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Somehow No One Seems To Think
"SLAVE of THE STATE" wrote in message
... You're assumming that any existing debt could not be restructured, or that new producers would not step in after foreclosures and resales. I don't see why (or why not), and so don't agree. Look, after a company achieves a certain size, if it goes bankrupt the economic fallout makes the entire economy unpredictable. Far better to "save" these companies. What's more, all we provided were guarantees to the creditors and in the end Chrysler handled everything themselves and we paid nothing but attention. You could say that about almost any human interaction, but property rights and voluntary trade are not examples of social defects, but success. Voluntary (peaceful) trade implicitly tells us that property rights are a social meme as old as the hills. It is one aspect of human (social) nature. Human nature being what it is you need to keep a close watch over that heart of mine. Or more succinctly - trust but varify because not all humans are honorable. |
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Putting your treasure where your mouth is/chickenhawks
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 05:38:03 -0700 (PDT), Bill C
wrote: On Apr 16, 3:01*am, Howard Kveck wrote: This is a point that lots of anti-war folks make, and while I think they go way to far, they've got a good solid start on an argument. http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/War_Terr...322241-ap.html Son of newly appointed Dutch military chief among 2 dead in Afghanistan By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS The we had Harry pulling grunt duty, not REMF, photo-op BS, and proud of that in Afghanistan: http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/ne...00/7271091.stm I remember seeing some of the Democratic leaderships kids being over there for us, you'd think that the Neo-Con folks would've encouraged their kids to serve, and there in particular. Seems to be MIA as a philosophy though except for McCain, and he couls easily say that he paid enough for the family's debt to this great country, but doesn't. Doesn't even have to be military service, go over with a humanitarian group, help the rebuilding and see, touch, hear, and smell the reality of what's going on. Not sure if I'll have one, or two kids "punch the ticket" with military service, and if not they'll find other ways to do it by service to those who are in need. Daughter is totally anti- Hillary because she wants to be first as a woman Pres. Not sure that a gun shooting, pro-military, vegetarian, sport bike riding, cycling, pierced, tattooed, theater/dance minor, Pagan Lawyer who's militant on human and civil rights from Mass. is electable though, especially if she gets the transfer to Smith for next year. The Massachusetts thing is a deal killer. She'll have to relocate to some other part of the country and adopt the accent before running. Otherwise, she's perfect. I'm already convinced I'd rather vote for her than Bammy or Hill. And most of you folks think I'm a bit odd... Seriously though I have to respect and the other folks out there who were, and are willing to put their greatest treasures in harms way. Bill C |
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Somehow No One Seems To Think
On Apr 18, 7:48*pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
"SLAVE of THE STATE" wrote in ... Voluntary (peaceful) trade implicitly tells us that property rights are a social meme as old as the hills. It is one aspect of human (social) nature. Human nature being what it is you need to keep a close watch over that heart of mine. Or more succinctly - trust but varify because not all humans are honorable. No kidding: that is why I made a special point to include the language of "one aspect." The power aspect of human nature does not seem mysterious to anyone, or it does not appear that way in any talk I listen too. What does seem mysterious to many is what is socially balanced against power: the social principle of liberty and its offshoots like property rights. I view a lot of discussion as heavily biased on the power aspect, and therefore I bias my counters to instead focus on the power balancing/ tensioning aspect of liberty. Therefore, my individual positions (taken together) have an appearance of undue focus on that one aspect. But I do that to restore a collective equilibrium, since people have no compunction about affecting me with their notions. This means that whatever I say (which) appears to be the words of an unbalanced individual is actually everyone else's fault. {laughs} |
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