Bike lanes in MA, dangerous bike lanes and a possible news story

On Aug 15, 1:04 pm, wrote:
Dear Dan,

You can scroll back through monthly pictures with captions of
exquisite British bicycle road and path mis-design he

http://www.warringtoncyclecampaign.c...e-month/August...


The Coventry Velodrome

http://www.warringtoncyclecampaign.c...August2007.htm

That's spectacular!

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:01:47 -0000, landotter
wrote:

On Aug 15, 1:04 pm, wrote:
Dear Dan,

You can scroll back through monthly pictures with captions of
exquisite British bicycle road and path mis-design he

http://www.warringtoncyclecampaign.c...e-month/August...


The Coventry Velodrome

http://www.warringtoncyclecampaign.c...August2007.htm

That's spectacular!

Dear LD,

That site is a bit hard to link to--here's your Velodrome:

http://www.warringtoncyclecampaign.c...ctober2006.htm

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

wrote in
ups.com:

better job on bike lanes, which can kill people if done badly. There
are some very bad ones in Cambridge.

'Can kill people?' I'm no fan of bike lanes, but to call the poorly
designed ones deadly is pretty damn silly.

Got any examples of bike lanes killing people?

The gestapo will REQUIRE you to use the bike lane in the door zone.

Riding in Cambridge bears a high liklihood of injury.


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On 15 Aug 2007, you wrote in rec.bicycles.misc:

On Aug 15, 12:26 pm, Dane Buson wrote:

http://www.bikexprt.com/massfacil/ca...one/laird1.htm

Classic bike lane as car-door lane fatality.

"Classic?" Really?

Are you suggesting that people don't ride in the door zone on streets
with no bike lanes?

I do not. Remember cars can not pass you if they do not have reasonable
room. They will have to wait.

I do not have to give way to a faster moving vehicle in Massachusetts since
I do not have a mirror.

People also treat horses with more respect. They don't rush to pass the
Horse and turn right in front of them like they do in Boston or the
suburbs.

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wrote:
You can scroll back through monthly pictures with captions of
exquisite British bicycle road and path mis-design he
http://www.warringtoncyclecampaign.c...e-month/August...

landotter wrote:
The Coventry Velodrome
http://www.warringtoncyclecampaign.c...August2007.htm
That's spectacular!

wrote:
That site is a bit hard to link to--here's your Velodrome:
http://www.warringtoncyclecampaign.c...ctober2006.htm

Calling Tom Sherman! Calling Tom Sherman!

An employment opportunity if ever there was one. Anyone who's ever been
astride a bike, even a recumbent, could do better. They need you _now_
in Coventry!
The Civil Service goes home at 4pm, full benefits, vacations and
apparently no pesky performance standards.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Per William O'Hara:
I do not. Remember cars can not pass you if they do not have reasonable
room. They will have to wait.

Was that written tongue-in-cheek?
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PeteCresswell

In article ,
(Bill Z.) wrote:

Michael Press writes:

In article ,
(Bill Z.) wrote:

Wayne Pein writes:

goodone wrote:


http://motorman.org/wp-content/gutterpan_02.jpg

Only high skilled cyclists can ride on this kind lane.

Only highly malicious government employees create this kind of lane.

Aside from the paranoia (attributing malice to what might merely be
ineptness),

Even incompetent people can be malicious.

With respect to bike lanes? Get real.

I do not understand the question.
Reality is a multifaceted concept.

--
Michael Press

On Aug 15, 2:04 pm, wrote:
On Aug 15, 9:50 am, " wrote:



Recently I engaged in a conversation over at ne.transport regarding
some inadequate bike lanes in the Newburyport, MA area. Shortly after
posting my reply, I got an email from a Boston area reporter. I don't
want to copy-paste the exact email in the interest of privacy, but the
gist was basically that she read my post and she's "heard other
cyclists complain of useless/dangerous bike lanes". She wanted to
know if there were any others that stand out as particularly
dangerous, stating that it may make a good news story for them if
so.

This seems like a good chance to try to get some public awareness, so
I figured I'd bounce the concept off of some other cyclists before
replying to her.

Link to the thread: http://tinyurl.com/2bw4od
Non-tiny link:http://groups.google.com/group/ne.tr..._thread/thread...

Dear Dan,

You can scroll back through monthly pictures with captions of
exquisite British bicycle road and path mis-design he

http://www.warringtoncyclecampaign.c...e-month/August...

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Of course, the website Carl has pointed to deals only with British
designs. That allows bike lane fans to pretend that such atrocious
designs never occur in America. Or at least, never occur out west
where the roads are wide. Or perhaps never occur since the design
standards got improved. Or at least, haven't occurred very recently.
And if atrocious designs are somehow built by mistake, they will be
speedily corrected by the same dedicated civil servants that designed
and oversaw the mistakes, once those mistakes are gently pointed out.

My experience is quite the opposite, of course. But to a true bike
lane fan, the bad examples simply don't count.

- Frank Krygowski

Michael Press writes:

In article ,
(Bill Z.) wrote:

Michael Press writes:

In article ,
(Bill Z.) wrote:

Wayne Pein writes:

goodone wrote:


http://motorman.org/wp-content/gutterpan_02.jpg

Only high skilled cyclists can ride on this kind lane.

Only highly malicious government employees create this kind of lane.

Aside from the paranoia (attributing malice to what might merely be
ineptness),

Even incompetent people can be malicious.

With respect to bike lanes? Get real.

I do not understand the question.
Reality is a multifaceted concept.

The idea that you have any significant number of malicious government
employees, competent or not, with a thing about bike lanes is
ridiculous (I'd put it at zero except for the possibility of an
undiagnosed psycho somehow managing to hold a job).

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writes:

On Aug 15, 2:04 pm, wrote:
On Aug 15, 9:50 am, " wrote:


Of course, the website Carl has pointed to deals only with British
designs. That allows bike lane fans to pretend that such atrocious
designs never occur in America. Or at least, never occur out west
where the roads are wide. Or perhaps never occur since the design
standards got improved. Or at least, haven't occurred very recently.

Or we can just be honest and note that bike lanes that meet the
current design standards are not a problem. The idea that nobody
ever screws up is a figment of Krygowksi's imagination, but he
frequently puts out strawman arguments or tries to put words in
people's mouths.

And if atrocious designs are somehow built by mistake, they will be
speedily corrected by the same dedicated civil servants that designed
and oversaw the mistakes, once those mistakes are gently pointed out.

Odd. I know of a couple of cases in town where a bike lane was
installed so as to be substandard and they were quickly fixed.
In one case the lane was removed after what I believe was a
design error. In the other, some pavement work was done and
there was an existing, very old lane where the distance from
the lane stripe to the gutter pan was too small. The contractor
who did the striping just followed the old lane. He had
screwed up and had to replace it and bring the new section up
to the current design standards.

My experience is quite the opposite, of course. But to a true bike
lane fan, the bad examples simply don't count.

Krygowski's experience is usually a figment of his imagination and
stated for rhetorical effect. :-)

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