Sometime Back I Warned about Absentee Ballots as the Bane of Democracy...

news18 wrote:
On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 14:08:18 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:

On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 1:36:50 PM UTC-8, news18 wrote:
On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 12:37:23 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:

On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 11:32:28 AM UTC-8,
wrote:

Well to be honest with you Tom, I don't believe that. According
to your standards I'm living my whole life under a
'socialist/communist' regime and it happens that the Dutch are
among the happiest, most satisfied people in the world. What I
saw in the last 4 years in the USA was a big mess, and still is.
What you are spewing here doesn't help, au contraire.
Have a nice day.
Then you're too young to remember that the Dutch were not
particularly unhappy during the German occupation.
Yes I was too young and so were you. I'm from the cold war period
and spent my time in the military at the East German border. What a
paranoid time was that. Glad Mr Trump wasn't president at that time.

I was in the military with guys that were there.
So, ~25 years later, these guys, who passed through Belgium on Monty's
shirt tails during WWII, were still in the US military and willing to
discuss their war stories with an airman of the lowest rank?
For that matter ask the Belgians.
Every country has collaborators but for many it was just survival.
You are a collaborator. You learn knocked down and beat a woman in her
front yard in before her children for not wearing a mask and you agreed
with your government. You have absolutely no excuse when they come for
you. you are lower than the dirt on the ground.

Lol, another TOMMY LIE is uncovered.
And Tommy posts another lie by conflating two different events.
BTW, Australia has on had 907 deaths from Covid-19, where as your countr
has over 230,000 so far because not wearing masks s seen as an utimate.
civil liberty. FFS, Trump rallies have killed neary as many as have dies
in Australia.



“Live free and/or die!�

On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 21:18:26 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 11/13/2020 7:46 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 19:02:46 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 11/13/2020 6:22 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 20:57:56 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 07:43:45 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:

On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 11:44:57 PM UTC-8, news18 wrote:
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 19:07:03 -0600, AMuzi wrote:


We'll see. IMHO Trump won Wisconsin until Mr Barrett piled in his own
tranche of 'special' ballots late in the night.
Are you seekingto prove tommy is intelligent?
Please explain that.
AFAIK, no one has voted after pols closed.
All that has happened, as it always does is that vote counting has
continued to take place until all votes are counted.
In the decades of watching the count come it, it is common, in close
seats, for the person with the greatest number of votes to vary over
the days/days. It sn't over to tall the votes are counted.

Further, it is typical for various voting booths to favour certain
party candidates, at each election, s if the ovtes for that booth are
not counted first, then a boost will go to one or other candidates.

Tell us all you moron - what DO you know about American elections? You
don't even see what is coming in Australia.

Vote counting is vote counting the world over.

Unlike the residents of the USA, I can read detailed accurate reports
from various sources as to what is really going on, unlike the mouth
frothing rants of refuse you spew that you go on with.

Face it, TRUMP LOST comprehensively. Biden has a clear majority(not
subject to automatic recount) ins enough states to give him the electoral
college vote to be formally declared the next President of the USA.

The really good thing is wen he is an ex-president, the law sutes its
will follow.


And Tom's hero just lost another state. They just recounted the votes
in Georgia and Bidon won again.

I don't think that's correct. They're not supposed to finish the hand
recount until Tuesday or thereabouts.

Well, to paraphrase Will Rogers, "all I know is what I see on the TV".
https://news.abs-cbn.com/overseas/11...s-trump-at-232

I should add that the official win/loss decision takes place in
January and become official on 6 January with the formal counting of
votes by the congress.

Unless, of course there is an argument :-)

OK, on digging further, they did certify Biden as the winner.

I was right in that they haven't finished the manual (and mandatory, by
GA law) recount. But I was wrong in thinking the certification came only
after the recount.


But the official vote isn't until the Congress counts the electoral
votes. I read somewhere that if the Congress can't agree that there is
a procedure for the Speaker of the House to become acting president.

In other news, the Republican party just announced it also wants a
manual recount of the 1936 presidential election. They swear Alf Landon
really won it.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 03:59:51 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
wrote:

John B. wrote:
On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 14:15:04 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 1:36:50 PM UTC-8, news18 wrote:
On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 12:37:23 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:

On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 11:32:28 AM UTC-8,
wrote:

Well to be honest with you Tom, I don't believe that. According to
your standards I'm living my whole life under a
'socialist/communist' regime and it happens that the Dutch are
among the happiest, most satisfied people in the world. What I saw
in the last 4 years in the USA was a big mess, and still is. What
you are spewing here doesn't help, au contraire.
Have a nice day.
Then you're too young to remember that the Dutch were not
particularly unhappy during the German occupation.
Yes I was too young and so were you. I'm from the cold war period and
spent my time in the military at the East German border. What a
paranoid time was that. Glad Mr Trump wasn't president at that time.

I was in the military with guys that were there.
So, ~25 years later, these guys, who passed through Belgium on Monty's
shirt tails during WWII, were still in the US military and willing to
discuss their war stories with an airman of the lowest rank?
For that matter ask the Belgians.
Every country has collaborators but for many it was just survival.
By the way, you should show your education more often. I was in the
military less than 18 years after WWII and the people in the Air Force
that were leftover - that had no place to go home to - stayed in for 30
years. The sheer outright ignorance of you Aussies demonstrates quite
clearly that you were lying through your teeth when you claimed to be an EE.


Well, that is the story you tell but the evidence that you put forth
tells us that you don't know a damned thing about the military. You
even concocted an imaginary Air Force to claim service in. No Tommy,
you were one of the brave American youths that fled the country to
Canada to avoid serving your country.

Hey John. Don’t you be dissing Canada.

I'm not. One of my best friends is from Canada, although he is from
out west somewhere and doesn't speak French :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

Ralph Barone, mockingly:

“Live free and/or die!�

Ralph, don't you have your well-worn Che Guevara t-shirt proudly framed on
the bedroom ceiling, or at least hanging on the shop wall? Don't you even
know some Spanish?


--
Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness,
https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/10517612-3x2-940x627.jpg

On 14/11/2020 01:46, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 19:02:46 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 11/13/2020 6:22 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 20:57:56 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 07:43:45 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:

On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 11:44:57 PM UTC-8, news18 wrote:
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 19:07:03 -0600, AMuzi wrote:


We'll see. IMHO Trump won Wisconsin until Mr Barrett piled in his own
tranche of 'special' ballots late in the night.
Are you seekingto prove tommy is intelligent?
Please explain that.
AFAIK, no one has voted after pols closed.
All that has happened, as it always does is that vote counting has
continued to take place until all votes are counted.
In the decades of watching the count come it, it is common, in close
seats, for the person with the greatest number of votes to vary over
the days/days. It sn't over to tall the votes are counted.

Further, it is typical for various voting booths to favour certain
party candidates, at each election, s if the ovtes for that booth are
not counted first, then a boost will go to one or other candidates.

Tell us all you moron - what DO you know about American elections? You
don't even see what is coming in Australia.

Vote counting is vote counting the world over.

Unlike the residents of the USA, I can read detailed accurate reports
from various sources as to what is really going on, unlike the mouth
frothing rants of refuse you spew that you go on with.

Face it, TRUMP LOST comprehensively. Biden has a clear majority(not
subject to automatic recount) ins enough states to give him the electoral
college vote to be formally declared the next President of the USA.

The really good thing is wen he is an ex-president, the law sutes its
will follow.


And Tom's hero just lost another state. They just recounted the votes
in Georgia and Bidon won again.

I don't think that's correct. They're not supposed to finish the hand
recount until Tuesday or thereabouts.

Well, to paraphrase Will Rogers, "all I know is what I see on the TV".
https://news.abs-cbn.com/overseas/11...s-trump-at-232

I should add that the official win/loss decision takes place in
January and become official on 6 January with the formal counting of
votes by the congress.

Don't they announce the results Dec 20th or thereabouts?

Unless, of course there is an argument :-)

On 14/11/2020 03:06, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/13/2020 6:43 PM, Sepp Ruf wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/13/2020 6:22 PM, John B. wrote:

They just recounted the votes in Georgia and Bidon won again.

I don't think that's correct.

Yup, the more correct spelling is "Bidet."


That can't be right.
Bidets solve a problem and remove filth.

Whatever happened to "Drain The Swamp"? Did he get enough of his family
and friends in to accomplish it?

On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 18:58:29 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 11/13/2020 6:03 PM, John B. wrote:


What is the Golden Goon going to do next?

Actually, he's looking less golden recently.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...her-day-trump-
hair-215602332.html

There's speculation his hair stylist may have quit or been fired.

Probably suffering from Covid-19 like all his security details, but has
to suffer without all the wonder drugs he was able to obtain.

On 11/14/2020 4:33 AM, Tosspot wrote:
On 14/11/2020 01:46, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 19:02:46 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 11/13/2020 6:22 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 20:57:56 -0000 (UTC), news18

wrote:

On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 07:43:45 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:

On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 11:44:57 PM UTC-8,
news18 wrote:
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 19:07:03 -0600, AMuzi wrote:


We'll see. IMHO Trump won Wisconsin until Mr Barrett
piled in his own
tranche of 'special' ballots late in the night.
Are you seekingto prove tommy is intelligent?
Please explain that.
AFAIK, no one has voted after pols closed.
All that has happened, as it always does is that vote
counting has
continued to take place until all votes are counted.
In the decades of watching the count come it, it is
common, in close
seats, for the person with the greatest number of
votes to vary over
the days/days. It sn't over to tall the votes are
counted.

Further, it is typical for various voting booths to
favour certain
party candidates, at each election, s if the ovtes
for that booth are
not counted first, then a boost will go to one or
other candidates.

Tell us all you moron - what DO you know about
American elections? You
don't even see what is coming in Australia.

Vote counting is vote counting the world over.

Unlike the residents of the USA, I can read detailed
accurate reports
from various sources as to what is really going on,
unlike the mouth
frothing rants of refuse you spew that you go on with.

Face it, TRUMP LOST comprehensively. Biden has a clear
majority(not
subject to automatic recount) ins enough states to give
him the electoral
college vote to be formally declared the next President
of the USA.

The really good thing is wen he is an ex-president, the
law sutes its
will follow.


And Tom's hero just lost another state. They just
recounted the votes
in Georgia and Bidon won again.

I don't think that's correct. They're not supposed to
finish the hand
recount until Tuesday or thereabouts.

Well, to paraphrase Will Rogers, "all I know is what I see
on the TV".
https://news.abs-cbn.com/overseas/11...s-trump-at-232


I should add that the official win/loss decision takes
place in
January and become official on 6 January with the formal
counting of
votes by the congress.

Don't they announce the results Dec 20th or thereabouts?

Unless, of course there is an argument :-)



The various Secretaries of State certify their elections
between 20 November and 1 December. Electors are then
chosen. Electors convene and vote 14 December. Their votes
are tallied by the new Congress on 6 January. Inauguration
is 20 January.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 11/13/2020 9:31 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/13/2020 8:18 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/13/2020 7:46 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 19:02:46 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 11/13/2020 6:22 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 20:57:56 -0000 (UTC), news18

wrote:

On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 07:43:45 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:

On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 11:44:57 PM UTC-8,
news18 wrote:
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 19:07:03 -0600, AMuzi wrote:


We'll see. IMHO Trump won Wisconsin until Mr Barrett
piled in his own
tranche of 'special' ballots late in the night.
Are you seekingto prove tommy is intelligent?
Please explain that.
AFAIK, no one has voted after pols closed.
All that has happened, as it always does is that vote
counting has
continued to take place until all votes are counted.
In the decades of watching the count come it, it is
common, in close
seats, for the person with the greatest number of
votes to vary over
the days/days. It sn't over to tall the votes are
counted.

Further, it is typical for various voting booths to
favour certain
party candidates, at each election, s if the ovtes
for that booth are
not counted first, then a boost will go to one or
other candidates.

Tell us all you moron - what DO you know about
American elections? You
don't even see what is coming in Australia.

Vote counting is vote counting the world over.

Unlike the residents of the USA, I can read detailed
accurate reports
from various sources as to what is really going on,
unlike the mouth
frothing rants of refuse you spew that you go on with.

Face it, TRUMP LOST comprehensively. Biden has a clear
majority(not
subject to automatic recount) ins enough states to give
him the electoral
college vote to be formally declared the next President
of the USA.

The really good thing is wen he is an ex-president, the
law sutes its
will follow.


And Tom's hero just lost another state. They just
recounted the votes
in Georgia and Bidon won again.

I don't think that's correct. They're not supposed to
finish the hand
recount until Tuesday or thereabouts.

Well, to paraphrase Will Rogers, "all I know is what I see
on the TV".
https://news.abs-cbn.com/overseas/11...s-trump-at-232



I should add that the official win/loss decision takes
place in
January and become official on 6 January with the formal
counting of
votes by the congress.

Unless, of course there is an argument :-)

OK, on digging further, they did certify Biden as the winner.

I was right in that they haven't finished the manual (and
mandatory, by GA law) recount. But I was wrong in thinking
the certification came only after the recount.

In other news, the Republican party just announced it also
wants a manual recount of the 1936 presidential election.
They swear Alf Landon really won it.


It's not judgmental or capricious. It's statutory. Georgia Secretary of
State certifies on 20 November, Wisconsin on 1 December, other States on
various dates within that range.

OK, the _counties_ have apparently certified the results. The Georgia
Secretary of State has not done so yet.

Some newsturd's opinion is not 'certification'.

Was the crudity really necessary?

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 11/13/2020 10:00 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/13/2020 8:31 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/13/2020 8:03 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:

well with all of your military knowledge why don't you
move to the beautiful people's republic of China? Seem to
me that they would give anything to get someone with the
knowledge that you keep hidden in your arm pit.+

That's a really weird thing to say, Tom. John has never
given any clue he's dissatisfied with his current residence
or living conditions.

Come to think of it, I don't recall anyone here complaining
much about their neighborhood, their financial condition,
their expenses, their employment history or much of anything
else. Only you have moaned and raged about all of those.

Seems if anyone should move, it should be you! You're better
off leaving that hell hole.

[raises hand] I did. So I moved.

Many of my neighbors thought I was nuts but the ones who didn't leave
saw their businesses destroyed.

Whether it's to your credit or to my bad memory, I don't remember much
complaining from you. I do remember you saying you were moving.

I've since talked with some including my former next door neighbor, a
1980 immigrant, who said he thought I was bonkers but then 3 years later
was glad to sell out and leave as well. If Tom's waiting for enlightened
leadership in Oakland, he ought to rethink that.

Tom is such a paragon of intelligence. _HE_ should be providing the
enlightened leadership - even if it's leading the exodus.

--
- Frank Krygowski