Commentary: Cleared or not, Landis is a loser

Donald Munro wrote:
Sandy wrote:
Being slightly more modern and solitary, Landis said at the hearing that he
was curious and looked up drugs on the internet. Really!

I think I should look up making love on the Internet.

If you choose to make love on the internet, please keep the link private.

"Howard Kveck" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Dan Gregory wrote:

Caroline wrote:

Name ONE team director, administrator, trainer, physician, whatever,
who
has had sanctions placed against him or who has been banned from the
sport.

Manolo Saez

Don't forget Bruno Roussel and Willy Voet from Festina.

I thought Voet had gotten a job, albeit possibly a nonpaying one, as a
driver of a team bus on a low level French pro team. Not a job in any
soigneur type capacity like he formerly had, though.

wrote in message
ps.com...
On May 25, 12:55 pm, "Sandy" wrote:

Your forest is really a speck. Last year, according to (my memory and)
the
anti-doping prosecutor in Italy, 600 million euros of fake prescription
drugs were sold, for purposes such as cycling doping. So, get the pharma
companies, the distributors, drug stores (yes, the licensed ones), your
neighbor (who could be a dirty drug dealer), etc.


Holy crap. 600 million euros of _fake_ drugs? How many
of real drugs? At that rate, cracking down on doping could
ruin the economy! WADA and the narco police must be
stopped! Well, okay, the GDP of Italy is about a trillion
euros, so fake drugs are only 1/1600 of the _total_ economy,
but it still seems high. I hope at least some of those
are being sold to gym rats, bodybuilders, and footy
players, because if they're all going to guys doping for
granfondos, we are truly into excessive Masters Fatties
spending territory.

Another way of looking at it is that Fuentes faxed Haven
and Tyler an invoice for about $54,000. The 600 million
figure suggests about 10,000 Tylers (10,000 people spending
as much as Tyler, that is. To Tyler's credit, if
Fuentes was on the up-and-up, Tyler was getting the real
deal, not 600 million Euros of fake stuff.) That's
rather a lot larger than the Euro peleton. I'll guess it's
still larger than the number of granfondo riders that
are on a serious program.


Remind me again how much Frigo paid for that bag of water?

In article , "Carl Sundquist"
wrote:

"Howard Kveck" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Dan Gregory wrote:

Caroline wrote:

Name ONE team director, administrator, trainer, physician, whatever,
who has had sanctions placed against him or who has been banned from the
sport.

Manolo Saez

Don't forget Bruno Roussel and Willy Voet from Festina.

I thought Voet had gotten a job, albeit possibly a nonpaying one, as a
driver of a team bus on a low level French pro team. Not a job in any
soigneur type capacity like he formerly had, though.

Well, that's way better than being reduced to driving a cab. Oh, wait...

--
tanx,
Howard

Never take a tenant with a monkey.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Dans le message de ps.com,
a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré
:
On May 25, 12:55 pm, "Sandy" wrote:

Your forest is really a speck. Last year, according to (my memory
and) the anti-doping prosecutor in Italy, 600 million euros of fake
prescription drugs were sold, for purposes such as cycling doping.
So, get the pharma companies, the distributors, drug stores (yes,
the licensed ones), your neighbor (who could be a dirty drug
dealer), etc.


Holy crap. 600 million euros of _fake_ drugs? How many
of real drugs? At that rate, cracking down on doping could
ruin the economy! WADA and the narco police must be
stopped! Well, okay, the GDP of Italy is about a trillion
euros, so fake drugs are only 1/1600 of the _total_ economy,
but it still seems high. I hope at least some of those
are being sold to gym rats, bodybuilders, and footy
players, because if they're all going to guys doping for
granfondos, we are truly into excessive Masters Fatties
spending territory.

Another way of looking at it is that Fuentes faxed Haven
and Tyler an invoice for about $54,000. The 600 million
figure suggests about 10,000 Tylers (10,000 people spending
as much as Tyler, that is. To Tyler's credit, if
Fuentes was on the up-and-up, Tyler was getting the real
deal, not 600 million Euros of fake stuff.) That's
rather a lot larger than the Euro peleton. I'll guess it's
still larger than the number of granfondo riders that
are on a serious program.

Ben
Follow the money.

I wrote rather inexpertly - sorry.
The drugs were not fake ; the prescriptions were ; the drugs were real and
not unlicensed imports.

Carl Sundquist wrote:
Remind me again how much Frigo paid for that bag of water?

He thought it was mineral water.

Fred Fredburger wrote:
If you choose to make love on the internet, please keep the link private.

I'm planning on being rbr first online porn star if I can persuade
Bassos's sister to co-star.

Caroline a écrit :
"Sandy" wrote in message
...

Dans le message de news:nYA5i.8476$TU1.2500@trnddc07,
Caroline a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

wrote in message
oups.com...

On May 25, 5:34 am, "Caroline" wrote:


I hate what the directeurs sportif and trainers have done to
cycling with their doping. I have known cyclists who were doped
without their knowing it
because the team honchos came to them with "vitamins" they needed. All
of
the cycling governing agencies are going after the wrong people
when they go
after the athletes.

dumbass,

that babe in the woods act is bull****.

this is aldag's quote :

"About four of us sat on the curb during one of the Grand Tours,"
began Aldag, referring to his 1994 season. "We had been totally
dropped and couldn't keep up. What could we do? I started thinking
about doping and asked around."


So he was too damned stupid to think, "Man, something's gotta be
wrong with my training program..."

The bottom line here, in my opinion, is that doping could NOT get to
where it is today through athletes alone. Now, are there lazy people
who want to win the Tour without working? You betcha! And there
always will be. But I don't know of any doping shops where you have
to show your UCI or USCF or whatever federation license in order to
buy their goods. And I do know cyclists who were pushed into it by
their team's trainers and coaches. Once a trainer or a coach is
proven to have promoted or assisted or facilitated doping, that
person should be banned from the sport for life.
Caroline

Are you occasionally beset by a forgiveness and remediation mode, or is
this you more or less always ?



LOL! You're cute. No, I'm a mean bitch who rides a broom and chases down
Cat 5s for drafting on road ref vehicles! '-(

Seriously, I love the sport. I'll be having nine or ten guys spend the
weekend here for the criterium races in the DFW area this weekend. So
SOMETIMES I'm one of the good guys....

But!!!

Name ONE team director, administrator, trainer, physician, whatever, who has
had sanctions placed against him or who has been banned from the sport.
Guys today who think about doping and wonder if it can improve their
performance are extremely late comers to the game! Which is WHY they know
about it. For the years that doping -- drugs, blood boosting, whatever --
has been around, it's always the athletes who are punished. With very few
exceptions, there aren't a whole lot of riders who know how to get into this
stuff without help. At the elite levels, Cat 1s through Pro ranks, my
observation is that they get the stuff through team connecctions. So how
come the axe always falls on the athlete's neck? It is my observation that
you guys at the elite level are treated like a commodity. If "they" can
enhance your performance with doping and you get caught, YOU get punished,
but there are a lot more new riders coming up through the ranks. I don't
think that's the way things should be done. That's all. Feel free to
disagree.

Caroline



http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/breve...182639Dev.html


Just one person, one day, today.
There are lots.

Donald Munro wrote:
Fred Fredburger wrote:
If you choose to make love on the internet, please keep the link private.

I'm planning on being rbr first online porn star if I can persuade
Bassos's sister to co-star.

Jabber or jabbee ?

Stu Fleming wrote:
Jabber or jabbee ?

Jabberwocky.