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Old May 23rd 07, 06:05 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
wimpyVO2
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....he'd say, "If the batch doesn't fit, you must acquit."

Dr. Simon Davis made LNDD look bad today. Test results with missing or
batch numbers out of sequence. Magnets placed where they aren't
supposed to be, skewing the ion field. A manual which says to operate
at 2 to 4 x 10-6 mbar, Mongongue operates it at 6 x 10-6. Pressures
that vary from sample to sample.

Reminds me of high school chemistry. Just mix stuff until you get the
"right" result.

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Old May 23rd 07, 01:56 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Doug Taylor
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On 22 May 2007 22:05:51 -0700, wimpyVO2 wrote:

...he'd say, "If the batch doesn't fit, you must acquit."

Dr. Simon Davis made LNDD look bad today. Test results with missing or
batch numbers out of sequence. Magnets placed where they aren't
supposed to be, skewing the ion field. A manual which says to operate
at 2 to 4 x 10-6 mbar, Mongongue operates it at 6 x 10-6. Pressures
that vary from sample to sample.

Reminds me of high school chemistry. Just mix stuff until you get the
"right" result.


There you go. Perfect analogy: O.J. and Floyd

1) Obviously guilty perp.

2) Perp's personal explanation of what "really" happened utterly
absurd.

3) Perp lawyers-up with high paid suits to obfuscate the facts and the
science.

4) Character assassination of witnesses.

5) Big time publicity campaign to sway credulous public opinion.

6) Partisan shills jumping on the bandwagon.

This is the FACT: Anyone who NEEDS a lawyer like Johnny Cochran to
"get them off" is guilty as sin, and if they get off, they'll be
respected among people with brains just about as much as O.J. is now.

But there are tons of morons out there who insist to this day that
O.J. was innocent and the "real killers" never got caught.

Dream on, people.
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Old May 23rd 07, 02:51 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Ryan Cousineau
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In article ,
Doug Taylor wrote:

On 22 May 2007 22:05:51 -0700, wimpyVO2 wrote:

...he'd say, "If the batch doesn't fit, you must acquit."

Dr. Simon Davis made LNDD look bad today. Test results with missing or
batch numbers out of sequence. Magnets placed where they aren't
supposed to be, skewing the ion field. A manual which says to operate
at 2 to 4 x 10-6 mbar, Mongongue operates it at 6 x 10-6. Pressures
that vary from sample to sample.

Reminds me of high school chemistry. Just mix stuff until you get the
"right" result.


There you go. Perfect analogy: O.J. and Floyd

1) Obviously guilty perp.

2) Perp's personal explanation of what "really" happened utterly
absurd.

3) Perp lawyers-up with high paid suits to obfuscate the facts and the
science.

4) Character assassination of witnesses.

5) Big time publicity campaign to sway credulous public opinion.

6) Partisan shills jumping on the bandwagon.

This is the FACT: Anyone who NEEDS a lawyer like Johnny Cochran to
"get them off" is guilty as sin, and if they get off, they'll be
respected among people with brains just about as much as O.J. is now.


Were that it were so. The fun part of medical lab testing is the number*
of innocent people getting cleared these days by DNA evidence, in some
cases springing them from jail.

I'm pretty sure all those people NEEDED a lawyer like Johnny Cochran,
they just didn't have one.

Or the Duke lacrosse players, for a more recent example of a group of
people whose lives were nearly ruined by overzealous prosecution.

I should say that, while it doesn't matter a whit, I'd bet on OJ's
guilt. I didn't follow the trial closely. However, post-trial interviews
with some jurors suggested that they found problems with the timeline
the most compelling evidence in favor of Mr. Simpson.

*small relative to the number of people in prison, sure, but not a
trivial number by any means.

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Old May 23rd 07, 03:42 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Doug Taylor
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On Wed, 23 May 2007 13:51:51 GMT, Ryan Cousineau
wrote:


This is the FACT: Anyone who NEEDS a lawyer like Johnny Cochran to
"get them off" is guilty as sin, and if they get off, they'll be
respected among people with brains just about as much as O.J. is now.


Were that it were so. The fun part of medical lab testing is the number*
of innocent people getting cleared these days by DNA evidence, in some
cases springing them from jail.

I'm pretty sure all those people NEEDED a lawyer like Johnny Cochran,
they just didn't have one.

Or the Duke lacrosse players, for a more recent example of a group of
people whose lives were nearly ruined by overzealous prosecution.


Apples and oranges.

The truly innocent accused doesn't need a lawyer like Johnny Cochran
to "get them off." All they need is a minimally competent one to
ascertain the facts, and sadly that is not always the case.

Johnny Cochran was an expensive expert trial lawyer, whom the general
public, correctly or incorrectly, trust and respect about as much as
used car or insurance salesmen - or politicians.

The Duke lacrosse players ran into a different problem: the truly
rare case of an abuse of power by a despicable rogue prosecutor
running for political office. Who, by the way, is the "real killer"
and will likely lose his law license and go bankrupt from the civil
suits the wrongly accused will bring against him. And rightly so.

So we have two choices with Floyd:

Is he just another common example of a guilty rich scum lawyering up
to "get off"?

Is he another rare example of a victim of a nefarious conspiracy out
to "get him."?

I suggest from a rational, objective point of view that the odds
overwhelmingly are in favor of the first.

But hope and credulity spring eternal, and the RBR partisans slant
overwhelmingly toward the second.

I say you all are in la la land.

Even if he gets the deserved 2 year suspension, no partisan will ever
be convinced.
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Old May 23rd 07, 04:11 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Ewoud Dronkert
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On Wed, 23 May 2007 12:08:47 -0400, Curtis L. Russell wrote:
are a lot of people having trouble with their news posters?


With Google.

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Old May 23rd 07, 04:12 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Mike Iglesias
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In article ,
Curtis L. Russell wrote:
On 23 May 2007 07:41:51 -0700, Bill C wrote:


Hey Ryan
I agree with you that OJ was most likely guilty and wish that he had
..etc
Bill C


Is it just me, or are a lot of people having trouble with their news
posters?

Or maybe it is just my newsgroup source. Still, this seems about the
tenth time lately I've gotten multiple posts and not all from the same
poster...


I'm seeing it too. Looks like all the recent repeated postings were posted
at googlegroups...


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Old May 23rd 07, 05:08 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Curtis L. Russell
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On 23 May 2007 07:41:51 -0700, Bill C wrote:


Hey Ryan
I agree with you that OJ was most likely guilty and wish that he had
..etc
Bill C


Is it just me, or are a lot of people having trouble with their news
posters?

Or maybe it is just my newsgroup source. Still, this seems about the
tenth time lately I've gotten multiple posts and not all from the same
poster...

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Old May 23rd 07, 05:24 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Alex
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On May 23, 1:05 am, wimpyVO2 wrote:
...he'd say, "If the batch doesn't fit, you must acquit."


For a good laugh go to http://www.nyvelocity.com/pictures/tturns42.jpg
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Old May 23rd 07, 08:11 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Simon Brooke
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in message , Doug Taylor
') wrote:

On Wed, 23 May 2007 13:51:51 GMT, Ryan Cousineau
wrote:


This is the FACT: Anyone who NEEDS a lawyer like Johnny Cochran to
"get them off" is guilty as sin, and if they get off, they'll be
respected among people with brains just about as much as O.J. is now.


Were that it were so. The fun part of medical lab testing is the number*
of innocent people getting cleared these days by DNA evidence, in some
cases springing them from jail.

I'm pretty sure all those people NEEDED a lawyer like Johnny Cochran,
they just didn't have one.

Or the Duke lacrosse players, for a more recent example of a group of
people whose lives were nearly ruined by overzealous prosecution.


Apples and oranges.

The truly innocent accused doesn't need a lawyer like Johnny Cochran
to "get them off." All they need is a minimally competent one to
ascertain the facts, and sadly that is not always the case.

Johnny Cochran was an expensive expert trial lawyer, whom the general
public, correctly or incorrectly, trust and respect about as much as
used car or insurance salesmen - or politicians.

The Duke lacrosse players ran into a different problem: the truly
rare case of an abuse of power by a despicable rogue prosecutor
running for political office. Who, by the way, is the "real killer"
and will likely lose his law license and go bankrupt from the civil
suits the wrongly accused will bring against him. And rightly so.


Dick Pound, anyone?

I mean, WADA have been deliberately leaking or announcing information
prejudicial to Landis' case in just the same way that Nifong (prosecutor
in the Duke case) is alleged to have done. In that sense, the two cases
are similar. They're similar in more ways than that. Rich kids reputedly
commonly do get drunk and misbehave sexually. On the face of it the Duke
rape allegation was likely (I haven't read enough to form a view as to
whether the accused really were innocent). Similarly, professional
cyclists reputedly commonly do take performance enhancing drugs. So the
public is likely to believe the accusations, particularly if the
prosecutor plays to the gallery.

Personally, I believe Landis is guilty; I'm not certain, but I think he is.
But I am certain that Dick Pound is a lot guiltier, and one of the things
he's guilty of is bringing the whole process of drug testing into
disrepute.

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Old May 23rd 07, 09:15 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
Doug Taylor
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On Wed, 23 May 2007 20:11:11 +0100, Simon Brooke
wrote:

Personally, I believe Landis is guilty; I'm not certain, but I think he is.
But I am certain that Dick Pound is a lot guiltier, and one of the things
he's guilty of is bringing the whole process of drug testing into
disrepute.


So, back to O.J.: Dick Pound, like the L.A.P.D., has framed a guilty
man?

Either way, Landis is guilty and professional cycling has an out of
control drug problem.

 




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