussion group. Others are very welcome to give
their opinion too.

BTW, our bike club now has its first member in intensive care on a
ventilator. I consider him a really good friend, one of the guys who
(almost) always came on my night rides. He's much younger than me and
has been a hell of a rider, a daily commuter, fast and high mileage..

--
- Frank Krygowski

Can we talk about bicycles in rec.bicycles.tech?

Ernest, this is, after all, a labeled discussion. But you're quite correct. We should be talking about bicycles.tech but no one appears to be interested in that.

I write a piece about something related to bicycles and technical aspects and they immediately use that as a jumping off point for political discussions.

True. My 2cents. My significan other is a vascular surgeon. C-19 ir real. She's had two patients die from C-19. All her patients have tested positive. Luckily for us, she's tested negative.

We ride bicycles.

The grandmother of one of my wife's "church ladies" is 101, tests positive and has no symptoms. This implies that the disease isn't the problem but the immune system response. I have been looking at prospective studies and I cannot see any that are looking at human response rather than covid-19 as some sort of boogeyman.

One of the medical Universities just released a study saying that hydroxychloroquine and zinc plus an antibiotic to prevent secondary lung infections significantly reduced the severity and length of illness. This was also the case with the French study.

I do not believe that using an anti-viral drug is a good practice except in extreme cases.


I don't know that either, some research indicates yes, some
ineffective. There are a very wide range of antivirals now
so that's not surprising.

Meanwhile:
https://www.barrons.com/news/zinc-hy...147f181987fd93

As I noted here weeks ago when I first read it, some people
react violently to this virus and for some of that subset of
infected humans, hydroxycholroquine can buy time (where
death is otherwise minutes or hours away) while the
subject's immune system and/or other therapies may work
against the actual infection. Hydroxychloroquine merely
suppresses a severe immune response, doesn't attack the
virus directly. It's more like epinephrine for an allergic
bee sting victim than a blast of penicillin for an STD.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

You're the owner of Yellow Jersey in Madison?

On 5/14/2020 11:07 AM, wrote:
On Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 9:11:30 AM UTC-5, Radey Shouman wrote:
jbeattie writes:

On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 7:56:48 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 5/13/2020 8:45 AM, wrote:

Can we talk about bicycles in rec.bicycles.tech?

Choose from the following topics:

a) Helmet conspiracy
b) Dynamo lights versus battery powered lights
c) Chain cleaning and lubrication

Don't get me going on battery powered helmet lights. Gads, those are
blinding on a MUP/cycletrack -- right at eye level. I'd like to whack
those people with a waxy chain. And its always the guys with like six
lights, and they're always in places where you could get by with no
light at all.

Seems to me the real problem is that they are on all the time, when they
should be activated only when really needed. We need a hands free
interface -- maybe wiggling the ears should turn them on momentarily, or
blinking the left eye in a Morse code SOS.

yes, like Iron Man's helmet. He just thinks a command and it closes on his face. I tried that with a toaster, and I still have to push down on the lever to turn the magical bread slices into toast.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/adamanteum/3797363014

--
- Frank Krygowski

Am 14.05.2020 um 17:35 schrieb AMuzi:
On 5/14/2020 9:22 AM, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 9:26:42 AM UTC-7,
wrote:
On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 10:57:24 AM UTC-5,
wrote:
On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 8:45:35 AM UTC-7,
wrote:
On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 11:01:47 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

The grandmother of one of my wife's "church ladies" is 101, tests
positive and has no symptoms. This implies that the disease isn't the
problem but the immune system response. I have been looking at
prospective studies and I cannot see any that are looking at human
response rather than covid-19 as some sort of boogeyman.

One of the medical Universities just released a study saying that
hydroxychloroquine and zinc plus an antibiotic to prevent secondary
lung infections significantly reduced the severity and length of
illness. This was also the case with the French study.

I do not believe that using an anti-viral drug is a good practice
except in extreme cases.


I don't know that either, some research indicates yes, some ineffective.
There are a very wide range of antivirals now so that's not surprising.

Meanwhile:
https://www.barrons.com/news/zinc-hy...147f181987fd93

As I noted here weeks ago when I first read it, some people react
violently to this virus and for some of that subset of infected humans,
hydroxycholroquine can buy time (where death is otherwise minutes or
hours away) while the subject's immune system and/or other therapies may
work against the actual infection.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...evere-covid-19

It looks like hydroxycholroquine gives more harm than benefit, which is
why it is often more meaningful to test a few hundred patients first
before rolling out a tretment to the millions.

On 5/14/2020 10:30 AM, wrote:

Sepp, average is average and not specific. Moreover, the statistics from the CDC are now completely and totally useless. Just last night the CDC admitted to marking people killed in a gunfight as covid-19 deaths.

Do you have a citation or link for that claim? Other than the voices in
your head, that is?


--
- Frank Krygowski

On Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 11:02:31 AM UTC-5, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 14.05.2020 um 17:35 schrieb AMuzi:
On 5/14/2020 9:22 AM, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 9:26:42 AM UTC-7,
wrote:
On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 10:57:24 AM UTC-5,
wrote:
On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 8:45:35 AM UTC-7,
wrote:
On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 11:01:47 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

The grandmother of one of my wife's "church ladies" is 101, tests
positive and has no symptoms. This implies that the disease isn't the
problem but the immune system response. I have been looking at
prospective studies and I cannot see any that are looking at human
response rather than covid-19 as some sort of boogeyman.

One of the medical Universities just released a study saying that
hydroxychloroquine and zinc plus an antibiotic to prevent secondary
lung infections significantly reduced the severity and length of
illness. This was also the case with the French study.

I do not believe that using an anti-viral drug is a good practice
except in extreme cases.


I don't know that either, some research indicates yes, some ineffective.
There are a very wide range of antivirals now so that's not surprising.

Meanwhile:
https://www.barrons.com/news/zinc-hy...147f181987fd93

As I noted here weeks ago when I first read it, some people react
violently to this virus and for some of that subset of infected humans,
hydroxycholroquine can buy time (where death is otherwise minutes or
hours away) while the subject's immune system and/or other therapies may
work against the actual infection.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...evere-covid-19

It looks like hydroxycholroquine gives more harm than benefit, which is
why it is often more meaningful to test a few hundred patients first
before rolling out a tretment to the millions.

LOL! I forgot about that comic strip!