Does Slow Johnny still pull the wings off flies

On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 3:16:50 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 09:12:35 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 2:56:27 PM UTC-8, wrote:
Op zondag 10 januari 2021 om 21:34:46 UTC+1 schreef AMuzi:
On 1/10/2021 1:35 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 11:08:51 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/10/2021 11:51 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Saturday, January 9, 2021 at 6:52:50 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 1:24:51 AM UTC, wrote:
On Saturday, January 9, 2021 at 4:59:53 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
Returning for just a moment to the depressing subject of Slow Johnny, one wonders whether he had looked up on Wikipedia what pulling the wings off flies says about his mentality.
So what did you discover, Slow Johnny?
Between Slow Johnny and Wikipedia, neither seems to know what a pen knife is. Wikipedia thinks that it is a Swiss Army Knife and Slow Johnny thinks that it has something to so with a cartoon character of some sort.
I have to make do with Swiss Army knives -- I have two sizes on my desk for various artistic purposes and another in my pocket to sharpen pencils and pigment-wax bars to paint with. The best pocket knives were made by Joseph Rodgers of Sheffield, but I gave my last one to a dear friend who wanted to give it a gracious retirement in his collection: it had served me faithfully for over 60 years. I thought seriously of asking one of the bicycle frame braziers who still have an open hearth to hammer me a blade, but then, under the influence of my knowledgable friend decided what was left of the blade should stay on the knife. So much of what is now sold as Swiss Army knives, regrettably, are so much dinky trash for the tourist trade; I have three with broken plastic grips in a box in a drawer for spare part, none of them even ten years old. At least the blades are still okay, even if they aren't the outstanding steel edges you could get within living memory. -- AJ
Originally at our school we still have inkwells in our desks and it wasn't unusual to cut your own ink pen with a pen knife that appears to be what we call an Exacto-knife these days. Turkey tail feathers were the best to practice script. And the continuous dipping into ink supplied the delay to allow very careful practice. After the advent of the ball point pen and entry into middle management I completely lost my hand for script. I can barely write my own signature now but I think that has to do with the concussion damage,

???

I knew George S Parker III, whose family had made steel nibs
so cheaply that by the 1920s quills were mostly gone in USA.

Inkwells, yes. Quills no.

I remember those self inking pens. But it was still common around here to use quills and open inkwells. But you have to remember that this was shortly after the war and no one had any money and this area has always been sick with wild turkeys.

School pens (simple steel nib, not self-inking):

https://i.etsystatic.com/8303844/r/i...10711_bm72.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/85/2a...0edd9e5e0c.jpg

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/zbYAA...kzd/s-l300.jpg

That is what I used in first years in primary school (1963-1967). I convinced that it improves your handwriting. Up to now I still prefer a fountain pen or just a pencil.
A perusal of period classroom photos shows many examples,
Yes that was the classic classroom photo pose.
postwar through end of 1950s, but can't find a single
instance of turkey feathers.
Turkey or goose feathers? That was something of the 17th century over here.

What did Germany look like post-WW II? Here in Oakland, during the war it was reasonably prosperous with the ship building and steel mills but that was abruptly terminated with the end of the war and people went from what they considered well-to-so after the Great Depression to being absolutely poor. The unions still hadn't come in and forced a living wage upon employers who themselves were going from government contracts to bankruptcy court on the order of one a day.

How the hell would I even have known about quill pens had I not used them? But photos of the more prosperous ends of town where children were far more likely to be portrayed somehow are issued as the world around us. ALL of the factories are still broken down and rusting away as the proof of what it was like almost immediately after the war ended. Just imagine what the bay area was like going from building one large freighter each day to nothing at all overnight.

What we need more of is people that didn't experience this to tell us that "it ain't so". Sure, this didn't last for long. But it did exist.
Gee but California (the land of the fruits and nuts, I've heard it
describes as) must have been a truly horrible place to live. Tommy
reminiscing about the late 1940's and early 1950's and the state so
poor that the students had to run around catching turkeys in order to
have a writing utensil.

In contract I grew up in a little New England village and was in
school way back in1938 and graduated high school in 1950 and I
distinctly remember that the school furnished "writing sticks" even in
the 1st grade. Free too.

Or perhaps Tommy boy just has a rather vivid imagination?

Must you make such a ass of yourself? We were dirt poor and shot turkey and pheasant for food since you seem to have been of the monied elite.

On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 3:16:50 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 09:12:35 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 2:56:27 PM UTC-8, wrote:
Op zondag 10 januari 2021 om 21:34:46 UTC+1 schreef AMuzi:
On 1/10/2021 1:35 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 11:08:51 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/10/2021 11:51 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Saturday, January 9, 2021 at 6:52:50 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 1:24:51 AM UTC, wrote:
On Saturday, January 9, 2021 at 4:59:53 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
Returning for just a moment to the depressing subject of Slow Johnny, one wonders whether he had looked up on Wikipedia what pulling the wings off flies says about his mentality.
So what did you discover, Slow Johnny?
Between Slow Johnny and Wikipedia, neither seems to know what a pen knife is. Wikipedia thinks that it is a Swiss Army Knife and Slow Johnny thinks that it has something to so with a cartoon character of some sort.
I have to make do with Swiss Army knives -- I have two sizes on my desk for various artistic purposes and another in my pocket to sharpen pencils and pigment-wax bars to paint with. The best pocket knives were made by Joseph Rodgers of Sheffield, but I gave my last one to a dear friend who wanted to give it a gracious retirement in his collection: it had served me faithfully for over 60 years. I thought seriously of asking one of the bicycle frame braziers who still have an open hearth to hammer me a blade, but then, under the influence of my knowledgable friend decided what was left of the blade should stay on the knife. So much of what is now sold as Swiss Army knives, regrettably, are so much dinky trash for the tourist trade; I have three with broken plastic grips in a box in a drawer for spare part, none of them even ten years old. At least the blades are still okay, even if they aren't the outstanding steel edges you could get within living memory. -- AJ
Originally at our school we still have inkwells in our desks and it wasn't unusual to cut your own ink pen with a pen knife that appears to be what we call an Exacto-knife these days. Turkey tail feathers were the best to practice script. And the continuous dipping into ink supplied the delay to allow very careful practice. After the advent of the ball point pen and entry into middle management I completely lost my hand for script. I can barely write my own signature now but I think that has to do with the concussion damage,

???

I knew George S Parker III, whose family had made steel nibs
so cheaply that by the 1920s quills were mostly gone in USA.

Inkwells, yes. Quills no.

I remember those self inking pens. But it was still common around here to use quills and open inkwells. But you have to remember that this was shortly after the war and no one had any money and this area has always been sick with wild turkeys.

School pens (simple steel nib, not self-inking):

https://i.etsystatic.com/8303844/r/i...10711_bm72.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/85/2a...0edd9e5e0c.jpg

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/zbYAA...kzd/s-l300.jpg

That is what I used in first years in primary school (1963-1967). I convinced that it improves your handwriting. Up to now I still prefer a fountain pen or just a pencil.
A perusal of period classroom photos shows many examples,
Yes that was the classic classroom photo pose.
postwar through end of 1950s, but can't find a single
instance of turkey feathers.
Turkey or goose feathers? That was something of the 17th century over here.

What did Germany look like post-WW II? Here in Oakland, during the war it was reasonably prosperous with the ship building and steel mills but that was abruptly terminated with the end of the war and people went from what they considered well-to-so after the Great Depression to being absolutely poor. The unions still hadn't come in and forced a living wage upon employers who themselves were going from government contracts to bankruptcy court on the order of one a day.

How the hell would I even have known about quill pens had I not used them? But photos of the more prosperous ends of town where children were far more likely to be portrayed somehow are issued as the world around us. ALL of the factories are still broken down and rusting away as the proof of what it was like almost immediately after the war ended. Just imagine what the bay area was like going from building one large freighter each day to nothing at all overnight.

What we need more of is people that didn't experience this to tell us that "it ain't so". Sure, this didn't last for long. But it did exist.
Gee but California (the land of the fruits and nuts, I've heard it
describes as) must have been a truly horrible place to live. Tommy
reminiscing about the late 1940's and early 1950's and the state so
poor that the students had to run around catching turkeys in order to
have a writing utensil.

In contract I grew up in a little New England village and was in
school way back in1938 and graduated high school in 1950 and I
distinctly remember that the school furnished "writing sticks" even in
the 1st grade. Free too.

Or perhaps Tommy boy just has a rather vivid imagination?

Obviously you received the schooling you so much deserved. Pencils were used for doing school work. Not learning and practicing script.

On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 3:24:32 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 15:19:35 -0600, AMuzi wrote:

On 1/11/2021 1:21 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Among architects, the use of custom fonts is quite common. The idea
is that if someone pirates the architects work, the unique fonts would
make the theft obvious in a court of law. In the distant past, we had
three architects offices in the office building. All of them used
custom fonts. I don't know if they still do that today.

Right, I had my all-caps scrawl digitized as a TrueType
font. Probably something like that.
Sorry, but your scribbling has probably been copyrighted:
https://www.1001fonts.com/illegible-fonts.html
https://www.fontget.com/discover/illegible/
https://www.myfonts.com/tags/illegible
etc...

My favorite font is "Faux Hebrew". Sending formatted email or letters
to my Jewish friends often results in confusion (followed by
profanity):
https://www.google.com/search?q=faux+hebrew+font&tbm=isch

The ultimate in penmanship are the torah scribes. They transcribe the
entire 304,805 word Torah with pen and ink by hand. It takes about 2
years. No corrections are allowed. One mistake and the scrolls are
destroyed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sefer_Torah
It's quite an art and takes many years of practice to achieve
perfection. A new torah scroll will cost between $15,000 and $50,000
depending mostly on the quality and consistency of the script:
https://www.amazon.com/Authentic-Kosher-Written-Scroll-Reconditioned/dp/B003AT9RKM
One of my uncles was a draftsman in Israel back in the 1960's. He
augmented his income transcribing torah scrolls.

Your Uncle must have had a hell of a hand since Torah scrolls are written in an unbelievably exact scroll. It was written by hand but the lines and the script is perfectly straight with perfect straight copy.

On 1/11/2021 6:24 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 15:19:35 -0600, AMuzi wrote:

On 1/11/2021 1:21 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Among architects, the use of custom fonts is quite common. The idea
is that if someone pirates the architects work, the unique fonts would
make the theft obvious in a court of law. In the distant past, we had
three architects offices in the office building. All of them used
custom fonts. I don't know if they still do that today.

Right, I had my all-caps scrawl digitized as a TrueType
font. Probably something like that.

Sorry, but your scribbling has probably been copyrighted:
https://www.1001fonts.com/illegible-fonts.html
https://www.fontget.com/discover/illegible/
https://www.myfonts.com/tags/illegible
etc...

My favorite font is "Faux Hebrew". Sending formatted email or letters
to my Jewish friends often results in confusion (followed by
profanity):
https://www.google.com/search?q=faux+hebrew+font&tbm=isch

The ultimate in penmanship are the torah scribes. They transcribe the
entire 304,805 word Torah with pen and ink by hand. It takes about 2
years. No corrections are allowed. One mistake and the scrolls are
destroyed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sefer_Torah
It's quite an art and takes many years of practice to achieve
perfection. A new torah scroll will cost between $15,000 and $50,000
depending mostly on the quality and consistency of the script:
https://www.amazon.com/Authentic-Kosher-Written-Scroll-Reconditioned/dp/B003AT9RKM
One of my uncles was a draftsman in Israel back in the 1960's. He
augmented his income transcribing torah scrolls.

You may enjoy this production of PBS: "A to Z" on alphabets, writing
and printing. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/series/a-to-z/ Some
interesting information on things like the influence of materials on
writing systems, and many lovely scenes of calligraphers at work.

Interesting tidbit: As with Guns, Germs and Steel (as per that book), it
was an accident that Roman writing was much more amenable to moveable
type than were its competitors. That gave yet another advantage to
Europeans over Arabs, Chinese, etc.


--
- Frank Krygowski

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 15:24:25 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 15:19:35 -0600, AMuzi wrote:

On 1/11/2021 1:21 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Among architects, the use of custom fonts is quite common. The idea
is that if someone pirates the architects work, the unique fonts would
make the theft obvious in a court of law. In the distant past, we had
three architects offices in the office building. All of them used
custom fonts. I don't know if they still do that today.

Right, I had my all-caps scrawl digitized as a TrueType
font. Probably something like that.

Sorry, but your scribbling has probably been copyrighted:
https://www.1001fonts.com/illegible-fonts.html
https://www.fontget.com/discover/illegible/
https://www.myfonts.com/tags/illegible
etc...

My favorite font is "Faux Hebrew". Sending formatted email or letters
to my Jewish friends often results in confusion (followed by
profanity):
https://www.google.com/search?q=faux+hebrew+font&tbm=isch

The ultimate in penmanship are the torah scribes. They transcribe the
entire 304,805 word Torah with pen and ink by hand. It takes about 2
years. No corrections are allowed. One mistake and the scrolls are
destroyed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sefer_Torah
It's quite an art and takes many years of practice to achieve
perfection. A new torah scroll will cost between $15,000 and $50,000
depending mostly on the quality and consistency of the script:
https://www.amazon.com/Authentic-Kosher-Written-Scroll-Reconditioned/dp/B003AT9RKM
One of my uncles was a draftsman in Israel back in the 1960's. He
augmented his income transcribing torah scrolls.

Not to disparage the Torah but until the 1440's all "books" were hand
written :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 15:42:07 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 3:16:50 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 09:12:35 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 2:56:27 PM UTC-8, wrote:
Op zondag 10 januari 2021 om 21:34:46 UTC+1 schreef AMuzi:
On 1/10/2021 1:35 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 11:08:51 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/10/2021 11:51 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Saturday, January 9, 2021 at 6:52:50 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 1:24:51 AM UTC, wrote:
On Saturday, January 9, 2021 at 4:59:53 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
Returning for just a moment to the depressing subject of Slow Johnny, one wonders whether he had looked up on Wikipedia what pulling the wings off flies says about his mentality.
So what did you discover, Slow Johnny?
Between Slow Johnny and Wikipedia, neither seems to know what a pen knife is. Wikipedia thinks that it is a Swiss Army Knife and Slow Johnny thinks that it has something to so with a cartoon character of some sort.
I have to make do with Swiss Army knives -- I have two sizes on my desk for various artistic purposes and another in my pocket to sharpen pencils and pigment-wax bars to paint with. The best pocket knives were made by Joseph Rodgers of Sheffield, but I gave my last one to a dear friend who wanted to give it a gracious retirement in his collection: it had served me faithfully for over 60 years. I thought seriously of asking one of the bicycle frame braziers who still have an open hearth to hammer me a blade, but then, under the influence of my knowledgable friend decided what was left of the blade should stay on the knife. So much of what is now sold as Swiss Army knives, regrettably, are so much dinky trash for the tourist trade; I have three with broken plastic grips in a box in a drawer for spare part, none of them even ten years old. At least the blades are still okay, even if they aren't the outstanding steel edges you could get within living memory. -- AJ
Originally at our school we still have inkwells in our desks and it wasn't unusual to cut your own ink pen with a pen knife that appears to be what we call an Exacto-knife these days. Turkey tail feathers were the best to practice script. And the continuous dipping into ink supplied the delay to allow very careful practice. After the advent of the ball point pen and entry into middle management I completely lost my hand for script. I can barely write my own signature now but I think that has to do with the concussion damage,

???

I knew George S Parker III, whose family had made steel nibs
so cheaply that by the 1920s quills were mostly gone in USA.

Inkwells, yes. Quills no.

I remember those self inking pens. But it was still common around here to use quills and open inkwells. But you have to remember that this was shortly after the war and no one had any money and this area has always been sick with wild turkeys.

School pens (simple steel nib, not self-inking):

https://i.etsystatic.com/8303844/r/i...10711_bm72.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/85/2a...0edd9e5e0c.jpg

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/zbYAA...kzd/s-l300.jpg

That is what I used in first years in primary school (1963-1967). I convinced that it improves your handwriting. Up to now I still prefer a fountain pen or just a pencil.
A perusal of period classroom photos shows many examples,
Yes that was the classic classroom photo pose.
postwar through end of 1950s, but can't find a single
instance of turkey feathers.
Turkey or goose feathers? That was something of the 17th century over here.

What did Germany look like post-WW II? Here in Oakland, during the war it was reasonably prosperous with the ship building and steel mills but that was abruptly terminated with the end of the war and people went from what they considered well-to-so after the Great Depression to being absolutely poor. The unions still hadn't come in and forced a living wage upon employers who themselves were going from government contracts to bankruptcy court on the order of one a day.

How the hell would I even have known about quill pens had I not used them? But photos of the more prosperous ends of town where children were far more likely to be portrayed somehow are issued as the world around us. ALL of the factories are still broken down and rusting away as the proof of what it was like almost immediately after the war ended. Just imagine what the bay area was like going from building one large freighter each day to nothing at all overnight.

What we need more of is people that didn't experience this to tell us that "it ain't so". Sure, this didn't last for long. But it did exist.
Gee but California (the land of the fruits and nuts, I've heard it
describes as) must have been a truly horrible place to live. Tommy
reminiscing about the late 1940's and early 1950's and the state so
poor that the students had to run around catching turkeys in order to
have a writing utensil.

In contract I grew up in a little New England village and was in
school way back in1938 and graduated high school in 1950 and I
distinctly remember that the school furnished "writing sticks" even in
the 1st grade. Free too.

Or perhaps Tommy boy just has a rather vivid imagination?

Must you make such a ass of yourself? We were dirt poor and shot turkey and pheasant for food since you seem to have been of the monied elite.

Yes, creeping through the wilds of San Leandro, bow and arrow in hand
(couldn't afford a musket) to capture the elusive turkey.

California in the 1950's and not a turkey in sight
https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/sout...-1950s-so-cal/

Tommy boy, take your medicine! Your delusions are running away with
you.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 07:58:16 +0700, John B.
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 15:42:07 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 3:16:50 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 09:12:35 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 2:56:27 PM UTC-8, wrote:
Op zondag 10 januari 2021 om 21:34:46 UTC+1 schreef AMuzi:
On 1/10/2021 1:35 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 11:08:51 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/10/2021 11:51 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Saturday, January 9, 2021 at 6:52:50 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 1:24:51 AM UTC, wrote:
On Saturday, January 9, 2021 at 4:59:53 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
Returning for just a moment to the depressing subject of Slow Johnny, one wonders whether he had looked up on Wikipedia what pulling the wings off flies says about his mentality.
So what did you discover, Slow Johnny?
Between Slow Johnny and Wikipedia, neither seems to know what a pen knife is. Wikipedia thinks that it is a Swiss Army Knife and Slow Johnny thinks that it has something to so with a cartoon character of some sort.
I have to make do with Swiss Army knives -- I have two sizes on my desk for various artistic purposes and another in my pocket to sharpen pencils and pigment-wax bars to paint with. The best pocket knives were made by Joseph Rodgers of Sheffield, but I gave my last one to a dear friend who wanted to give it a gracious retirement in his collection: it had served me faithfully for over 60 years. I thought seriously of asking one of the bicycle frame braziers who still have an open hearth to hammer me a blade, but then, under the influence of my knowledgable friend decided what was left of the blade should stay on the knife. So much of what is now sold as Swiss Army knives, regrettably, are so much dinky trash for the tourist trade; I have three with broken plastic grips in a box in a drawer for spare part, none of them even ten years old. At least the blades are still okay, even if they aren't the outstanding steel edges you could get within living memory. -- AJ
Originally at our school we still have inkwells in our desks and it wasn't unusual to cut your own ink pen with a pen knife that appears to be what we call an Exacto-knife these days. Turkey tail feathers were the best to practice script. And the continuous dipping into ink supplied the delay to allow very careful practice. After the advent of the ball point pen and entry into middle management I completely lost my hand for script. I can barely write my own signature now but I think that has to do with the concussion damage,

???

I knew George S Parker III, whose family had made steel nibs
so cheaply that by the 1920s quills were mostly gone in USA.

Inkwells, yes. Quills no.

I remember those self inking pens. But it was still common around here to use quills and open inkwells. But you have to remember that this was shortly after the war and no one had any money and this area has always been sick with wild turkeys.

School pens (simple steel nib, not self-inking):

https://i.etsystatic.com/8303844/r/i...10711_bm72.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/85/2a...0edd9e5e0c.jpg

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/zbYAA...kzd/s-l300.jpg

That is what I used in first years in primary school (1963-1967). I convinced that it improves your handwriting. Up to now I still prefer a fountain pen or just a pencil.
A perusal of period classroom photos shows many examples,
Yes that was the classic classroom photo pose.
postwar through end of 1950s, but can't find a single
instance of turkey feathers.
Turkey or goose feathers? That was something of the 17th century over here.

What did Germany look like post-WW II? Here in Oakland, during the war it was reasonably prosperous with the ship building and steel mills but that was abruptly terminated with the end of the war and people went from what they considered well-to-so after the Great Depression to being absolutely poor. The unions still hadn't come in and forced a living wage upon employers who themselves were going from government contracts to bankruptcy court on the order of one a day.

How the hell would I even have known about quill pens had I not used them? But photos of the more prosperous ends of town where children were far more likely to be portrayed somehow are issued as the world around us. ALL of the factories are still broken down and rusting away as the proof of what it was like almost immediately after the war ended. Just imagine what the bay area was like going from building one large freighter each day to nothing at all overnight.

What we need more of is people that didn't experience this to tell us that "it ain't so". Sure, this didn't last for long. But it did exist.
Gee but California (the land of the fruits and nuts, I've heard it
describes as) must have been a truly horrible place to live. Tommy
reminiscing about the late 1940's and early 1950's and the state so
poor that the students had to run around catching turkeys in order to
have a writing utensil.

In contract I grew up in a little New England village and was in
school way back in1938 and graduated high school in 1950 and I
distinctly remember that the school furnished "writing sticks" even in
the 1st grade. Free too.

Or perhaps Tommy boy just has a rather vivid imagination?

Must you make such a ass of yourself? We were dirt poor and shot turkey and pheasant for food since you seem to have been of the monied elite.

Yes, creeping through the wilds of San Leandro, bow and arrow in hand
(couldn't afford a musket) to capture the elusive turkey.

California in the 1950's and not a turkey in sight
https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/sout...-1950s-so-cal/

Tommy boy, take your medicine! Your delusions are running away with
you.


Hey Tommy, I just came across a quote from a rather famous (in his
trade) collage professor who describes your problems exactly:

"In San Francisco because it is nearly impossible to tell who is
hearing voices and who is just talking on their hand phone, and in
this city their numbers seem about equal." --Shaun Nichols

Obviously you are one of those without the hand phone.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 15:48:10 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 3:24:32 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 15:19:35 -0600, AMuzi wrote:

On 1/11/2021 1:21 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Among architects, the use of custom fonts is quite common. The idea
is that if someone pirates the architects work, the unique fonts would
make the theft obvious in a court of law. In the distant past, we had
three architects offices in the office building. All of them used
custom fonts. I don't know if they still do that today.

Right, I had my all-caps scrawl digitized as a TrueType
font. Probably something like that.
Sorry, but your scribbling has probably been copyrighted:
https://www.1001fonts.com/illegible-fonts.html
https://www.fontget.com/discover/illegible/
https://www.myfonts.com/tags/illegible
etc...

My favorite font is "Faux Hebrew". Sending formatted email or letters
to my Jewish friends often results in confusion (followed by
profanity):
https://www.google.com/search?q=faux+hebrew+font&tbm=isch

The ultimate in penmanship are the torah scribes. They transcribe the
entire 304,805 word Torah with pen and ink by hand. It takes about 2
years. No corrections are allowed. One mistake and the scrolls are
destroyed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sefer_Torah
It's quite an art and takes many years of practice to achieve
perfection. A new torah scroll will cost between $15,000 and $50,000
depending mostly on the quality and consistency of the script:
https://www.amazon.com/Authentic-Kosher-Written-Scroll-Reconditioned/dp/B003AT9RKM
One of my uncles was a draftsman in Israel back in the 1960's. He
augmented his income transcribing torah scrolls.

Your Uncle must have had a hell of a hand since Torah scrolls are
written in an unbelievably exact scroll. It was written by hand
but the lines and the script is perfectly straight with perfect
straight copy.

When I was in Israel, I was able to watch for a few minutes before my
uncle threw me out of the room. He didn't want any distractions while
he worked. As I vaguely understand it, a piece of paper or clear
plastic is used as a guide line below the line. The difficult part is
the top of each character, which must all align with the other
characters. There may also have been an upper guide line, but I don't
recall seeing one. Sometimes that parchment paper is scored as in:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhDpbwn9MHk

One helpful feature of writing the torah by hand is that the
characters can have different aspect ratios so that the right and left
margins will be straight. It's acceptable to stretch a character
horizontally (but not vertically) or leave large horizontal gaps:
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/1482-torah-sold-for-record-3-87-million
There are also Hebrew fonts developed over the centuries to make
writing Hebrew with a turkey quill easier. The handwritten versions
often do not include accent marks, which saves quite a bit of effort.
It's quite an art.

Some videos on how it's done:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=torah+scribe

Apparently making corrections is now acceptable:
"Scribe fixing mistake in Sefer Torah"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAvqD9fBoDc


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On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 07:37:00 +0700, John B.
wrote:

Not to disparage the Torah but until the 1440's all "books" were hand
written :-)

Not a problem, no offense taken, and as usual, I beg to differ
somewhat.

The first Gutenberg bible was available for purchase in 1554.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutenberg_Bible#Printing_history
Preparation of the Bible probably began soon after
1450, and the first finished copies were available
in 1454 or 1455.
There were probably prior books printed by Gutenberg that were not
bibles.

Prior to the invention of the printing press, there was woodblock
printing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodblock_printing
which was invented in China in about 200 AD. Woodblock printing does
not require a scribe to put his hand on quill or paper. The European
version was the woodcut. Although text was possible, it was used
mostly for graphics:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodcut

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On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 07:58:16 +0700, John B.
wrote:

Yes, creeping through the wilds of San Leandro, bow and arrow in hand
(couldn't afford a musket) to capture the elusive turkey.

We have flocks of wild turkeys in the Ben Lomond, California area.
However, no musketry as the residents feed them and treat them like
pets. One fool ran over some turkeys and was given the choice of
community service or leaving town. He left.

California in the 1950's and not a turkey in sight
https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/sout...-1950s-so-cal/

Notice the lack of bicycles and bike lanes.

I lived in the Smog Angeles area from 1953(?) to 1971. I visted all
the places in the photos except Law's coffee shop. It was a strange
time for everyone, except we didn't know it was strange at the time.
Thanks for the nostalgia.

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