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The Gerry Attrick bike: Mixte or Bent?
"Tom Sherman" wrote in message ... [...] Yes, the Dutch are the tallest people in the world on the average, so Chalo is merely huge instead of gigantic by their standards. The Dutch are also the ugliest people in the world bar none. However, the Danes are not far behind. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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The Gerry Attrick bike: Mixte or Bent?
Edward Dolan wrote:
"Tom Sherman" wrote in message ... [...] Yes, the Dutch are the tallest people in the world on the average, so Chalo is merely huge instead of gigantic by their standards. The Dutch are also the ugliest people in the world bar none. However, the Danes are not far behind. butbutbut [1], the Dutch make the best looking bicycles: e.g. http://www.challenge-recumbents.com/html/index.php?taal=en&selectie=recumbentmodels. [1] Gratuitous gdanielsism. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia "And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people." - A. Derleth |
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Who's depressing, was The Gerry Attrick bike: Mixte or Bent?
On Feb 1, 9:06*pm, Chalo wrote:
You might have a point, though, about the depressing nature of traditional Dutch bikes:http://www.flickr.com/photos/cleverchimp/1589947928 Eh, I saw a vividly striking woman in elegant dress sitting on a stately bicycle. Charming. I thought perhaps I was looking at the wrong picture, so I clicked on the right to see a show of further photographs. Smiling people, bikes in earth colours. Nothing "depressing" about it. What I found depressing was the intimation of mortality in you looking for an opa-fiets, Chalo, not the opafiets itself. Actually, there're a couple of other things I find depressing. One is that the bike shop owners I know never smile and their customers don't either. The other is that whenever I see a peloton of guys hanging over their drops, or a single cycling by, there's never a single smile of enjoyment. Chalo Why do cyclists have to look like suicides waiting for a place to happen? Andre Jute http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...20CYCLING.html |
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The Gerry Attrick bike: Mixte or Bent?
On Feb 1, 10:51*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"Andre Jute" wrote in message ... Peter Clinch wrote: Andre Jute wrote: In considering ordering a custom stainless frame to see me out, I thought of the top tube and the obstruction it might be in time, when after the nth hip replacement I can no longer swing my leg over the saddle. Or of course, leglifting might be become non-PC and outlawed, and bicyclists will be hunted through the streets with smokers. Plenty of high performance bikes with low stepovers. My interest isn't in high performance bikes even now that I'm whole and and hale and hearty. One suspects that with advancing years one's interest will focus even more closely on comfort and utility. If you are not interested in high performance recumbents, then why the hell are you bothering with the likes of Tom Sherman and Peter Clinch, two nut cases who have never had a sensible thought about anything. But. Ed. they are my kind of constructive nut cases while you appear to be a destructive nut case. [...] Recumbents have other serious problems. I was never a bike racer, so I never learned to pull on the upstroke and I'm not planning on learning now. Cleats and shoecages and straps are a nuisance I don't need. I get off my bike and walk up hills or into the library, so I just wear fairly stiffsoled street shoes. The thing I learned about recumbents in those half-dozen rides is encapsulated in something truly shiver- making that Tom Sherman said when he mentioned riders "trained" for riding recumbents. I don't fancy retraining for cycling, an activity I consider should be fun rather than a socially acceptable form of sado- masochism. What kind of nut are you anyway? Full forty score on the Hare scale. Beware. Recumbents are made for folks like you! There is no "training" involved other than learning how to sit on your dead ass, something that we are all world class experts at. Tom Sherman and Peter Clinch are nut cases. They always have been and they always will be. Very funny that you haven't been able to figure this out on your own! But I did, Ed. I merely didn't need to say so. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota Yes, I can see why you mother founded the Order of the Perpetual Sorrows. Andre Jute St Andre the Patient |
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The Gerry Attrick bike: Mixte or Bent?
On Feb 2, 12:57*am, Tom Sherman
wrote: Ozark Bicycle wrote: On Jan 31, 10:35 pm, Tom Sherman wrote: ... The CF will likely be slower than the road bicycle but considerably more comfortable. Hmmm.....I do not find my "road bicycles" at all uncomfortable. And I wouldn't expect a CF to be "fast", I have others for that purpose. Well, one would generally expect regular cyclists to not have too much problem with comfort - after all, true masochists are rare. Regular cyclists are a biased (statistically speaking) sample when it comes to judging the comfort of bicycles. Despite the protestations of certain parties, I believe that there are people out there who would be cyclists except for comfort issues; therefore there is a market out there for something more comfortable than a conventional upright, but is not as different as a recumbent. If a substantial number of these people could be served with CF bicycles, it would be of great benefit to cycling in general. I used to wonder about that. But now I think there are a great many other factors necessary for a bike revival missing, among a fuller list that you no doubt know better than I do: general public attitude to cycling (indifferent tending dangerous among the motoring public), political clout of cyclists (zero), the growth of cycling facilities (miniscule). The proof of my statement is clearly evident in the fact that during the last fifteen or twenty years of economic boom closely aligned to the environmental boom bicycling, surely an environmentally friendly form of transport, did not outstrip economic growth by multiples (Gofer Google, Carl -- bring us the relative growth statistics). -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia "And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people." - A. Derleth Andre Jute "Garbage in, garbage out." -- Programmer's warning. "Wiki in, wiki out." -- Al Marcy. |
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The Gerry Attrick bike: Mixte or Bent?
On Feb 2, 1:44*am, Tom Sherman
wrote: Andre Jute wrote: ... Recumbents have other serious problems. I was never a bike racer, so I never learned to pull on the upstroke and I'm not planning on learning now. Cleats and shoecages and straps are a nuisance I don't need. * That is why I am such a fan of Power Grips for utilitarian bicycles - inexpensive, effective and bloody simple to use: http://powergrips.mrpbike.com/pg_benefits.shtml. Power Grips work well on both uprights and recumbents with relatively low bottom brackets (near seat height or less). The most annoying thing about Power Grips is the "why didn't I think of that?" factor. I don't think I'll ever use them, but they are certainly a lot more user-friendly than some other kinds of foot-restraint. This brings us to another reason I don't expect a cycling revival. It is that cyclists have painted themselves into a corner of insane exclusivity, and not a desirable exclusivity at all. They have done this by special postures and special clothes and making spoken and unspoken demands that theirs be recognized as the only way which the general public will not wear and have no intention of adopting themselves. Cyclists and their activity would have to be much, much more attractive to Jo- Anne Public for her to join in or to be happy when her husband joins in. (Those who think the previous sentence is strangely formed have not understood that we live in a matriarchy; that explains why they can't get a woman and also why they are cyclists.) I get off my bike and walk up hills or into the library, so I just wear fairly stiffsoled street shoes. The thing I learned about recumbents in those half-dozen rides is encapsulated in something truly shiver- making that Tom Sherman said when he mentioned riders "trained" for riding recumbents. I don't fancy retraining for cycling, an activity I consider should be fun rather than a socially acceptable form of sado- masochism. Injury type pain is no fun. Hammering until one is exhausted is fun. As always, your mileage may vary. My mileage defintely varies. Downwards. I am not tempted to race Nick up an Alpine mountain! Thanks for sharing your expertise, Pete. Pete. Andre Jute Man is an upright ape for compelling reasons I like having my feet higher that what I am sitting on. My ideal bicycle has the bottom bracket about 25 cm above seat height. I don't mind my feet higher than my seat when I'm watching a movie. It's when I'm watching a woman who till last year drove a 2CV, and that not very well, bear down on me in a Range Rover that's more in control of her than she of it, that I starting hoping that St Peter remembers I'm a Calvinist with a reserved place. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia "And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people." - A. Derleth Andre Jute By definition you can't be paranoid if you're a cyclist. Millions of people in automobiles are out to get you. |
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The Gerry Attrick bike: Mixte or Bent?
On Feb 2, 1:50*am, Tom Sherman
wrote: Chalo "99.99th percentile" Colina wrote: Andre Jute wrote: Then I thought of the opa/oma Dutch bikes, which are low stepthrough styles for ladies of a certain age and uncertain future. That was just too depressing. (Chalo is looking for one...) For what it's worth, opafietsen have top tubes. *They have higher standover than any up-to-date bike frame of equivalent size, in fact. http://www.workcycles.com/workbike/b...azor/workcycle... Here's the size that interests me: http://www.workcycles.com/workbike/b...azor/workcycle... Yes, the Dutch are the tallest people in the world on the average, so Chalo is merely huge instead of gigantic by their standards. You might have a point, though, about the depressing nature of traditional Dutch bikes: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cleverchimp/1589947928 What brand of pannier? Jasmin. That colour is sold out but you can still have the seagreen: http://cgi.ebay.nl/Fietstas-Fiets-Ta...QQcmdZViewItem Andre Jute (standing in for the googlebug Carl Fogel, who's gone AWOL) -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia "And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people." - A. Derleth |
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"Andre Jute" wrote in message ... [Quotation marks are messed up and from Google Groups as usual!] On Feb 1, 10:51 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: "Andre Jute" wrote in message ... Peter Clinch wrote: Andre Jute wrote: In considering ordering a custom stainless frame to see me out, I thought of the top tube and the obstruction it might be in time, when after the nth hip replacement I can no longer swing my leg over the saddle. Or of course, leglifting might be become non-PC and outlawed, and bicyclists will be hunted through the streets with smokers. Plenty of high performance bikes with low stepovers. My interest isn't in high performance bikes even now that I'm whole and and hale and hearty. One suspects that with advancing years one's interest will focus even more closely on comfort and utility. If you are not interested in high performance recumbents, then why the hell are you bothering with the likes of Tom Sherman and Peter Clinch, two nut cases who have never had a sensible thought about anything. But. Ed. they are my kind of constructive nut cases while you appear to be a destructive nut case. They are only humoring you for the moment and will turn on you when you least expect it. At least I am consistently nasty and unpleasant. You can always count on me! [...] Recumbents have other serious problems. I was never a bike racer, so I never learned to pull on the upstroke and I'm not planning on learning now. Cleats and shoecages and straps are a nuisance I don't need. I get off my bike and walk up hills or into the library, so I just wear fairly stiffsoled street shoes. The thing I learned about recumbents in those half-dozen rides is encapsulated in something truly shiver- making that Tom Sherman said when he mentioned riders "trained" for riding recumbents. I don't fancy retraining for cycling, an activity I consider should be fun rather than a socially acceptable form of sado- masochism. What kind of nut are you anyway? Full forty score on the Hare scale. Beware. Recumbents are made for folks like you! There is no "training" involved other than learning how to sit on your dead ass, something that we are all world class experts at. Tom Sherman and Peter Clinch are nut cases. They always have been and they always will be. Very funny that you haven't been able to figure this out on your own! But I did, Ed. I merely didn't need to say so. But you have to say so because their denseness is off the human scale. How else will they ever get a clue? Trust me on this. I have been dealing with these two nut cases for years and know whereof I speak. You can get a hint about them from their confounded signatures. Now my signature on the other hand is just so sane and so right. It tells you all you will ever have to know about me! Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota Yes, I can see why your mother founded the Order of the Perpetual Sorrows. PS. Only a select few wise and holy men can ever be admitted to my Order - and never any women. They are just not sorrowful enough, the result of not having any brains. |
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The Gerry Attrick bike: Mixte or Bent?
Andre Jute wrote:
On Feb 2, 1:44 am, Tom Sherman wrote: Andre Jute wrote: ... Recumbents have other serious problems. I was never a bike racer, so I never learned to pull on the upstroke and I'm not planning on learning now. Cleats and shoecages and straps are a nuisance I don't need. That is why I am such a fan of Power Grips for utilitarian bicycles - inexpensive, effective and bloody simple to use: http://powergrips.mrpbike.com/pg_benefits.shtml. Power Grips work well on both uprights and recumbents with relatively low bottom brackets (near seat height or less). The most annoying thing about Power Grips is the "why didn't I think of that?" factor. I don't think I'll ever use them, but they are certainly a lot more user-friendly than some other kinds of foot-restraint. This brings us to another reason I don't expect a cycling revival. It is that cyclists have painted themselves into a corner of insane exclusivity, and not a desirable exclusivity at all. Yes, it is unfortunate that these people lack self confidence to the point where that have to join an ultra-conformist group that attempts to build itself up by denigrating others. There used to be an excellent parody of this type on rec.bicycles.misc that went by "Fabrizio Mazzoleni". "Fabby" is missed. They have done this by special postures and special clothes and making spoken and unspoken demands that theirs be recognized as the only way which the general public will not wear and have no intention of adopting themselves. Cyclists and their activity would have to be much, much more attractive to Jo- Anne Public for her to join in or to be happy when her husband joins in. (Those who think the previous sentence is strangely formed have not understood that we live in a matriarchy; that explains why they can't get a woman and also why they are cyclists.) If a man is smart, he does not get entangled with a woman financially or legally. That way, when she becomes a nuisance, she can be told to sod off. The most foolish thing is to become a sperm donor and provider to HER children. I get off my bike and walk up hills or into the library, so I just wear fairly stiffsoled street shoes. The thing I learned about recumbents in those half-dozen rides is encapsulated in something truly shiver- making that Tom Sherman said when he mentioned riders "trained" for riding recumbents. I don't fancy retraining for cycling, an activity I consider should be fun rather than a socially acceptable form of sado- masochism. Injury type pain is no fun. Hammering until one is exhausted is fun. As always, your mileage may vary. My mileage defintely varies. Downwards. I am not tempted to race Nick up an Alpine mountain! Thanks for sharing your expertise, Pete. Pete. Andre Jute Man is an upright ape for compelling reasons I like having my feet higher that what I am sitting on. My ideal bicycle has the bottom bracket about 25 cm above seat height. I don't mind my feet higher than my seat when I'm watching a movie. It's when I'm watching a woman who till last year drove a 2CV, and that not very well, bear down on me in a Range Rover that's more in control of her than she of it, that I starting hoping that St Peter remembers I'm a Calvinist with a reserved place. So the SUV plague has also infested Ireland? -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia "And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people." - A. Derleth Andre Jute By definition you can't be paranoid if you're a cyclist. Millions of people in automobiles are out to get you. The true psychopaths are rare. The inept herd predominates. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia "And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people." - A. Derleth |
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"Andre Jute" wrote in message ... [...] I don't think I'll ever use them, but they are certainly a lot more user-friendly than some other kinds of foot-restraint. This brings us to another reason I don't expect a cycling revival. It is that cyclists have painted themselves into a corner of insane exclusivity, and not a desirable exclusivity at all. They have done this by special postures and special clothes and making spoken and unspoken demands that theirs be recognized as the only way which the general public will not wear and have no intention of adopting themselves. Cyclists and their activity would have to be much, much more attractive to Jo- Anne Public for her to join in or to be happy when her husband joins in. (Those who think the previous sentence is strangely formed have not understood that we live in a matriarchy; that explains why they can't get a woman and also why they are cyclists.) Andre, you are one of a kind nutcase. I am your typical recumbent cyclist and I don't give a good god damn what anyone thinks of me, either on or off a bicycle. Please tell us how you ever got so screwed up? By the way, screw women - and that is mostly all they are good for anyway. What are you, a man or a mouse? [...] Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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