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2003 Gary Fisher Big Sur or Trek 8000
Jeff Edelen wrote:
jem wrote: Had my Fuel 80 for two years. I did have problems early on with a crappy seat and a chainring that bent, both of which the dealer made better at no cost to me. Since then I've had no problems and absolutley love the ride. Guess that makes me another of the millions of statistical anomolies. How much over two hundred pounds do you weigh? -Jeff Unfortunately about 30. |
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2003 Gary Fisher Big Sur or Trek 8000
Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
On 2004-07-03, Zilla penned: I'm 185-190 lbs and have had my Trek Fuel 90 for 3 yrs, avg. riding 3-4 times a week 1-1.5 hrs each ride. I've never paid attention to dew commercials either. It's worked for me. I don't know, or care, if it'll work for any one else. Nor do I care if what works for anyone will work for me. ... but I'm 100% sure that JD tackles trails (if you can even call them that) far more brutal than I'm likely to try in the next several years. And if/when you/I do that then yes cookie cutter bikes may not cut it. then again, I've been thinking it might be interesting (educational, anyway) to go hard tail ... -- monique Set up an SS. Ironically, JD suggested this 1.5-2 yrs. ago when I asked what second bike I should get. Credit when and where credit is due. -- - Zilla Cary, NC (Remove XSPAM) |
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2003 Gary Fisher Big Sur or Trek 8000
I've been knocking myself out, but if you took the time to read this you
could at least offer some useful advice. KR P.S. - This is by far the most amount of reply posts I've ever gotten to a Usenet post while still providing the least amount of useful information. Is this typical of this group? "JD" wrote in message om... "KR" wrote in message ... That's fine to tell me that I'm picking wrong, but how it doesn't really help me unless you tell me what I should buy and why? KR I'm saying they will fall apart under regular use by someone over two hundred pounds. My guess would be the wheels and/or freehub would fail first. The replacement of componentry will nickel and dime you to the point you wished you had bought a good bike. Both of those frames (as are most cookie-cutter frames) are designed and built cheaply because the manufacturers figure most of the "mountain bikes" they sell will not be used regularly. They bank on the fact that some dipstick is going to see a mt dew commercial, buy their bike, ride it once and then find out it's not as easy as it looks, so they put the bike in the garage or on eBay. Those bikes that do get used are factored in as a loss when they eventually get replaced under warranty. It's "business", which sucks because they (especially trek and fisher) sell bikes that are underdesigned and underbuilt for regular use by those who really want to mountain bike. How does waiting for a warranty replacement sound when the weather and trails are perfect? JD It's not too hard to figure out, so knock yourself out. JD |
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2003 Gary Fisher Big Sur or Trek 8000
KR says:
I've been knocking myself out, but if you took the time to read this you could at least offer some useful advice. SOme has been offered. In JD's opinion (take it or leave it) neither is suitable. P.S. - This is by far the most amount of reply posts I've ever gotten to a Usenet post while still providing the least amount of useful information. Is this typical of this group? Sometimes ;-) As far as recommending a ride, most here will be wary of doing so, on the basis that sometimes the buyer will take the advice, find out he doesn't like the bike, and then bitch and moan for years afterward about the ****ty advice he got, the money he wasted, etc. Go find an alternative, throw it against the wall, and let's see if it sticks. ;-) Steve |
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2003 Gary Fisher Big Sur or Trek 8000
"Monique Y. Mudama" wrote in message .. .
I can't speak for you, but I'm 100% sure that JD tackles trails (if you can even call them that) far more brutal than I'm likely to try in the next several years. It's not about how "brutal" a trail may be, it's about how well you ride. Hacks will tear up a bicycle on the easiest of trails. Handling skills save a bike just as much as the quality of a bike does. JD |
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2003 Gary Fisher Big Sur or Trek 8000
jem wrote in message r.com...
Jeff Edelen wrote: jem wrote: Had my Fuel 80 for two years. I did have problems early on with a crappy seat and a chainring that bent, both of which the dealer made better at no cost to me. Since then I've had no problems and absolutley love the ride. Guess that makes me another of the millions of statistical anomolies. How much over two hundred pounds do you weigh? -Jeff Unfortunately about 30. You still haven't completed the puzzle. Where do you ride? How often do you ride? How many miles do you put in on an average week on *singletrack*? What kind of conditions do you ride in? Without those answers, your statement makes you much less than a statistical anomaly. I wonder what would happen to that trek if you rode The National on South Mountain three times a week... What do you think Jeff? JD |
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2003 Gary Fisher Big Sur or Trek 8000
On 2004-07-04, JD penned:
"Monique Y. Mudama" wrote in message .. . I can't speak for you, but I'm 100% sure that JD tackles trails (if you can even call them that) far more brutal than I'm likely to try in the next several years. It's not about how "brutal" a trail may be, it's about how well you ride. Hacks will tear up a bicycle on the easiest of trails. Handling skills save a bike just as much as the quality of a bike does. This I believe, not to mention that more experienced riders probably take better care of their bikes between rides, on average. But I've never heard you express this angle on break-prone bikes before. -- monique |
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2003 Gary Fisher Big Sur or Trek 8000
JD wrote:
jem wrote in message r.com... Jeff Edelen wrote: How much over two hundred pounds do you weigh? Unfortunately about 30. You still haven't completed the puzzle. Where do you ride? How often do you ride? How many miles do you put in on an average week on *singletrack*? What kind of conditions do you ride in? Without those answers, your statement makes you much less than a statistical anomaly. I wonder what would happen to that trek if you rode The National on South Mountain three times a week... What do you think Jeff? I was betting on the answer to my question being a negative number. Personally, at 220 lbs, I wouldn't trust a Liquid, much less a Fuel, as my regular-use trail bike. I figure that I'm at least 25% heavier than the "average" rider, and I'm not surprised by the idea that my bike needs to be heavier, too. I also figure that trails like National are somewhat rougher than the average (not to mention low-end FS) XC bikes are designed to tackle. I'll stick with my SuperMoto for rougher trail riding. For XC, I really like my 1FG. -Jeff |
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2003 Gary Fisher Big Sur or Trek 8000
Jeff Edelen wrote in message news:Qq3Gc.28574$WI2.755@lakeread05...
JD wrote: jem wrote in message r.com... Jeff Edelen wrote: How much over two hundred pounds do you weigh? Unfortunately about 30. You still haven't completed the puzzle. Where do you ride? How often do you ride? How many miles do you put in on an average week on *singletrack*? What kind of conditions do you ride in? Without those answers, your statement makes you much less than a statistical anomaly. I wonder what would happen to that trek if you rode The National on South Mountain three times a week... What do you think Jeff? I was betting on the answer to my question being a negative number. Personally, at 220 lbs, I wouldn't trust a Liquid, much less a Fuel, as my regular-use trail bike. I figure that I'm at least 25% heavier than the "average" rider, and I'm not surprised by the idea that my bike needs to be heavier, too. I also figure that trails like National are somewhat rougher than the average (not to mention low-end FS) XC bikes are designed to tackle. I'll stick with my SuperMoto for rougher trail riding. For XC, I really like my 1FG. Not neccessarily true on having a *heavier* bike for rougher trails. I've ridden my 23lb singlespeed all over and I've only broken a few components on it. The frame is still going strong after over four years. A good xc frame will stand up to regular use, even if you push the limits and are't jumping off of crap over 3'. My Edge FS is still going strong as well after 3 1/2 years and it only weighs 28 lbs. I'd break one of those trek junkers within six months, no doubt in my mind at all. JD |
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