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August 26th 03, 04:06 AM
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What's up with Bigha?
Larry Varney wrote:
Lorenzo L. Love wrote: If people who have test ridden it and in some cases who have bought dozens of different bikes won't buy one, what does that tell us? Lorenzo L. Love http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove What does it tell us? About your criteria for determining if a bike is overpriced? Nothing. Remember, you're the guy who doesn't feel that actually riding the bike is all that important. But I do lend some credence to a review by a person who has ridden a bike. It matters little to me if he buys it or not - there are lots of reasons that people might not buy something, even if they like it. If they won't buy it because they found something objectionable about it during their test, I'd be interested in hearing about it. And I give no credence to the opinion of someone who has not seen, much less ridden any bike. What I actually wrote and you edited was: If people who have test ridden it and in some cases who have bought dozens of different bikes won't buy one, what does that tell us? Defend Bigha all you want, it isn't making people buy them. It costs too much for a slow heavy bike, no matter how nicely finished. The company is largely made up of people who have already screwed over too many people. If you don't think these factors are important, then buy one. But you aren't going to are you? Lot of people are eager to let some one else spend money, but still no one here willing to spend their own on a Bigha. Have you seen or much less ridden a Bigha? What credence should we give to your opinion? Lorenzo L. Love http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demand 
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#202
August 26th 03, 04:06 AM
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What's up with Bigha?
Larry Varney wrote:
Lorenzo L. Love wrote: If people who have test ridden it and in some cases who have bought dozens of different bikes won't buy one, what does that tell us? Lorenzo L. Love http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove What does it tell us? About your criteria for determining if a bike is overpriced? Nothing. Remember, you're the guy who doesn't feel that actually riding the bike is all that important. But I do lend some credence to a review by a person who has ridden a bike. It matters little to me if he buys it or not - there are lots of reasons that people might not buy something, even if they like it. If they won't buy it because they found something objectionable about it during their test, I'd be interested in hearing about it. And I give no credence to the opinion of someone who has not seen, much less ridden any bike. What I actually wrote and you edited was: If people who have test ridden it and in some cases who have bought dozens of different bikes won't buy one, what does that tell us? Defend Bigha all you want, it isn't making people buy them. It costs too much for a slow heavy bike, no matter how nicely finished. The company is largely made up of people who have already screwed over too many people. If you don't think these factors are important, then buy one. But you aren't going to are you? Lot of people are eager to let some one else spend money, but still no one here willing to spend their own on a Bigha. Have you seen or much less ridden a Bigha? What credence should we give to your opinion? Lorenzo L. Love http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demand
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#204
August 26th 03, 01:16 PM
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Ed Dolan and "Realities"
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says... I think we're /all/ missing the point here. Which is: Why should anyone give a flying fuc*k whether anyone else on the newsgroup would buy a BigHa? Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/ ================================================== ========= Editor - British Human Power Club Newsletter http://www.bhpc.org.uk/ ================================================== ========= UMM, maybe because it is a recumbent newsgroup? The same question is asked about just about any new recumbent. It's just a little more interesting with the Bigha seeing if anyone will spend 3k on what is essentially a high end BikeE and offers little that the BikeE AT didn't offer at less than half the price. Oh yeah, and there's the little thing about BikeE closing shop and leaving dealers and customers hanging and then Bigha opening up before the dust settled. That's why we give a flying whatever. -- ___________________ John Rooker KC2KQT Rochester, NY
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#205
August 26th 03, 01:47 PM
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Ed Dolan and "Realities"
John Rooker wrote:
UMM, maybe because it is a recumbent newsgroup? The same question is asked about just about any new recumbent. It's just a little more interesting with the Bigha seeing if anyone will spend 3k on what is essentially a high end BikeE and offers little that the BikeE AT didn't offer at less than half the price. Oh yeah, and there's the little thing about BikeE closing shop and leaving dealers and customers hanging and then Bigha opening up before the dust settled. That's why we give a flying whatever. Given the number of responses to the question and, perhaps more pertinently, the number of times the same question has been asked /without/ garnering a response, though, it rather looks as though no-one *does* care. Perhaps if the question had been: "What does The Panel think of the BigHa" then more responses might have been forthcoming. Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/ ================================================== ========= Editor - British Human Power Club Newsletter http://www.bhpc.org.uk/ ================================================== =========
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August 26th 03, 01:47 PM
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Ed Dolan and "Realities"
John Rooker wrote:
UMM, maybe because it is a recumbent newsgroup? The same question is asked about just about any new recumbent. It's just a little more interesting with the Bigha seeing if anyone will spend 3k on what is essentially a high end BikeE and offers little that the BikeE AT didn't offer at less than half the price. Oh yeah, and there's the little thing about BikeE closing shop and leaving dealers and customers hanging and then Bigha opening up before the dust settled. That's why we give a flying whatever. Given the number of responses to the question and, perhaps more pertinently, the number of times the same question has been asked /without/ garnering a response, though, it rather looks as though no-one *does* care. Perhaps if the question had been: "What does The Panel think of the BigHa" then more responses might have been forthcoming. Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/ ================================================== ========= Editor - British Human Power Club Newsletter http://www.bhpc.org.uk/ ================================================== =========
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#207
August 26th 03, 01:58 PM
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Ed Dolan and "Realities"
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says... Given the number of responses to the question and, perhaps more pertinently, the number of times the same question has been asked /without/ garnering a response, though, it rather looks as though no-one *does* care. Perhaps if the question had been: "What does The Panel think of the BigHa" then more responses might have been forthcoming. Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/ ================================================== ========= Editor - British Human Power Club Newsletter http://www.bhpc.org.uk/ ================================================== ========= Dave, With this group..I sort of doubt it.  -- ___________________ John Rooker KC2KQT Rochester, NY
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#208
August 26th 03, 01:58 PM
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Ed Dolan and "Realities"
In article ,
says... Given the number of responses to the question and, perhaps more pertinently, the number of times the same question has been asked /without/ garnering a response, though, it rather looks as though no-one *does* care. Perhaps if the question had been: "What does The Panel think of the BigHa" then more responses might have been forthcoming. Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/ ================================================== ========= Editor - British Human Power Club Newsletter http://www.bhpc.org.uk/ ================================================== ========= Dave, With this group..I sort of doubt it. -- ___________________ John Rooker KC2KQT Rochester, NY
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#209
August 26th 03, 03:12 PM
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Ed Dolan and "Realities"
Larry, you are my hero! I love your, calm, mature, respectful
response to the childish ranting of El Dolan. Ride well, amigo. Scott Larry Varney wrote in message ... Edward Dolan wrote: Your faith in hands-on experience is like that of a child, a dumb child, who has to see and touch in order to believe. Those of us with some level and ability to think abstractly do not need such "realities". Our thinking has progressed to a level which you can scarcely comprehend let alone respond to. Mr. Love pointed out to even one so deaf and dumb as yourself the comparative values of the different bikes based on price. Everyone in this newsgroup knows what he is talking about with respect to these various bikes except you. The main point was and is the $3000., but only someone as dense as you would somehow think something else was at issue. Like you said, and like I said before you, there is no complexity here. But how to get you to focus on the one simple thing is the ever continuing issue. But now that I am reprimanding you, when the hell are you going to learn to edit a post? It is not necessary to always be repeating the entire post of what has gone before, only that part that you are responding to. Note my example and follow. Ed Dolan - Minnesota I have taken your advice (not your command) and edited my reply. This is not a matter of "belief". No one is asking anyone to "believe" in the merits (or lack of same) in the BigHA. What is being discussed is the validity of an opinion regarding the merits of the BigHA when the opinion contains no actual experience with the bike. How valid, for instance, is the opinion of the taste of an apple pie from the person who has never eaten it? Sure, you can "believe" that it's good or bad, but is that going to result in an accurate assessment of the pie? The main point is not the price. There are many bikes costing that much and more, and yet they are not being attacked. "Even one so deaf and dumb as yourself" should have realized that. The main point, as I have pointed out numerous times, is that yes, you do not need any actual experience to have an opinion, but for it to reflect reality, it certainly helps. Here's an example: I believe that a TiRush is not worth the extra money that it costs in comparison to a Gold Rush. I don't believe that the TiRush is whatever-multiplier better than a RANS Rocket. Perfectly acceptable opinion - it might even be shared by many others. It might even be correct, so far as opinions can or need to be "correct". But how much validity can there be to such an opinion, when I point out that I have never ridden a TiRush (I have seen a couple, though). My total riding time on a Gold Rush was about 15 minutes, and that was a couple of years ago. And I've ridden a Rocket perhaps twice that amount. Personally, I would value the opinions of those who have ridden those bikes much more than those who haven't. How about you?
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#210
August 26th 03, 03:12 PM
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Ed Dolan and "Realities"
Larry, you are my hero! I love your, calm, mature, respectful
response to the childish ranting of El Dolan. Ride well, amigo. Scott Larry Varney wrote in message ... Edward Dolan wrote: Your faith in hands-on experience is like that of a child, a dumb child, who has to see and touch in order to believe. Those of us with some level and ability to think abstractly do not need such "realities". Our thinking has progressed to a level which you can scarcely comprehend let alone respond to. Mr. Love pointed out to even one so deaf and dumb as yourself the comparative values of the different bikes based on price. Everyone in this newsgroup knows what he is talking about with respect to these various bikes except you. The main point was and is the $3000., but only someone as dense as you would somehow think something else was at issue. Like you said, and like I said before you, there is no complexity here. But how to get you to focus on the one simple thing is the ever continuing issue. But now that I am reprimanding you, when the hell are you going to learn to edit a post? It is not necessary to always be repeating the entire post of what has gone before, only that part that you are responding to. Note my example and follow. Ed Dolan - Minnesota I have taken your advice (not your command) and edited my reply. This is not a matter of "belief". No one is asking anyone to "believe" in the merits (or lack of same) in the BigHA. What is being discussed is the validity of an opinion regarding the merits of the BigHA when the opinion contains no actual experience with the bike. How valid, for instance, is the opinion of the taste of an apple pie from the person who has never eaten it? Sure, you can "believe" that it's good or bad, but is that going to result in an accurate assessment of the pie? The main point is not the price. There are many bikes costing that much and more, and yet they are not being attacked. "Even one so deaf and dumb as yourself" should have realized that. The main point, as I have pointed out numerous times, is that yes, you do not need any actual experience to have an opinion, but for it to reflect reality, it certainly helps. Here's an example: I believe that a TiRush is not worth the extra money that it costs in comparison to a Gold Rush. I don't believe that the TiRush is whatever-multiplier better than a RANS Rocket. Perfectly acceptable opinion - it might even be shared by many others. It might even be correct, so far as opinions can or need to be "correct". But how much validity can there be to such an opinion, when I point out that I have never ridden a TiRush (I have seen a couple, though). My total riding time on a Gold Rush was about 15 minutes, and that was a couple of years ago. And I've ridden a Rocket perhaps twice that amount. Personally, I would value the opinions of those who have ridden those bikes much more than those who haven't. How about you?
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