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Commentary: Cleared or not, Landis is a loser
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----------------------------------------------------------- By Phil Sheridan Inquirer Columnist Only one thing was proven beyond a reasonable doubt during Floyd Landis' appeal hearing over the last two weeks. Professional bicycle racing is a filthy sport and, in a perfect world, the Tour de France would go away and never come back. Certainly there is no reason for anyone to watch cycling's premier event with any faith that it is clean. Here's all you really need to know. Landis and his attorneys may succeed in discrediting the technicians in the French lab that produced his positive tests for synthetic testosterone, but they will never be able to succeed in winning back Landis' reputation. Whether he cheated to win last year's Tour is almost beside the point now that we've seen what he'll stoop to in order to win his case. Most of the testimony over the nine-day appeal hearing centered on the science of mass spectrometry and the procedures followed by the French national lab. No matter how the three-person panel of arbitrators rules - and that could take as long as 30 days - there is a fatal flaw in the Landis camp's approach. From the moment news of his positive test broke last summer, Landis has acted like a guilty man. The most egregious example of that was the episode involving Greg LeMond last week. It was shocking, sensationalistic stuff. LeMond testified that he received a menacing phone call the night before he took the stand, that the caller pretended to be the relative who sexually molested LeMond when he was a boy. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Read it at http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sport... _a_loser.html J. Spaceman |
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Commentary: Cleared or not, Landis is a loser
Jason Spaceman wrote:
By Phil Sheridan Inquirer Columnist Professional bicycle racing is a filthy sport and, in a perfect world, the Tour de France would go away and never come back. Certainly there is no reason for anyone to watch cycling's premier event with any faith that it is clean. In a perfect world hypocrites like this guy would suffer from spontaneous combustion or be condemned to go on a hunting trip with Cheney. |
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Commentary: Cleared or not, Landis is a loser
"Donald Munro" wrote in message . com... Jason Spaceman wrote: By Phil Sheridan Inquirer Columnist Professional bicycle racing is a filthy sport and, in a perfect world, the Tour de France would go away and never come back. Certainly there is no reason for anyone to watch cycling's premier event with any faith that it is clean. In a perfect world hypocrites like this guy would suffer from spontaneous combustion or be condemned to go on a hunting trip with Cheney. ummm.... 'Scuze me, but IF you want the world to believe in your innocence, you don't start the Tour by announcing that you have a severely arthritic hip that you'll have replaced as soon as the race is over, then go eleven minutes down in ONE day, then come back the next day and turn in a performance that looks like you've turned in your team bike for a Harley, and expect no one to believe a lab test that shows synthetic testosterone. There IS a crediblity gap here somewhere. I hate what the directeurs sportif and trainers have done to cycling with their doping. I have known cyclists who were doped without their knowing it because the team honchos came to them with "vitamins" they needed. All of the cycling governing agencies are going after the wrong people when they go after the athletes. NO athlete can do this stuff alone. Then when the acts are so flagrant that they leave blood bags behind for someone to find and test? Tours de Mafia. Caroline |
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Commentary: Cleared or not, Landis is a loser
On May 25, 5:34 am, "Caroline" wrote:
I hate what the directeurs sportif and trainers have done to cycling with their doping. I have known cyclists who were doped without their knowing it because the team honchos came to them with "vitamins" they needed. All of the cycling governing agencies are going after the wrong people when they go after the athletes. dumbass, that babe in the woods act is bull****. this is aldag's quote : "About four of us sat on the curb during one of the Grand Tours," began Aldag, referring to his 1994 season. "We had been totally dropped and couldn't keep up. What could we do? I started thinking about doping and asked around." |
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Commentary: Cleared or not, Landis is a loser
Sandy wrote:
Being slightly more modern and solitary, Landis said at the hearing that he was curious and looked up drugs on the internet. Really! I think I should look up making love on the Internet. |
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Commentary: Cleared or not, Landis is a loser
wrote in message
oups.com... On May 25, 5:34 am, "Caroline" wrote: I hate what the directeurs sportif and trainers have done to cycling with their doping. I have known cyclists who were doped without their knowing it because the team honchos came to them with "vitamins" they needed. All of the cycling governing agencies are going after the wrong people when they go after the athletes. dumbass, that babe in the woods act is bull****. this is aldag's quote : "About four of us sat on the curb during one of the Grand Tours," began Aldag, referring to his 1994 season. "We had been totally dropped and couldn't keep up. What could we do? I started thinking about doping and asked around." So he was too damned stupid to think, "Man, something's gotta be wrong with my training program..." The bottom line here, in my opinion, is that doping could NOT get to where it is today through athletes alone. Now, are there lazy people who want to win the Tour without working? You betcha! And there always will be. But I don't know of any doping shops where you have to show your UCI or USCF or whatever federation license in order to buy their goods. And I do know cyclists who were pushed into it by their team's trainers and coaches. Once a trainer or a coach is proven to have promoted or assisted or facilitated doping, that person should be banned from the sport for life. Caroline |
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Commentary: Cleared or not, Landis is a loser
Dans le message de news:nYA5i.8476$TU1.2500@trnddc07,
Caroline a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré : wrote in message oups.com... On May 25, 5:34 am, "Caroline" wrote: I hate what the directeurs sportif and trainers have done to cycling with their doping. I have known cyclists who were doped without their knowing it because the team honchos came to them with "vitamins" they needed. All of the cycling governing agencies are going after the wrong people when they go after the athletes. dumbass, that babe in the woods act is bull****. this is aldag's quote : "About four of us sat on the curb during one of the Grand Tours," began Aldag, referring to his 1994 season. "We had been totally dropped and couldn't keep up. What could we do? I started thinking about doping and asked around." So he was too damned stupid to think, "Man, something's gotta be wrong with my training program..." The bottom line here, in my opinion, is that doping could NOT get to where it is today through athletes alone. Now, are there lazy people who want to win the Tour without working? You betcha! And there always will be. But I don't know of any doping shops where you have to show your UCI or USCF or whatever federation license in order to buy their goods. And I do know cyclists who were pushed into it by their team's trainers and coaches. Once a trainer or a coach is proven to have promoted or assisted or facilitated doping, that person should be banned from the sport for life. Caroline Are you occasionally beset by a forgiveness and remediation mode, or is this you more or less always ? |
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Commentary: Cleared or not, Landis is a loser
On May 25, 8:50 am, "Caroline" wrote:
Once a trainer or a coach is proven to have promoted or assisted or facilitated doping, that person should be banned from the sport for life. Riders are readily admitting that they have sought out doping to get better or as their only means to stay in the sport. It's not like the old scenario where they unquestioningly take what the trainer gives them. Aldag's quote implies he was part of a genesis of organized doping in Telekom. There are facilitators in the sport, but Aldag goes on to say he bought EPO online, the UCI can't stop what gets sold online. Someone like Dr. Fuesntes is only loosely connected with cycling and isn't governed by the rules of cycling. The riders that dope are back in the sport after their suspension (Millar, Hamilton, Heras,...), but the other team personnel don't get a second chance (Voet, Roussel, Saiz), so non-riders associated with doping are effectively banned for life. |
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Commentary: Cleared or not, Landis is a loser
On Fri, 25 May 2007 12:50:27 GMT, "Caroline" wrote:
wrote in message roups.com... On May 25, 5:34 am, "Caroline" wrote: I hate what the directeurs sportif and trainers have done to cycling with their doping. I have known cyclists who were doped without their knowing it because the team honchos came to them with "vitamins" they needed. All of the cycling governing agencies are going after the wrong people when they go after the athletes. dumbass, that babe in the woods act is bull****. this is aldag's quote : "About four of us sat on the curb during one of the Grand Tours," began Aldag, referring to his 1994 season. "We had been totally dropped and couldn't keep up. What could we do? I started thinking about doping and asked around." So he was too damned stupid to think, "Man, something's gotta be wrong with my training program..." The bottom line here, in my opinion, is that doping could NOT get to where it is today through athletes alone. Now, are there lazy people who want to win the Tour without working? You betcha! And there always will be. Dumbass, Nobody, that's NOBODY!!!!! ever won or even finished, or hell even entered a modern grand tour without working like a whipped dog for tens of thousands of miles. There is no dope that lets a lazy person finish a tour, nevermind win one. This is probably what confuses the issue most and feeds the perverse moralistic posturing, the idiotic idea that dope makes it easy. Dope does NOT make it easy, it just makes it possible to work that much harder and still recover. Laziness has got nothing whatever to do with it. Okay, maybe at the lowest level of the sport but nowhere near the grand tour level. I know you are discounting that aspect , I read well enough to get that point. But please, let's just throw this whole "lazy" concept out. There are enough people who think it's all a question of who takes more dope - and what matters is who works hardest and most effectively. THe dope just makes another level possible. But I don't know of any doping shops where you have to show your UCI or USCF or whatever federation license in order to buy their goods. And I do know cyclists who were pushed into it by their team's trainers and coaches. Once a trainer or a coach is proven to have promoted or assisted or facilitated doping, that person should be banned from the sport for life. That should be looked at, and hard. I'll agree that side deserves as much or more attention as the riders. And as a bonus, the average soigneur makes so little he can't fight it like a star rider. Ron |
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